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Hello
Please guide me,I submitted my application on March 25 TG and got my Medicals passed on 1st April l,I got email from cic at 6:30 am in the morning and status of Medicals changed at around 12:00 pm.At 6:30 pm in Eve I got an additional doc request, schedule A.

Now my question is that they request additional doc after going through complete application or can they ask for more documents also??
Thanks in advance.
 
Read this post and you will have your answers. But to answer simply, most likely your application is at the R10 stage and they found a gap in your timeline which they would like to verify. This is why they have sent you the Schedule A request. If your application has everything, no more documents will be asked, but there can be a request for more documents, which will depend on what information the CIC is looking for. Some applicants get document request until very end for Schedule A for spouse, or other details as the need arises.


As per the trends, your eligibility is cleared within the first 5 months and then what is left is the security and criminality. This is for the FSW (outland). For the inland applicants, the process is different, their BGC goes in progress within a few days after they receive the AoR. So its is difficult to predict if it is just a technical issue, or the BGC is initiated sooner in the application.

The anatomy of an standard application is as follows:

1. Enter the EE pool.

2. Receive the ITA.

3. File application and supporting documents.

4. AoR - Automatically acknowledged, usually on the same day as submission.

5. The first step is to check for completeness. This usually triggers the application review "IN PROGRESS." This is done at the Centralized Intake Office (CIO).

6. Next stage is the R10 review. This is the first stringent check of the application against the EE profile you created. The Regulation 10 of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations imposes a strict liability on the applicants to account for all documents uploaded, satisfy what was stated in the EE profile, and ensure that there are no gaps. If you do not provide the documents or they are filed incorrectly, your application can be rejected due to the strict liability on the applicant under this regulation. However, a lot depends on the agent reviewing the file. Under the R 10 review your IELTS, ECA are checked against the websites to ascertain that there is no misrepresentation. (R10 review is done within the 1-3 months of filing the application). If an applicant's age has changed from EE profile to ITA, then the same is recorded and his score is affected. This is also done at the CIO level. Most of the applications are rejected here.

7. At the R10 review if you have any documents missing, the application is rejected, or more time is given to file the document if there is a Letter of Explanation (LoE). It largely depends on the agent reviewing it. Some are brutal and will reject the application even for a minor error.

8. Usually by this stage the medicals are also passed. Recently some applicants received request to re-access their medicals when the file reached the Local Visa Office (LVO). I have a theory for this, but in most cases, once the medicals are passed, they are good until the final review stage. The applicants who received a re-assesment for the medicals could be because of two reasons:
a. The doctor or the facility which examined them had a complaint against it, or the CIC found something fishy about how things were being conducted there; or
b. The medicals did not disclose the required parameters, or the applicant had an underlying medical issue, which the CIC wanted to get re-assessed.

8. Now the next stage is to determine eligibility, i.e. whether the application meets the program prerequisites under which it is filed. For FSW, your experience, letters of reference, education, etc are in order. For the PNP, FSW and your nomination is present, for CEC, your Canadian experience is on file. And, so on so forth for the other categories. The objective here is to review whether you meet the program threshold and what you claim is correct. If there is any suspicion, or things don't sound good, the agent can send you application for further review. Which includes an interview, extra doc request etc. If the applicant meets the requirements, and his score is over the cut off for the ITA she received, his eligibility is passed. If there are issues, they will be addressed. This usually happens at the LVO. This stage happens when the application is usually 4-5 months into the process. At this stage, if the eligibility is met, the chances of refusal considerably go down, unless there is a criminal history. However, if your score goes down due to CIC not acknowledging your experience, NOC and reference letters not matching, or a change in age, the application is rejected.

9. As soon as the eligibility is met, next comes the security and criminality (or background check). Usually the criminality is met through the Police Clearance Certificates (PCC) uploaded with the application. If the applicant has been to a country which is suspicious, or your travel history does show frequent visits to a country without any explanation, the same are recorded and evaluated. If things look good, your criminality is passed. A lot of applicants receive a request for Schedule A at this stage to ensure no gap time is present and the history is clear.

10. The last and the final stage is the security. This is a serious & time-consuming stage, involving many agencies, including Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS), International Police (INTERPOL), Criminal Database Checking & touch-base with Local Police. Many things are considered here. Number of countries visited, Applicant coming from 'certain' countries, past law enforcement or military record, Prolonged stay in a country w/out sufficient docs to prove cause, frequent traveling to certain nations, your *Name (?), Inter-Religion/Nationality Marriages etc. If everything is simple & straight, the file soon gets into the 'final review' stage. If there are any 'red flags', the case goes into a 'spin'. Then the file might go to the local Police/intelligence agencies; the outcome/timeframe of which is beyond the control of CIC. And thereby the timeframe can be anything [sometimes beyond 1yr]. But, usually this stage should be over within 1-2 months. However, a point to be noted is that the applicant can also be called for an Interview [at this stage], due to this reason. For some people the security has a quick turn around. But in the last two weeks a lot of applicants are stuck at this stage.

11. At the final review, when the security results come in, the PPR is issued.

Now, this is NO way is a generalization of the process. Some applications are processed much faster, some are slow. This is what I could gather from my GCMS notes, my experience with dealing with the immigration authorities in US on behalf of my clients and my personal application which is still in progress.

This is only for information to provide a picture about the process, but CIC has never disclosed their processing procedure. However, looking into some immigration cases, and the information through the GCMS notes available on the forum, this is the best generalization I could come up with. Albeit, for some applicants the criminality is done before the eligibility is checked, for other after. So please don't debate as to how one case you saw was different from what I have stated.

This is just an overview. If you do not find it appealing, just ignore it. If it was up to me, I would process all applications much faster.

But, this is a long wait and probably the most important decision you will make in your life. Be optimistic, helpful and supportive of others. This forum is an excellent resource for many, so even when you receive your PPR, please hang on for a few more months and update your timelines and answer any questions other applicants may have. Don't be a parasite.
 
Susheem said:
Hello
Please guide me,I submitted my application on March 25 TG and got my Medicals passed on 1st April l,I got email from cic at 6:30 am in the morning and status of Medicals changed at around 12:00 pm.At 6:30 pm in Eve I got an additional doc request, schedule A.

Now my question is that they request additional doc after going through complete application or can they ask for more documents also??
Thanks in advance.

Its quite normal for them to request an additional document at the this stage.
My advice is that you fill out the schedule A form and return it asap
If your application is sent to your local visa office for background checks, they may request additional documents too
I hope this helps.
 
My EE application is in process for 5 months and 25 days. I was just requested additional documents a week ago(updated CV and list of dissertations/publications). Any idea what this means?
 
Hi,

I am in the same situation. Have no clue about what does that even mean.

-----
Category: FSW Inlander -- NOC 9241
January 25, 2016 -- AOR Received
June 21, 2016 -- Application Refused -- Reason: Certificate of Competency
June 22, 2016 -- CSE Submitted
June 24, 2016 -- Verified the C.O.Q. with the provincial legislative body on trades and certifications -- Result: OK
June 27, 2016 -- Application Reopened
June 28, 2016 -- Request for Additional Documents - C.V.
 
legalfalcon said:
Read this post and you will have your answers. But to answer simply, most likely your application is at the R10 stage and they found a gap in your timeline which they would like to verify. This is why they have sent you the Schedule A request. If your application has everything, no more documents will be asked, but there can be a request for more documents, which will depend on what information the CIC is looking for. Some applicants get document request until very end for Schedule A for spouse, or other details as the need arises.


As per the trends, your eligibility is cleared within the first 5 months and then what is left is the security and criminality. This is for the FSW (outland). For the inland applicants, the process is different, their BGC goes in progress within a few days after they receive the AoR. So its is difficult to predict if it is just a technical issue, or the BGC is initiated sooner in the application.

The anatomy of an standard application is as follows:

1. Enter the EE pool.

2. Receive the ITA.

3. File application and supporting documents.

4. AoR - Automatically acknowledged, usually on the same day as submission.

5. The first step is to check for completeness. This usually triggers the application review "IN PROGRESS." This is done at the Centralized Intake Office (CIO).

6. Next stage is the R10 review. This is the first stringent check of the application against the EE profile you created. The Regulation 10 of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations imposes a strict liability on the applicants to account for all documents uploaded, satisfy what was stated in the EE profile, and ensure that there are no gaps. If you do not provide the documents or they are filed incorrectly, your application can be rejected due to the strict liability on the applicant under this regulation. However, a lot depends on the agent reviewing the file. Under the R 10 review your IELTS, ECA are checked against the websites to ascertain that there is no misrepresentation. (R10 review is done within the 1-3 months of filing the application). If an applicant's age has changed from EE profile to ITA, then the same is recorded and his score is affected. This is also done at the CIO level. Most of the applications are rejected here.

7. At the R10 review if you have any documents missing, the application is rejected, or more time is given to file the document if there is a Letter of Explanation (LoE). It largely depends on the agent reviewing it. Some are brutal and will reject the application even for a minor error.

8. Usually by this stage the medicals are also passed. Recently some applicants received request to re-access their medicals when the file reached the Local Visa Office (LVO). I have a theory for this, but in most cases, once the medicals are passed, they are good until the final review stage. The applicants who received a re-assesment for the medicals could be because of two reasons:
a. The doctor or the facility which examined them had a complaint against it, or the CIC found something fishy about how things were being conducted there; or
b. The medicals did not disclose the required parameters, or the applicant had an underlying medical issue, which the CIC wanted to get re-assessed.

8. Now the next stage is to determine eligibility, i.e. whether the application meets the program prerequisites under which it is filed. For FSW, your experience, letters of reference, education, etc are in order. For the PNP, FSW and your nomination is present, for CEC, your Canadian experience is on file. And, so on so forth for the other categories. The objective here is to review whether you meet the program threshold and what you claim is correct. If there is any suspicion, or things don't sound good, the agent can send you application for further review. Which includes an interview, extra doc request etc. If the applicant meets the requirements, and his score is over the cut off for the ITA she received, his eligibility is passed. If there are issues, they will be addressed. This usually happens at the LVO. This stage happens when the application is usually 4-5 months into the process. At this stage, if the eligibility is met, the chances of refusal considerably go down, unless there is a criminal history. However, if your score goes down due to CIC not acknowledging your experience, NOC and reference letters not matching, or a change in age, the application is rejected.

9. As soon as the eligibility is met, next comes the security and criminality (or background check). Usually the criminality is met through the Police Clearance Certificates (PCC) uploaded with the application. If the applicant has been to a country which is suspicious, or your travel history does show frequent visits to a country without any explanation, the same are recorded and evaluated. If things look good, your criminality is passed. A lot of applicants receive a request for Schedule A at this stage to ensure no gap time is present and the history is clear.

10. The last and the final stage is the security. This is a serious & time-consuming stage, involving many agencies, including Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS), International Police (INTERPOL), Criminal Database Checking & touch-base with Local Police. Many things are considered here. Number of countries visited, Applicant coming from 'certain' countries, past law enforcement or military record, Prolonged stay in a country w/out sufficient docs to prove cause, frequent traveling to certain nations, your *Name (?), Inter-Religion/Nationality Marriages etc. If everything is simple & straight, the file soon gets into the 'final review' stage. If there are any 'red flags', the case goes into a 'spin'. Then the file might go to the local Police/intelligence agencies; the outcome/timeframe of which is beyond the control of CIC. And thereby the timeframe can be anything [sometimes beyond 1yr]. But, usually this stage should be over within 1-2 months. However, a point to be noted is that the applicant can also be called for an Interview [at this stage], due to this reason. For some people the security has a quick turn around. But in the last two weeks a lot of applicants are stuck at this stage.

11. At the final review, when the security results come in, the PPR is issued.

Now, this is NO way is a generalization of the process. Some applications are processed much faster, some are slow. This is what I could gather from my GCMS notes, my experience with dealing with the immigration authorities in US on behalf of my clients and my personal application which is still in progress.

This is only for information to provide a picture about the process, but CIC has never disclosed their processing procedure. However, looking into some immigration cases, and the information through the GCMS notes available on the forum, this is the best generalization I could come up with. Albeit, for some applicants the criminality is done before the eligibility is checked, for other after. So please don't debate as to how one case you saw was different from what I have stated.

This is just an overview. If you do not find it appealing, just ignore it. If it was up to me, I would process all applications much faster.

But, this is a long wait and probably the most important decision you will make in your life. Be optimistic, helpful and supportive of others. This forum is an excellent resource for many, so even when you receive your PPR, please hang on for a few more months and update your timelines and answer any questions other applicants may have. Don't be a parasite.

Hi legalfalcon,

This is really helpful to understand entire procedure. Thank you for this.


I received email from CIC please see below.

RPRF: Pay the Right of Permanent Residence fee. Please submit a RPRF payment of 490.00 into our office. This must be received at this office by: 2016/11/12

I have already paid, I will attach a receipt.


Schedule A: A separate and newly completed Schedule A Background Declaration form (IMM 5669) bearing an original signature. Please submit an UPDATED NEW Schedule A with details for Address History from July 2008-Aug 2009. This must be received at this office by: 2016/11/12

I found out there was an error for year in the original submitted attachment , I will revise the attachment. they found out there is a gap which was actually typo. Do you think I need to send an explanation letter as well to explain it was an error?

Police Certificate: From each country/state where the residence period has been six months or longer since the age of 18, provide an original police clearance certificate. Please submit an UPDATED ORIIGNAL police certificate from Korea. Police certificates must indicate that all records have been searched, including any lapsed records. PHOTOCOPIES ARE NOT ACCEPTED. This must be received at this office by: 2016/11/12

I have questions on this. I have provided a police check and traffic history from Australia as I have lived there for 2 years, should I submit this again? (it will take few weeks) whatever document they want me to submit, they indicated "Please submit an UPDATED ORIIGNAL ~~~~" it that mean I can only submit ORIIGNAL police certificate from Korea? they give me 60 days to submit and of course it does not take 6p days to receive police certificate from Australia but you know....just so worried.....


Hopefully nothing going wrong I am so stressed out for these additional document request. Please help. :(
 
Please help I nominated from Saskatchewan, received ITA and apply for PR. My file is in the process and I received additional information request

From your prospective employer in Canada:
o The title and salary of the position for which you are being hired, and for which your
Saskatchewan Provincial Nomination was issued;
o A copy of your prospective employer’s Corporate Notice of Assessment (issued by the Canada
Revenue Agency) for 2015;
o A copy of your prospective employer’s Corporate income Tax Return (T2 forms) for 2015;
o A copy of your prospective employer’s Corporate Payroll Remittance statement (PD7A form)
for 2015;
o A copy of your prospective employer’s Corporate Summary of Remuneration (T4 forms) for 2015.

but I have not have prospective employer and nobody gave me any Corporate Notice of Assessment
what they want and what to do?
 
Hi guys

Please help guys. This is urgent. I am given 7 day deadline!

I have received a request for replacement document for my police certificate from Iran. I originally had put 3 documents in a pdf file as they instructed:

document 1: color scan of original police certificate
document 2: translation and affidavi
document 3: a photocopy certified by the translator. The photocopy was black and white but the certification stamps were in color

The message they sent me says this:

Police Certificate: Our records indicate you have uploaded an altered copy of the Police
Certificate from IRAN. Please provide an original, unaltered scan of the Police Certificate from
IRAN.


I already had the original color scan in the file uploaded. What do you think I should do?
 
Hi guys

Please help guys. This is urgent. I am given 7 day deadline!

I have received a request for replacement document for my police certificate from Iran. I originally had put 3 documents in a pdf file as they instructed:

document 1: color scan of original police certificate
document 2: translation and affidavi
document 3: a photocopy certified by the translator. The photocopy was black and white but the certification stamps were in color

The message they sent me says this:

Police Certificate: Our records indicate you have uploaded an altered copy of the Police
Certificate from IRAN. Please provide an original, unaltered scan of the Police Certificate from
IRAN.


I already had the original color scan in the file uploaded. What do you think I should do?
Did you really alter it last time? Your answer to this question will decide what you have to do next.
 
Did you really alter it last time? Your answer to this question will decide what you have to do next.

I have not altered anything. As I said I made a color scan of it and put in pdf. Also, the translator made a black and white photocopy of it, stamped it to be certified and I put that one in my pdf as well.

I suspect the officer might not have seen the first one and thought I only included the certified photocopy which according to their instructions is not accepted. But, that said I wonder if they could possibly be that careless because I put the color scan right at the beginning made a clear title for each and created a table of content as following:


Contents

Color scan of original police certificate in Persian. 2

Certified English translation of Iran’s police certificate. 3

 
My online tracking Id status has been changed from ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTS REQUEST to PASSPORT HAS BEEN COURIER, WHAT THIS INDICATES?
 
Hello friends.

My AOR is 31 Aug 2018. CIC sent me an email/letter on 22 Feb 2019 requesting for additional documents, which I discovered only today. Problem is they gave me deadline for submission until 28 Feb 2019, failing of which the letter says - "If we do not receive the information/documents within 7 days (i.e. by 28 feb 2019), your application will be assessed based on the information we have on file, meaning your application could be refused as incomplete."

Clearly I have missed the deadline. I want to know that if I submit now the requested additional docs (which I am going to in a couple of days), is there still a way to save my application from being rejected?

Please let me know a way to fix this problem. Any help/advice/suggestion is most welcome and appreciated.

Thanks
 
Hi guys I also received an ADR... They are requesting for pay slip and bank statements during the assessment period. Does this mean after I submitted the application or the period of employment I indicated in my application?
Thanks
 
Hi guys I also received an ADR... They are requesting for pay slip and bank statements during the assessment period. Does this mean after I submitted the application or the period of employment I indicated in my application?
Thanks
Submit for period of employment you mentioned in your application.
 
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