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txlonghorn

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There is covert racism in Canada for sure. It's usually hidden behind a smile.

Canada is a colored mosaic.

Racism is hidden on the pretext of 'preference'.

People in the small towns are very nice.

What I said about covert racism applies to the big towns. But $ is a great leveler, and one can stay immune to this racism here.
Pretty surprising, would have assumed the opposite. Don't people in smaller towns have less exposure to immigrants + a higher likelihood of leaning right?

Is racism generally tied up in skin color or immigrant behavior? Would an immigrant with education, social & language skills be subject to more or less racism as one without?

Does this play into hiring practices, social interactions or other situations? Would love some honest answers.
 
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Pretty surprising, would have assumed the opposite. Don't people in smaller towns have less exposure to immigrants + a higher likelihood of leaning right?

Is racism generally tied up in skin color or immigrant behavior? Would an immigrant with education, social & language skills be subject to more or less racism as one without?

Does this play into hiring practices, social interactions or other situations? Would love some honest answers.
I will try my best to keep this smooth. Topics around race are difficult.

We tend to blame immigrant behavior for this, but I don't think it is to blame. With high barriers to entry, at least since the last 20-25 years, immigrants here are of good quality regardless of what work they do after coming in.

My cousins are second generation canadians and they acknowledge the covert racism here. It doesn't mean you won't have friends. It just means that the likelihood of inter racial friendships is not very common. People are generally tolerant, but that's different from being free of prejudice. That said, if you are from a cool major like medicine or law, or one where there is an incentive for being friends with, then one's skin color doesn't matter. Same is the case for people working in those high paying, elite industries(eg. on Bay Street here aka Canadian Wallstreet). There are some South Asian CEO's.

I was in a diverse classroom, and in the end I saw people giving up and they kind of stuck to their own. Just a small example. I am sure many newbies tried to, and it didn't work out. I am not talking about dating but just basic friendships here.

As far as hiring practices go, if it is a skilled job I don't think it matters. If there is a hiring preference, they rely on surnames to weed people out. You may find this interesting: https://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/minorities-who-whiten-job-resumes-get-more-interviews

There is systemic racism too. Not as bad as the incidents one sees in the U.S, but there is for sure.

Going back to the small town thing, yes, even I was surprised, they are very nice and welcoming. I know that's different compared to the US, and the EU. As far as politics goes, Western Canada is historically red.

FYI, I have more American friends than Canadians. Some are from red states. I think there, people want to know you and then decide whether to talk or not. So they give you a chance. Here, race can be a starter, or a non-starter. It could just be my opinion based on my experience. I could be wrong. You have lived there longer.

Since you are moving here, I would say actively look out to socialize with people of your own community first. And then build on that. If you belong to that club on the top, then even better.

The bottom line is the $ though. Even if one doesn't fit in anywhere, the money will help.
 

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No, international students did not get any financial assistance. They were working on the frontlines risking everything.

CESB was only for citizens and PR's.

Canada only let temporary visa holders in if they held a job. They put pressure on the airline staff to impose these rules even though the website said otherwise. Airline staff were whatsapping embassy staff at the gate to decide who flies in. They didn't care what the government website said.(sort of a shadow policy).

Airline blamed the government, the government blames the airline.

The NDP is keeping the liberals in check. Its a minority government right now.

Otherwise I wouldn't be surprised if they followed Australia. Sad to hear they did this, are the conservatives in power there ?
Unfortunately, both Australian parties are centre-left and centre-right. So they don’t differ much in policies which tends to be a bit right-wing anyway.
International students are viewed as cash cows.
For whatever reason, not only the general population, but even the recent immigrants who have become permanent residents mostly oppose higher level of immigration.
 
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txlonghorn

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but even the recent immigrants who have become permanent residents mostly oppose higher level of immigration.
In the US, this seems to do less with politics and more with how much immigration is going to affect your own standard of living. People in high-paying cushy jobs - or close to retirement - don't seem to care as much.

There's a Chinese story about a city bus that's running packed. A man begs the driver to let him on, and then turns around to another man trying to get on behind him and says 'Get off. This bus is full'.
 
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I will try my best to keep this smooth. Topics around race are difficult.
Thanks for taking a crack at this - a lot of good information here. Slightly disappointing but be it dating or friendships, I guess everyone is entitled to their choices. Wish it wasn't race that was the factor but looking at this dispassionately (i.e as just another characteristic like height, weight or looks) helps. Definitely surprising though since the assumption here is Canada is more welcoming, less racist and more liberal/immigrant-friendly in general.
 

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Thanks for taking a crack at this - a lot of good information here. Slightly disappointing but be it dating or friendships, I guess everyone is entitled to their choices. Wish it wasn't race that was the factor but looking at this dispassionately (i.e as just another characteristic like height, weight or looks) helps. Definitely surprising though since the assumption here is Canada is more welcoming, less racist and more liberal/immigrant-friendly in general.
Yes, no one owes anyone anything. It's hard to take a stand on that one.

But basing it on race, including any other optical characteristic is just rough and unfair on another person.

It's what's on the inside that should matter.
 
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Thanks for taking a crack at this - a lot of good information here. Slightly disappointing but be it dating or friendships, I guess everyone is entitled to their choices. Wish it wasn't race that was the factor but looking at this dispassionately (i.e as just another characteristic like height, weight or looks) helps. Definitely surprising though since the assumption here is Canada is more welcoming, less racist and more liberal/immigrant-friendly in general.
I remember that Wimbledon final(Federer vs Djokovic)where the crowd was very rough on Djokovic.

It was not because Roger is greater or anything.

It was for other reasons.
 

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The Australian media in last few years have been critical of govt for congestion in major cities citing mass immigration as the key driver.

Since then govt changed the legislation by replacing a word from “yearly immigration target” to “yearly immigration cap”. This way without introducing a new bill in parliament the govt brought down yearly immigration considerably. Also directed the states to mostly sponsor inland applicants.

Now outlanders are out of the race.
 
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here is the most related/recent news about border restrictions:
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/vaccine-and-case-counts-will-determine-when-border-opens-says-trudeau-1.5344805

now the main question is:
Will they wait until border reopen to continue general draws, or they will do it before border reopen because the whole PR process might take about 10-12 months, so there is no need to wait until border reopen
IMO, Canada needs skilled workers from abroad. Although CEC applicants can be PR sooner than outlands, but skilled workers could be more effective in terms of economic recovery post covid. Just look at the score distribution. FSW skilled workers take up much of the space in the pool for scores above 460. The more you have score the better you are for the economy. My guess is IRCC will start all program draws this summer to meet immigration target of next year and also to help economic recovery post pandemic.
 
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