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Ray of Hope - 114th Draw

SeniorStakes

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I don't know what was the reason cic did draw on Jan30, I think because of this draw the score has gone up otherwise score would have been between 445 - 452.
Exactly! There was no reason to do a one-week draw in the beginning of the year, especially when a similar draw had already taken place in late December.

Had they not done so, CRS cut-off would have been between 445 and 450 these days. There is clear evidence that 451+ applications are not large enough to occupy all 3350 spots but the backlog is what is keeping cut-off above 450.

Anyhow, good for those who got through back then :)
 

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Exactly! There was no reason to do a one-week draw in the beginning of the year, especially when a similar draw had already taken place in late December.

Had they not done so, CRS cut-off would have been between 445 and 450 these days. There is clear evidence that 451+ applications are not large enough to occupy all 3350 spots but the backlog is what is keeping cut-off above 450.

Anyhow, good for those who got through back then :)
No offense to anyone, but this setup has destroyed my hope, I was sitting on 448 hoping to get ITA (i have no margin now, as I have already on clb10)
Don't know, if the score will ever slip below 445
 

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I agree and understand that every system becomes stable, in terms of accuracy, after a certain period of time. However, it is unlikely that it becomes stable abruptly, what I mean is that there should be a trend. For example, in 2017, 120.5% ITAs were issued and in 2018, they were119.9 %. It is, therefore, less likely to expect only 4-5 % extra ITAs in 2019.

What I was trying to say is that I have seen people, in the same thread, even with more than 447 points are getting panicked and thinking of another IELTS not because they are losing points soon but they are afraid whether they will get an ITA.

CIC knows the exact position of all the candidates and, even though, they will not let us know our exact rank in the pool. This is all about business and, I think, the key factor which is controlling the borderline score, which makes difference, is language test and candidates always think that they can further increase their score, which is a trap.

These language testing organizations will always be against to display the exact rank of a candidate. Furthermore, many candidates apply through immigration agents who again make money through fabricating things in a complicated manner.

Anyway, that is my opinion.

Cheers,
Suraj
Ok
1. And yes you can see the trend of learning curve and stabilization between 2016 and 2018.
At the end of 2016 they started to gradually increase ITA as they were running out of old paper applications.
However they went a bit overboard with it in the first half of 2017 and they had to slow down in the second half (most likely they went according old statistics data from first 2 years, where the waste rate of ITA might have been rather high.
However from that on you can see more or less stable trend with minor corrections in 2018 (ITAs were more or less spread out all over the year with slow increase close to the end of the year.

2. Influence of PNP.
Also PNP were not increased that significantly in the targets as such, more significant change was happening when it comes to ratio of paper applications and EE PNP.
Just for comparison, first year (2015) only 7% of all PNP went through EE. While in 2017 it was already around 25% with more increase in 2018.
So while the maturity of the system was pushing waste ITA down, EE PNP were pulling total amount of ITA up.
So that is second reason why such trend is still not very visible (at least not for us).

3. CIC Conspiration.
CIC does not really care about current CRS level for ITA. Why? Because regulation of the points as such does not give any targeted results. (you can have one person with just 1 year of work experience and a Bachelor degree, but because he studied and work that year in Canada, he will be on par with somebody who has Master and 3 years of work experience, but none from Canada).
So for what they care are minimum requirements (language, 1 year work experience and a high school). And as long as that is met all is good (of course with 67 points and ITA CRS).
Culprit of the increasing CRS requirement is actually competition. That and general knowledge of the system.
Because the more people compete, the higher statistical probability that they will have CRS of certain level.
And the more people understand how points work, the more of them is able to get more points (hello transferability points).

5. As for panicking. I have seen opposite behavior here. I have seen people with 435 points waiting for CRS to come down in 2018. I have seen some that wasted NOI from Ontario.
So I would not consider booking additional IELTS test as panicking (and no I do not work for British institute or something like that. I even consider that language test perfection as kind of silly, however that is the way to lot of points).
It is more about priorities. For those that immigrating is the most important thing, it is obvious, that they will spend lot of effort to get there. If for others, this is just an option, it is up to them to draw the line how much do they want to invest and see if they make it or not.
 

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Ok
1. And yes you can see the trend of learning curve and stabilization between 2016 and 2018.
At the end of 2016 they started to gradually increase ITA as they were running out of old paper applications.
However they went a bit overboard with it in the first half of 2017 and they had to slow down in the second half (most likely they went according old statistics data from first 2 years, where the waste rate of ITA might have been rather high.
However from that on you can see more or less stable trend with minor corrections in 2018 (ITAs were more or less spread out all over the year with slow increase close to the end of the year.

2. Influence of PNP.
Also PNP were not increased that significantly in the targets as such, more significant change was happening when it comes to ratio of paper applications and EE PNP.
Just for comparison, first year (2015) only 7% of all PNP went through EE. While in 2017 it was already around 25% with more increase in 2018.
So while the maturity of the system was pushing waste ITA down, EE PNP were pulling total amount of ITA up.
So that is second reason why such trend is still not very visible (at least not for us).

3. CIC Conspiration.
CIC does not really care about current CRS level for ITA. Why? Because regulation of the points as such does not give any targeted results. (you can have one person with just 1 year of work experience and a Bachelor degree, but because he studied and work that year in Canada, he will be on par with somebody who has Master and 3 years of work experience, but none from Canada).
So for what they care are minimum requirements (language, 1 year work experience and a high school). And as long as that is met all is good (of course with 67 points and ITA CRS).
Culprit of the increasing CRS requirement is actually competition. That and general knowledge of the system.
Because the more people compete, the higher statistical probability that they will have CRS of certain level.
And the more people understand how points work, the more of them is able to get more points (hello transferability points).

5. As for panicking. I have seen opposite behavior here. I have seen people with 435 points waiting for CRS to come down in 2018. I have seen some that wasted NOI from Ontario.
So I would not consider booking additional IELTS test as panicking (and no I do not work for British institute or something like that. I even consider that language test perfection as kind of silly, however that is the way to lot of points).
It is more about priorities. For those that immigrating is the most important thing, it is obvious, that they will spend lot of effort to get there. If for others, this is just an option, it is up to them to draw the line how much do they want to invest and see if they make it or not.
There cant be a better explanation than this !
 

SeniorStakes

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Ok
1. And yes you can see the trend of learning curve and stabilization between 2016 and 2018.
At the end of 2016 they started to gradually increase ITA as they were running out of old paper applications.
However they went a bit overboard with it in the first half of 2017 and they had to slow down in the second half (most likely they went according old statistics data from first 2 years, where the waste rate of ITA might have been rather high.
However from that on you can see more or less stable trend with minor corrections in 2018 (ITAs were more or less spread out all over the year with slow increase close to the end of the year.

2. Influence of PNP.
Also PNP were not increased that significantly in the targets as such, more significant change was happening when it comes to ratio of paper applications and EE PNP.
Just for comparison, first year (2015) only 7% of all PNP went through EE. While in 2017 it was already around 25% with more increase in 2018.
So while the maturity of the system was pushing waste ITA down, EE PNP were pulling total amount of ITA up.
So that is second reason why such trend is still not very visible (at least not for us).

3. CIC Conspiration.
CIC does not really care about current CRS level for ITA. Why? Because regulation of the points as such does not give any targeted results. (you can have one person with just 1 year of work experience and a Bachelor degree, but because he studied and work that year in Canada, he will be on par with somebody who has Master and 3 years of work experience, but none from Canada).
So for what they care are minimum requirements (language, 1 year work experience and a high school). And as long as that is met all is good (of course with 67 points and ITA CRS).
Culprit of the increasing CRS requirement is actually competition. That and general knowledge of the system.
Because the more people compete, the higher statistical probability that they will have CRS of certain level.
And the more people understand how points work, the more of them is able to get more points (hello transferability points).

5. As for panicking. I have seen opposite behavior here. I have seen people with 435 points waiting for CRS to come down in 2018. I have seen some that wasted NOI from Ontario.
So I would not consider booking additional IELTS test as panicking (and no I do not work for British institute or something like that. I even consider that language test perfection as kind of silly, however that is the way to lot of points).
It is more about priorities. For those that immigrating is the most important thing, it is obvious, that they will spend lot of effort to get there. If for others, this is just an option, it is up to them to draw the line how much do they want to invest and see if they make it or not.
True, losing by a point is much more painful than losing by a significant margin. No offense to those in early 440s.. if I were in their club, I would not have pressed the anxiety (not panic) button either. It's human psychology :)... One tends to feel anxious towards the finish line, not when 500 meters away.

I wish this system gets the desired results for everyone who is trying.
 

skg1988

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Ok
1. And yes you can see the trend of learning curve and stabilization between 2016 and 2018.
At the end of 2016 they started to gradually increase ITA as they were running out of old paper applications.
However they went a bit overboard with it in the first half of 2017 and they had to slow down in the second half (most likely they went according old statistics data from first 2 years, where the waste rate of ITA might have been rather high.
However from that on you can see more or less stable trend with minor corrections in 2018 (ITAs were more or less spread out all over the year with slow increase close to the end of the year.

2. Influence of PNP.
Also PNP were not increased that significantly in the targets as such, more significant change was happening when it comes to ratio of paper applications and EE PNP.
Just for comparison, first year (2015) only 7% of all PNP went through EE. While in 2017 it was already around 25% with more increase in 2018.
So while the maturity of the system was pushing waste ITA down, EE PNP were pulling total amount of ITA up.
So that is second reason why such trend is still not very visible (at least not for us).

3. CIC Conspiration.
CIC does not really care about current CRS level for ITA. Why? Because regulation of the points as such does not give any targeted results. (you can have one person with just 1 year of work experience and a Bachelor degree, but because he studied and work that year in Canada, he will be on par with somebody who has Master and 3 years of work experience, but none from Canada).
So for what they care are minimum requirements (language, 1 year work experience and a high school). And as long as that is met all is good (of course with 67 points and ITA CRS).
Culprit of the increasing CRS requirement is actually competition. That and general knowledge of the system.
Because the more people compete, the higher statistical probability that they will have CRS of certain level.
And the more people understand how points work, the more of them is able to get more points (hello transferability points).

5. As for panicking. I have seen opposite behavior here. I have seen people with 435 points waiting for CRS to come down in 2018. I have seen some that wasted NOI from Ontario.
So I would not consider booking additional IELTS test as panicking (and no I do not work for British institute or something like that. I even consider that language test perfection as kind of silly, however that is the way to lot of points).
It is more about priorities. For those that immigrating is the most important thing, it is obvious, that they will spend lot of effort to get there. If for others, this is just an option, it is up to them to draw the line how much do they want to invest and see if they make it or not.
Excelent explanation!! Enjoyed reading this.
Out of curiosity, if cic learned from the past, why they started 2019 with 3900 draws? Besides, they conducted 3 draws in jan, which bothered me a bit as they were aware, although not 100%, about the future scenario.
I am putting down the argument for the time. We are not very far, just a matter of 28-42 days, to witness the reality of cic.
 

skg1988

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True, losing by a point is much more painful than losing by a significant margin. No offense to those in early 440s.. if I were in their club, I would not have pressed the anxiety (not panic) button either. It's human psychology :)... One tends to feel anxious towards the finish line, not when 500 meters away.

I wish this system gets the desired results for everyone who is trying.
I am so sorry, if I offended you. The main argument was whether cic will inceease ITAS or not. I did not mean anything else. Lets put down this argument for some time.
Yor are through in the next draw, good luck and many congratulations in advance, buddy!!!
 

JNS1214

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IS J K CONSULTANCY IS RELIABLE FOR PCC OF USA ?. They are saying that in ten days i will get soft copy of certificate .
 

frew

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I agree and understand that every system becomes stable, in terms of accuracy, after a certain period of time. However, it is unlikely that it becomes stable abruptly, what I mean is that there should be a trend. For example, in 2017, 120.5% ITAs were issued and in 2018, they were119.9 %. It is, therefore, less likely to expect only 4-5 % extra ITAs in 2019.

What I was trying to say is that I have seen people, in the same thread, even with more than 447 points are getting panicked and thinking of another IELTS not because they are losing points soon but they are afraid whether they will get an ITA.

CIC knows the exact position of all the candidates and, even though, they will not let us know our exact rank in the pool. This is all about business and, I think, the key factor which is controlling the borderline score, which makes difference, is language test and candidates always think that they can further increase their score, which is a trap.

These language testing organizations will always be against to display the exact rank of a candidate. Furthermore, many candidates apply through immigration agents who again make money through fabricating things in a complicated manner.

Anyway, that is my opinion.

Cheers,
Suraj
lets hope, after Trump, USA will start its own liberal Express Entry for skilled immigrants... that way the pressure here....
 

jojalex

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Guys the CRS cut off score will be back to 443 in coming 2 to 3 draws. The large entry of 450 applications will reduce . This was one of case . So keep hope. Those in 430 to 442 range try to improve ur scores .
 
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Excelent explanation!! Enjoyed reading this.
Out of curiosity, if cic learned from the past, why they started 2019 with 3900 draws? Besides, they conducted 3 draws in jan, which bothered me a bit as they were aware, although not 100%, about the future scenario.
I am putting down the argument for the time. We are not very far, just a matter of 28-42 days, to witness the reality of cic.
I can offer only my own assumption, that are based on PNP behaviour.

If a province still has some target left close to the end of the year, they tend to issue lot of nominations within short period of time. That way they will hit nomination target. Usually they will overdo it a little bit so after that, there is some gap, before, they will send out more NOI.
So it might be that they had some kind of yearly application target and they were making sure to meet it.
 
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Shaanoh

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are there any chances for 448 to get through before April??
chances are there in 2nd draw of April. But if the draw happens on Apr 3rd. 448 has a slight chance but might be through in Apr 17th. Assuming there is two week draws. But If CIC surprises us with b2b draw 448 should sail through.

Shan
 
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