Thread for Acrra Ghana applicants

[waitingInTO]

OMG! That is absolutely bad advise to stand by saying no to 4d! Back when I came to canada more than 28 years ago, there were no fingerprints done. However, when I applied with my husband's name in 2016, they found my original UCI number and updated my name to reflect my maiden name. Saying no to 4d is further misrepresentation. Just because your face has changed doesn't mean you have changed. Just because your last name changed doesn't you have changed. If you took a trip to France with your mother back when you are kid and after changed your name, how would you answer the question of "have you ever been to France?" Even if you think that is not the reason @Kwamtin now is the time to correct that error about whether you have been denied before. It's one thing if you were a toddler and don't remember that an application was filed on your behalf, but you were old enough to remember and know very well you were denied.

Sorry if I sound harsh, but you are not making your life easier by ignoring the 4d question.

The thing is, I was not even the applicant. I was a dependent and also a minor. I'm only assuming things right now and not sure if that could be a cause. But we've contacted the MPs office and they're trying to contact who's actually handling my file and know exactly what they want us to provide because we have sent more than enough evidence of our marriage. Maybe it hasn't gotten to their office but we have receipts and a copy of who signed for it via DHL. After the MPs secretary gets back to us latest by Friday we will know what's really going on.

Thanks very much again my dear. I have been talking to maybe wife and other immigration expert she since morning. Now they're saying since they did not give me exact reason for being untruthful about the question 4 d, I should still stand on my grounds because there's no document to back that. No fingerprint and, right now I don't know why they're saying I answered untruthful so if they give me evidence that I answered untruthful, then I can explain to them. For all we know they're just playing a smart one on me. Even my face in 16years ago Is very different from now.
Right now I'm going to focus on the marriage evidence because they sent the same email to my wife excluding the untruthful answer they're saying. I feel they want to just scare me

 

[waitingInTO]

@Kwamtin remember too that they have your DNA on file so they can ask you to submit DNA for a test and prove that you are still the person. If you used the same name and demographic info for your mother and half-sister on your application, it's easy for them to connect you to your old ID in their database. I suspect strongly that 4d is what they have an issue with. If someone were to look at the case objectively it looks like you are trying to commit fraud and so that also leads them to believe that your marriage by association is not genuine which is unfortunate.

I would suggest you find a good immigration lawyer (I hope better than the one who's asking you continue the 4d denial). Maybe they may be able to make the case that you shouldn't have been denied the first time as since those times, the black lawyers association successfully argued and won against the cic for requiring only black people to submit DNA requests by default. Also, in the Canadian law even if your step dad was not your biological dad, for all intents and purposes, he was your parent and they caused a break in that relationship when they forced the DNA test. You were your mom's child just like your half sis was and he was looking after both of you as his own.

 

[waitingInTO]

you can also try and argue that if you were indeed trying to commit fraud, you wouldn't have used your mom and half-sibling's information. I am curious: did you use your old birth certificate or a new one? I'm hoping you used the old one 'cos that will help your case. @Kwamtin

 

[waitingInTO]

You are absolutely right, all knowing.

Obviously, there's a large database where they store and pull information from.

More reasona people need to have zero tolerance to errors on their application.

I wish everyone a positive response.

yes oh! @debbiejosh, they have an initiative to connect other government databases to immigration too. e.g. those who leave the country and don't stay here for most of the year will be denied certain benefits that require you to be here more than half the year.

 

[waitingInTO]

Trust me I have already done all I can. Even last week I sent an email to AVO and got the same automatic response the day after " your application is in queue... " I have contacted CIC by phone and my MP and all I got is that my application is in queue to be revised. They can not speed it up since I am still in the promised timeline. Now I am just waiting and see how it will go. Anyways in few weeks we will reach 12months...

Did you tell them at the rate they are going, you doubt they'd be able to make their timeline? that usually gets them

 

[Cutie101]

@Kwamtin remember too that they have your DNA on file so they can ask you to submit DNA for a test and prove that you are still the person. If you used the same name and demographic info for your mother and half-sister on your application, it's easy for them to connect you to your old ID in their database. I suspect strongly that 4d is what they have an issue with. If someone were to look at the case objectively it looks like you are trying to commit fraud and so that also leads them to believe that your marriage by association is not genuine which is unfortunate.

I would suggest you find a good immigration lawyer (I hope better than the one who's asking you continue the 4d denial). Maybe they may be able to make the case that you shouldn't have been denied the first time as since those times, the black lawyers association successfully argued and won against the cic for requiring only black people to submit DNA requests by default. Also, in the Canadian law even if your step dad was not your biological dad, for all intents and purposes, he was your parent and they caused a break in that relationship when they forced the DNA test. You were your mom's child just like your half sis was and he was looking after both of you as his own.

Excellent point you have made.....if I were you @Kwamtin I would copy this word by word as part of your argument in your compassionate speech.

 

[Cutie101]

you can also try and argue that if you were indeed trying to commit fraud, you wouldn't have used your mom and half-sibling's information. I am curious: did you use your old birth certificate or a new one? I'm hoping you used the old one 'cos that will help your case. @Kwamtin

I hope its the same birth certificate and the only thing you changed was just the last name. Please advise????

 

[waitingInTO]

Pls I dont even know what GCMS notes means, pls whats that? Also should I request mine. Lol just curious since I was called for medicals on 27th nov and I did it on 30th nov, and ecas said medicals received after 3 days. ?

hi @Cei325 , from what I've seen Ecas doesn't state that medical has passed. It only says it's been received. Like @Cutie101 said, page 900( or 901 depending on your browser) shows @Ugoswife 's status for both systems after receiving the counterfoil message.

 

[Mylove4God2017]

Hello house i just recieved the below email from AVO yesterday, im confused should i be alarmed. Any advice from you all will be appreciated. Thanks in advance! Read below

I am now completing the assessment of your application for a permanent resident visa. It appears that you may not meet the requirements of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act.

Subsection 12(1) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act states that a foreign national may be selected as a member of the family class on the basis of their relationship as the spouse, common-law partner, child, parent or other prescribed family member of a Canadian citizen or permanent resident.

Section 117(1) (a) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations, 2002 defines who is a member of the family class. A foreign national is a member of the family class if, with respect to a sponsor, the foreign national is the sponsor’s spouse, common-law partner or conjugal partner;

Subsection 4(1) of the regulations, states that, for the purpose of these regulations, no foreign national shall be considered a spouse, a common-law partner or a conjugal partner of a person if the marriage, common-law partnership or conjugal partnership was entered into primarily for the purpose of acquiring any status or privilege under the Act; or is not genuine.



Based on the evidence that you provided I am not satisfied that your marriage is genuine and/or that the primary reason for the marriage is other than for the purpose of you gaining admission to Canada. The photos and telephone and messaging items are of little value in determining an ongoing and bona fide relationship. As a result, for the purpose of the regulations, you may not be considered to be a member of the family class.



You have 30 days from the date of this letter to submit additional information to me. Please ensure that you quote the application number indicated at the top of this letter on any information you submit.



As stated above, you must provide any additional information within thirty days from the date of this letter. If you choose not to respond with additional information an officer will make a decision based on the information presented, which may result in the refusal of your application.

 

[Cosey]

Hello house i just recieved the below email from AVO yesterday, im confused should i be alarmed. Any advice from you all will be appreciated. Thanks in advance! Read below

I am now completing the assessment of your application for a permanent resident visa. It appears that you may not meet the requirements of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act.

Subsection 12(1) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act states that a foreign national may be selected as a member of the family class on the basis of their relationship as the spouse, common-law partner, child, parent or other prescribed family member of a Canadian citizen or permanent resident.

Section 117(1) (a) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations, 2002 defines who is a member of the family class. A foreign national is a member of the family class if, with respect to a sponsor, the foreign national is the sponsor’s spouse, common-law partner or conjugal partner;

Subsection 4(1) of the regulations, states that, for the purpose of these regulations, no foreign national shall be considered a spouse, a common-law partner or a conjugal partner of a person if the marriage, common-law partnership or conjugal partnership was entered into primarily for the purpose of acquiring any status or privilege under the Act; or is not genuine.



Based on the evidence that you provided I am not satisfied that your marriage is genuine and/or that the primary reason for the marriage is other than for the purpose of you gaining admission to Canada. The photos and telephone and messaging items are of little value in determining an ongoing and bona fide relationship. As a result, for the purpose of the regulations, you may not be considered to be a member of the family class.



You have 30 days from the date of this letter to submit additional information to me. Please ensure that you quote the application number indicated at the top of this letter on any information you submit.



As stated above, you must provide any additional information within thirty days from the date of this letter. If you choose not to respond with additional information an officer will make a decision based on the information presented, which may result in the refusal of your application.

Do you have any joint insurance policies? Joint rent lease? Any joint properties? Utility bills in your names? It depends on where you live. You can easily get additional documents to support the application. They did same to me and i quickly organised myself for additional documents. This is a formatted letter they always send to applucants. Dont get panicked and search for additional documents. If you are a ghanaian let me know.

 

[Kwamtin]

you can also try and argue that if you were indeed trying to commit fraud, you wouldn't have used your mom and half-sibling's information. I am curious: did you use your old birth certificate or a new one? I'm hoping you used the old one 'cos that will help your case. @Kwamtin

Hi thanks for all your advice, very helpful. I did not use the same birth cirtificate, and I did not add my half sister because after the DNA we both know we are not related. We thought we were different mom and same father but after DNA everything broke up.
So I used different birth cirtificate, different passport and I have no siblings.
I asked my mom to contact him to get me a copy of the DNA to use as proof of why I changed my surname.

 

[Ugoswife]

Hi thanks for all your advice, very helpful. I did not use the same birth cirtificate, and I did not add my half sister because after the DNA we both know we are not related. We thought we were different mom and same father but after DNA everything broke up.
So I used different birth cirtificate, different passport and I have no siblings.
I asked my mom to contact him to get me a copy of the DNA to use as proof of why I changed my surname.

To be honest, I wished you got some mentoring before filling out those forms. Your case seems genuine but the application you put together is diminishing the integrity of your case. You should have listed them as your siblings because they are your siblings. You just dont have the same father and that is why you didn't make it in the application. If your mother was the one who tried to sponsor you all, you would have made it as well because you all are her children. The new identity documents you used makes it seem like fraud which is sad. To be honest, after gathering your documents and writing your letter, I think you should include the entire state of confusion that led you to fill out the forms in this way and ask for a chance to even re-apply if the situation is beyond remedy so that they don't ban you. Also remember that CIC deals with facts, merely writing a compassionate letter with out strong evidence backing it will be waved aside. Please don't let any lawyers fool you into calling AVO's bluff. They are used to law court scenarios, AVO is not a court and as it stands they have too much on you. Im glad the letter was even more clear than the previous ones we've seen so at least you know where the trouble is coming from.

 

[Ugoswife]

Hello house i just recieved the below email from AVO yesterday, im confused should i be alarmed. Any advice from you all will be appreciated. Thanks in advance! Read below

I am now completing the assessment of your application for a permanent resident visa. It appears that you may not meet the requirements of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act.

Subsection 12(1) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act states that a foreign national may be selected as a member of the family class on the basis of their relationship as the spouse, common-law partner, child, parent or other prescribed family member of a Canadian citizen or permanent resident.

Section 117(1) (a) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations, 2002 defines who is a member of the family class. A foreign national is a member of the family class if, with respect to a sponsor, the foreign national is the sponsor’s spouse, common-law partner or conjugal partner;

Subsection 4(1) of the regulations, states that, for the purpose of these regulations, no foreign national shall be considered a spouse, a common-law partner or a conjugal partner of a person if the marriage, common-law partnership or conjugal partnership was entered into primarily for the purpose of acquiring any status or privilege under the Act; or is not genuine.



Based on the evidence that you provided I am not satisfied that your marriage is genuine and/or that the primary reason for the marriage is other than for the purpose of you gaining admission to Canada. The photos and telephone and messaging items are of little value in determining an ongoing and bona fide relationship. As a result, for the purpose of the regulations, you may not be considered to be a member of the family class.



You have 30 days from the date of this letter to submit additional information to me. Please ensure that you quote the application number indicated at the top of this letter on any information you submit.



As stated above, you must provide any additional information within thirty days from the date of this letter. If you choose not to respond with additional information an officer will make a decision based on the information presented, which may result in the refusal of your application.

Social media posts you or your spouse have made about each other with the comments and like and dates you posted them- shows a public relationship
More and more and more chats phone calls, emails. Do you even have a time you quarreled that is documented somewhere, its part of a normal, healthy relationship, so show them
Affidavit from family members and close friends
Gifts and receipts of gifts exchanged on anniversaries or birthdays
More photos, including those you guys took with your friends or family at different times.
Bank statements, Western Union receipts etc showing monetary exchange.
Shared property? Life insurance?

Like I always advice, don't be in too much of a hurry to respond to them, organisation and quality of evidence matters of quantity. Include a strongly worded cover letter written by you and your spouse explaining how your relationship evolved chronologically, the plans you have made that affect each others lives etc. and listing all the additional evidence you are giving them now.

 

[Kwamtin]

To be honest, I wished you got some mentoring before filling out those forms. Your case seems genuine but the application you put together is diminishing the integrity of your case. You should have listed them as your siblings because they are your siblings. You just dont have the same father and that is why you didn't make it in the application. If your mother was the one who tried to sponsor you all, you would have made it as well because you all are her children. The new identity documents you used makes it seem like fraud which is sad. To be honest, after gathering your documents and writing your letter, I think you should include the entire state of confusion that led you to fill out the forms in this way and ask for a chance to even re-apply if the situation is beyond remedy so that they don't ban you. Also remember that CIC deals with facts, merely writing a compassionate letter with out strong evidence backing it will be waved aside. Please don't let any lawyers fool you into calling AVO's bluff. They are used to law court scenarios, AVO is not a court and as it stands they have too much on you. Im glad the letter was even more clear than the previous ones we've seen so at least you know where the trouble is coming from.[/QUOT
No I don't have siblings because we had different mothers but same dad, that made us half sister and brother. But after the DNA we realize we are not related. So yeah I'm trying to gather my documents together and draft a letter to explain all these. Having a copy of the DNA will be my best proof of why I changed my surname. Thanks once again dear.

 

[Mylove4God2017]

Do you have any joint insurance policies? Joint rent lease? Any joint properties? Utility bills in your names? It depends on where you live. You can easily get additional documents to support the application. They did same to me and i quickly organised myself for additional documents. This is a formatted letter they always send to applucants. Dont get panicked and search for additional documents. If you are a ghanaian let me know.

Ok Ye am a Ghanaian and my wife is the Canadian