Parents and Grandparents Sponsorship 2017

[Rob_TO]

From your own post:

• sponsors living in Canada who declare income from foreign sources on their Canadian tax returns, can use this foreign income to meet the financial requirements for sponsorship.

So it's not about where the incomes come from, it's about whether the sponsor lives in Canada or not.

But it didn't say if a person lives outside of Canada and earn Canadian income and declare, can they sponsor their parents?

You stated: "As for the income, the Canada earned and global earned, money is money, if you report your income to CRA, it's counted" which is completely wrong as global earned money is treated differently than Canada earned, and is only counted when the sponsor physically lives in Canada while it's earned.

 

[Rob_TO]

Thanks all. Ill apply. I am just filling up the forms and figuring out the family size. My child was born 2 months ago so that makes us 3 and then I'm sponsoring my parents. my sister iss dependent to my parenta too. So this makes us a family of 6.
Now should the LICO be met for family of 6 in 2014 2015 2016 or should it be family of 2 in 2014 and 2015(just me and my husband)?

6 for all previous years.

 

[Rob_TO]

We are discussing about the case of our friend haXudon here.

He/She is currently in process to sponsor his/her spouse and he/she was landed in Canada 1.5 year back.

Hi Rob_TO,

when you say "Canadians living outside canada" , Ain't it mean the sponsor has to be PR or Citizen living outside Canada for at least 3 years ? More importantly, if the Sponsor doesn't have SIN number due to he/she being a recent entry to canada , he/she would not be able to obtain the NOA ( leaving the income of Co-Signer aside). Would it mean the Sponsor will become ineligible due to lack of document, not funds?

Sponsor does not need NOAs, if co-signer has them.

 

[Javiya]

Help please

Hi APAK, If you can file TAX for 2014 (irrespective of Income) you will receive an NOA with may be 0 income or anything. That way you will still have 3 NOAs. 2015,2016 & 2017. As your Co-signer meet the LICO requirement, you should be fine. Your problem is just with the NOA paper , not income, so file it and get one.

 

[pie_vancouver]

I don't know what part of "Financial resources must originate from Canadian sources", that is stated multiple times in the manual i linked to previous, you don't understand.

It is confusing for other people that this LICO is only income from Canadian sources, so how does CIC know if some income was from foreign sources, line 150 is total of all income.

 

[YULIA-2016]

Sponsor does not need NOAs, if co-singer has them.

if I came to Canada 2 mon ago and don't have NOA at all but spouse has all 3 can I sponsor parents right away?

 

[Javiya]

AFAIK the sponsor needs to meet the LICO requirements for the last three years. The cosigner is only needed if the sponsor isn't able to meet the minimum requirements. If both you and your husband meet the minimum income requirement for EACH of the last three years either separately or jointly then you'r eligible to apply. If you didn't file a return for 2014 but your husband's income for that particular year meets the requirement, you should be fine. You can not calculate the income as a whole for the entire 3 year period, look at it separately for each year then see if you're eligible or not.

Hi spy118, i believe APAK would still need to file return for 2014 ( NOA 2015) and get the paper to submit. Irrespective of income. If IRCC wouldn't fine APAK's NOA or income record in 2014 in internal inquiry, they would reject the application. So best thing to do it, file it now, get the assessment done in 2-3 weeks. Print the NOA for both sponsor snd Co-Signer and send it with application.

 

[Javiya]

ok so yeah maybe it's a NO. i have to check again...

Hi pgp2017, following is the language in form IMM1344E,

" Have you submitted a previous application in respect of which a final decision has not been made for the person being sponsored and their family members"

So there is no problem is the sponsor submits sponsorship for spouse as well as parents. the form say if same person's applicaiton is filed, then you can't apply again until you have some decision. So in nut shell, if the sponsor meets LICO for spouse + parents for last 3 years and next years till the application is in process, There is no problem at all.

 

[Cocoa]

It is confusing for other people that this LICO is only income from Canadian sources, so how does CIC know if some income was from foreign sources, line 150 is total of all income.

Rob didn't get the key point.
The key point is IF the sponsor lives in Canada or not, then follows where the income comes from.
And that's why Cic asks some people NOA's and option C's to get details.

 

[Rob_TO]

It is confusing for other people that this LICO is only income from Canadian sources, so how does CIC know if some income was from foreign sources, line 150 is total of all income.

Income can be from foreign sources, as long as sponsors were residing in Canada when the income was earned.

Financial Evaluation form asks for addresses of all employers for past 3 years. http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/pdf/kits/forms/IMM5768E.PDF

If any foreign employers listed, you would need to provide additional proof that you meet the exception to Canadian income rule by residing in Canada while it's earned.

 

[Rob_TO]

if I came to Canada 2 mon ago and don't have NOA at all but spouse has all 3 can I sponsor parents right away?

Yes.

 

[Rob_TO]

Rob didn't get the key point.
The key point is IF the sponsor lives in Canada or not, then follows where the income comes from.
And that's why Cic asks some people NOA's and option C's to get details.

You are the one making factually incorrect blanket statements like where income is earned doesn't matter. If you are referring to only those people physically residing in Canada, then you need to say that when you make the statements. Anyone reading some of your posts would just think you are talking in general the source of income doesn't matter.

 

[Cocoa]

You stated: "As for the income, the Canada earned and global earned, money is money, if you report your income to CRA, it's counted" which is completely wrong as global earned money is treated differently than Canada earned, and is only counted when the sponsor physically lives in Canada while it's earned.

Well I simply assumed that all the potential sponsors are living in Canada like all my friends are. Sure there would be some situations like this, who didn't live in Canada any period in past three years and declared their oversea income to CRA. That part is not counted.

 

[Cocoa]

You are the one making factually incorrect blanket statements like where income is earned doesn't matter. If you are referring to only those people physically residing in Canada, then you need to say that when you make the statements. Anyone reading some of your posts would just think you are talking in general the source of income doesn't matter.

But you made it sound like all the oversea income doesn't count because you emphasized it a few times without condition.
You seem like a person who likes to argue and win.
I am done with you about this subject.

 

[Rob_TO]

Well I simply assumed that all the potential sponsors are living in Canada like all my friends are. Sure there would be some situations like this, who didn't live in Canada any period in past three years and declared their oversea income to CRA. That part is not counted.

Someone could live in another country in 2014, making foreign income from that country.
Then they could return to Canada in 2015 - 2016 and make income here.

They would have income for 2014, 2015 and 2016 and currently be living in Canada, but they would not qualify to sponsor parents since 2014 income would not be counted since they weren't living in Canada while it was earned.