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H&C Humanitarian Ground with/or Without Failed refugee claim

TheSun1 said:
based what they asked Q;

do the Humanitarian and Compassionate application processing times refer to first stage processing, first and second stage processing, or something else​

A; refer only for first stage!! which is ridiculous
so 24 to 40 months just for stage one not refer to final decision
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FYI, for anyone reading this, it it this user's 70 something account over the last 1.5 years of issuing rape threats to me, hate speech, etc. His hate speech alone will make him ineligible for any H&C ground.
 
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Taweda said:
I totally agree with you. I understand that he has a lot of valuable experience, and I’ve asked him many questions before. He was always respectful and helpful in his responses, and I really appreciate that. However, I honestly don’t agree with his response in this forum. For many people, H&C is the only option they have, and sometimes negative comments can be very painful, especially when people are already going through a difficult and stressful process.

I completely respect his experience and contribution to the forum. I just wanted to express how I felt about that particular response.
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Don't worry about it! You are going through a difficult time and it is understandable! I was just posting another side here that goes a bit unnoticed. :)
 
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iSaidGoodDay said:
FYI, for anyone reading this, it it this user's 70 something account over the last 1.5 years of issuing rape threats to me, hate speech, etc. His hate speech alone will make him ineligible for any H&C ground.
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Oh wow that is why I got refused for both applications H&C and PRRA but don’t worry if gets deleted again I’ll make another one just to fuck you here in front of people all you can do is keep counting hhhhhh
 
canuck78 said:
I was also called negative when I pointed out for at least a year of two that processing times were wrong but I was right. I am trying to drive home the reality of what is happening because I follow CanLii so I see the changes through JRs and the applications to stay removals. I have also followed politics in Canada for at least 30 years so have witnessed the dramatic change when it comes to attitudes towards immigration and realize it will take 5-10 years to try to correct the errors done under Trudeau. I follow many immigration lawyers and consultants, etc. and see none of them thinking that PR quotas are going to go up. There isn’t the political will. I want to encourage most to think past just H&C because counting on being able to remain based on H&C or that it will come within a certain timeframe is unrealistic for many. If you have children who are teenagers or early adults I would be focusing on them each qualifying for PR on their own. They should start learning French asap. Living in Canada without status is difficult but is becoming more difficult. I don’t want people waiting in Canada hoping to remain while they lose out on other opportunities. Even if it is not their top option they may miss out on the 2nd or 3rd best option while waiting in Canada with no guarantee they will get PR. I have told people to learn French for a long time or leave Canada and go back to school or gain work experience in certain fields to try to get PR via economic routes. When it comes to seniors if they run out of status could you/they pay for all their medical care out of pocket? Hospitals are running deficits so are less likely to offer things like payment plans. Waitlists for healthcare are getting longer and more hospitals are limiting access to doctors except for those with provincial healthcare or those with international student insurance. I have read 2 cases of widows with at least one child and grandchildren in Canada in the past few weeks having their JRs dismissed after their H&C cases were refused. People need to be having realistic discussions with their parents about whether they should remain in Canada without status and whether they have the funds to pay out of pocket for a healthcare emergency. Would it make more sense to remain in status and for them to return home so they can visit when possible while also setting up a longterm care plan in their home country. Would you want your parents getting removed from Canada? I’m not saying these are easy options. I think keeping the general H&C going as is is cruel because it gives people unrealistic expectations when processed it many decades. Most will run out of status way before their application is assessed and we are seeing many with existing H&C applications being removed weekly. When you applied certainly should be a factor but especially if you applied in 2025/26 processing is so long that most will have left Canada or will have been out of status for a long time before their application is processed. Even late 2024 applicants need to look carefully at the backlog when they are published and truly assess their options. Being out of status has negative consequences inside Canada but also outside Canada so should be avoided. If people have children things like access to education and cost should also be a consideration. As I said before if I was a family with teenagers who had applied for H&C I would have my children learning French and making sure they could score CLB 7 when they graduate high school or as soon as possible after graduating high school. I also would book a consultation with a reputable immigration lawyer or consultant who is willing to tell the truth and not promise they can get everyone PR and create some strategies and work through the negative consequences as well. I know that some have already done this but many have no idea that H&C is not a realistic option to obtain PR in the near future especially if you applied somewhat recently. Also that IRCC and CBSA have become more strict on who they accept and have become more aggressive when it comes to removals so what was once possible may no longer be possible. I hope that IRCC also takes steps to reform the program because the current program doesn’t serve it’s purpose and is not functional.
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I understand your point, and I agree that people should have realistic backup plans rather than relying entirely on H&C. Every case is different, and H&C decisions depend heavily on individual, I think it is important not to assume that the current situation will remain the same for the next several years. For families with teenagers or young adults, exploring other PR pathways, improving English/French, gaining education or work experience, could definitely be worthwhile. keep legal status whenever possible, and have a Plan B rather than simply waiting and hoping.
 
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