No country has a program that works properly because the demand far exceeds the number of stops available. Certain groups would benefit if UNHCR was not involved. If you live in a refugee camp with little resources (also may not know EN/FR or may not be even literate) you are much less likely to be able to identify and apply to refugee programs for specific countries. The countries would not be able to absorb the volume of applicants. It would also be easier to falsify that you were actually a refugee. A large percentage of refugees don’t have access to tech to apply or monitor their application.
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No country has a program that works properly because the demand far exceeds the number of stops available. Certain groups would benefit if UNHCR was not involved. If you live in a refugee camp with little resources (also may not know EN/FR or may not be even literate) you are much less likely to be able to identify and apply to refugee programs for specific countries. The countries would not be able to absorb the volume of applicants. It would also be easier to falsify that you were actually a refugee. A large percentage of refugees don’t have access to tech to apply or monitor their application.
You’re right. However, what I meant was that I’m referring to applicants coming from Latin America who risk their lives to end up here. They settle, and after a few months or usually even years they get refused and are told to leave…
Why not simply select them in advance instead of indirectly selling them a dream and then making things complicated afterwards for the applicants, for the IRCC officers, and for the justice system ?
>Decadence, fraud, lack of civility, abuse, lack of ambition, ingratitude, poor integration and lack of attachment to Canada, opportunism, etc., are not exclusive to foreigners.
I agree, but it reduces sensitivity towards immigrants. That won't happen towards a citizen. Thankfully, the biggest cohort of immigrants has the lowest criminal representation in Canada: https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/rsrcs/pblctns/ccrso-2021/index-en.aspx#sec-c15, BUT that fails to factor in non-criminal offenses from immigrant cohorts e.g. illegal basements, abusing parking, LMIAs, etc <- those day-to-day things that make us look worse than we are as immigrants.
>A second issue, is the multicultural model, which creates divisions between individuals
To be honest, it is more of an issue of who we bring here. We get maybe 3-7% of people who can be barely classified as skilled, rest are extremely unskilled. That leads to socio-economic models that reinforce ghettofication. I've lived and worked in Silicon valley for so long, they don't have a model, they don't even have a guide for immigrants - but we all gelled pretty well there. Canada is different because people move here just to earn, very few move here to live. The difference between them is subtle but makes all the difference.
>I believe it would be an excellent idea to introduce mandatory interviews for all candidates
Conducting 300k interviews per year would be something
Canada is not selling people the dream of asylum/PR if they land in Brazil and get to Canada by land a smuggler is. Many of the people who decided to take the Darien gap route were not actual asylum seekers and were economic immigrants which is why people were likely denied. That route has essentially been shut down which is one of the good things I can say about Trump. People have other routes to get to Canada but in many ways it is easier to show up, there are no quotas for asylum seekers if you land in Canada and qualify to claim asylum, etc. If you’re referring to Latin & South Americans we did have a special PR pathway for them. Was likely put in place in exchange for closing Roxham road loophole but it still existed. If all it took to get PR in Canada is struggle to get here then why do we have any immigration policies & programs. This also would reward people talking risks with their lives while many were not aware of the requirements to be able to stay. Sadly smugglers sold this as a guaranteed stay if you made it to the US, Canada, etc.
>Decadence, fraud, lack of civility, abuse, lack of ambition, ingratitude, poor integration and lack of attachment to Canada, opportunism, etc., are not exclusive to foreigners.
I agree, but it reduces sensitivity towards immigrants. That won't happen towards a citizen. Thankfully, the biggest cohort of immigrants has the lowest criminal representation in Canada: https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/rsrcs/pblctns/ccrso-2021/index-en.aspx#sec-c15, BUT that fails to factor in non-criminal offenses from immigrant cohorts e.g. illegal basements, abusing parking, LMIAs, etc <- those day-to-day things that make us look worse than we are as immigrants.
>A second issue, is the multicultural model, which creates divisions between individuals
To be honest, it is more of an issue of who we bring here. We get maybe 3-7% of people who can be barely classified as skilled, rest are extremely unskilled. That leads to socio-economic models that reinforce ghettofication. I've lived and worked in Silicon valley for so long, they don't have a model, they don't even have a guide for immigrants - but we all gelled pretty well there. Canada is different because people move here just to earn, very few move here to live. The difference between them is subtle but makes all the difference.
>I believe it would be an excellent idea to introduce mandatory interviews for all candidates
Conducting 300k interviews per year would be something
Think most people move to Canada to settle with the goal being PR or citizens while many move to Silicon Valley to earn but I don’t think most see their longterm future there due to affordability & lifestyle. Also to say that there isn’t some segregation based on ethnicity in Silicon Valley and in the surrounding areas is just untrue. Because many people in the region work in tech (or have ties to tech) then there is a commonality which is missing in other regions of the US and Canada. Silicon Valley is more like a company town where people are mostly linked by one industry (vs company) which creates a certain level of cohesion & shared interest which overrides some of the segregation that is present. Also the fact that we are often talking about higher income individuals means that there is less focus on these types of issues.
https://www.businessinsider.com/map...on-sf-later-asians-over-index-in-the-valley-3
>Average salaries + comp is $600k. Anyone moving to Canada from there is just not that skilled.
Troll's new account. I moved to Canada to run my own tech business(proudly own three profitable businesses) and I moved to Canada as an exec. Keep your troll advice to yourself.
People don't move to a country because it is the best economically - that goes back to my comment on "why you are moving here". I didn't move here to earn, my earnings were higher in the US (less taxes) and India (lower cost of running a business). I opted to found three Canadian tech businesses and scaled them BECAUSE as my signature says "Home is where I want to be". I've felt at home here and that beats anything else. Making $1mil vs making $800k+being home - I'd chose the later.
>Anyone moving to Canada from there is just not that skilled. Skilled for a average tech job at some Canadian bank or say a Shopify. $120-140k max
Fwiw, I poached talent at my former F500 role in Canada and paid people $300k+, but you would know that those salaries exist in Canada if you KNEW what "skilled roles" really are.
https://torontosun.com/news/nationa...sidency-for-foreigners-at-risk-of-deportation
Anyone with common sense should support this. People who are here for several years, working and contributing to Canada economy should be granted PR. They should not be treated as temporary residents.
Anyone with common sense should support this. People who are here for several years, working and contributing to Canada economy should be granted PR. They should not be treated as temporary residents.
Great initiative ! We just need to put more focus on the importance of integrating into Canadian society, having a good command of one of the official languages, and respecting the universal values that Canada stands for, especially civility and living together in a pluralistic, intercultural environmen..
Shocked that the Toronto Sun printed this. Not really an immigrant friendly paper. Also very unlikely to happen. The argument could potentially be made for skills in demand. Would not make sense to start removing doctors & nurses working in the healthcare system in Canada for example.
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