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H&C Humanitarian Ground with/or Without Failed refugee claim

WellWell2021 said:
Actually, entering Canada is not as easy as it might seem. You yourself often point out in this forum how uncertain obtaining temporary visas can be, which is true. So claiming that entry to Canada is easy is simply an illusion...
Secondly, the majority of Canadians do not have a problem with immigration. Criticism is usually directed at the economic situation especially post-COVID and any hostility toward immigrants is marginal. When it exists, it is less about outright rejection and more about specific behavioral issues among certain groups, which is not the fault of their country of origin, culture, or history, but rather of local educational realities where social ethics may not be emphasized. Interestingly, members of these communities often obtain permanent residence through skilled worker programs or Canadian experience, which highlights that Canada’s immigration system is fundamentally bureaucratic it evaluates documents and paperwork more than the personal qualities of applicants.
Therefore, the idea that the Canadian government will remove those who have little chance of obtaining PR whether as skilled workers or through sponsorship is extremely unlikely. It is also important not to compare Canada to the U.S where the ideological climate is very different. A couple of years ago in 2022/2023 IRCC even mentioned the possibility of large scale regularization (which I personally did not believe, as I’ve learned never to fully trust IRCC). However, as political tensions increased with Trudeau’s government and opposition pressure, and with Conservatives using immigration issues to criticize Trudeau and link him to economic concerns, the government suddenly shifted its rhetoric, emphasizing the need to reduce immigration. This demonstrates that recent government statements on immigration often reflect political expediency rather than true conviction.
Immigration is thus often used as a poliical tool during elections, rather than being treated as a reality and integral part of Canadian society and economy. From my experience, people in precarious situations rarely even consider returning to their home countries they will stay. The state must acknowledge this reality honestly, unless it wants to exploit it, as it can be economically advantageous to have hundreds of thousands of people with limited rights working, paying rent, tuition, consuming, and contributing to the economy while living in the dark.
A proper regularization whether through humanitarian considerations, public interest programs, or temporary permits (TRP) is necessary, alongside a review of past mistakes... The post-2015 immigration changes and communication strategies have caused real damage, particularly regarding integration and fostering attachment to Canada
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It was extremely easy to enter Canada for multiple years. IRCC was doing bulk approvals of TRVs without even vetting them. Was easy to secure WPs, easy to get extensions of temporary status, etc. Nobody who works in immigration, especially during the Sean Fraser days, will disagree with me.
Being for limits of immigration doesn’t mean you are anti-immigration. Sure there is fringe elements, who have sadly grown larger, who call for no immigration but the majority want reasonable levels of immigration, better vetting of applicants and less temporary residents (not millions). The majority of the criticism about the volume of applicants is that they are putting huge pressure on infrastructure, that the volume is too high to promote integration, that due to poor vetting criminal activity has increased, that there is rampant fraud, that unemployment is too high to justify the previous immigration targets, etc. I could go on. Also that the humanitarian programs are costing taxpayers a fortune and that IRCC can’t process this volume of application and Canada doesn’t have the infrastructure to absorb this high volume of people. Most Canadians don’t find it acceptable to house 20 people in a basement and if that is the only housing option for people that is a problem. The Trudeau government (as a Liberal myself) became essentially the NDP and wanted to be known as the most humanitarian country of the world. Many Liberal MPs, other conservative parties and primarily bureaucrats at IRCC were against the regularization policy along with many of the policies the Trudeau government implemented. Provinces and municipalities were also complicit in some of this immigration mess so there is a lot of blame to go around. Immigration was also used to prop up a weak economy versus actually addressing the issues facing the economy. It is not very economically advantageous to the country to have a black market. It is beneficial for employers and people receiving services at potentially a reduced costs for example. People without status eventually access services but often can’t pay for them or if free use valuable resources, only pay sales taxes, get old but have no safety net, etc. If people are expecting their will be a regularization pathway, especially in the near future, they are dreaming. People need to be considering other pathways to remain in Canada. Many are returning home but with a plan to study, work, learn French, etc. in order to have a chance to secure PR. That is a plan many should be considering. If you monitor JRs it is clear that Canada has increased deportations this year. There will likely be some tough choices when it comes to various humanitarian pathways because what Canada is doing is not sustainable. Whether people want to accept this or not is up to them but people should no longer be counting on fairly easy pathways to remain in Canada that were possible even a few years ago. They should be considering other options.
 
wiener said:
I think European countires like Germany have strategies in place to integrate people on their land and will priortize them for permanent immigration over overseas applicants. It is rare to find people living in Germany or any other European country for several years without PR. Canada immigration policies were best before 2015 where people are eligible for PR after studying master or enroling in PhD for 2 years without the need for Canadian work experience. Nowadays, even international students with years of Canadian work experience are having hard time getting PR.
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It is so interesting you mention Germany, it is actually one of the hardest counties to permanently immigrate to.

To get PR you need to have three years of full-time experience in a highly skilled profession (they have a limited list: mostly engineers, doctors, IT, nurses and teachers) and pass a German proficiency test. Then you have to continuously live in Genany with PR for 10 years before you can apply for citizenship.

All while your children do not get German citizenship by being born there unless you are a citizen or had PR for at least 5 years at the time of birth.
 
FairyPilot said:
It is so interesting you mention Germany, it is actually one of the hardest counties to permanently immigrate to.

To get PR you need to have three years of full-time experience in a highly skilled profession (they have a limited list: mostly engineers, doctors, IT, nurses and teachers) and pass a German proficiency test. Then you have to continuously live in Genany with PR for 10 years before you can apply for citizenship.

All while your children do not get German citizenship by being born there unless you are a citizen or had PR for at least 5 years at the time of birth.
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Even for spousal, you do not get automatic PR. You need to prove German efficiency and live there continuously
 
NickNick22 said:
You are not right, since 2024 - you can work for any "skilled job".
Another question, due to you circumstances you can apply for German PR after 21-60 months.

And having 60 months of TOTAL residence apply for citizenship
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You also have to pass a high level German test which limits who can actually immigrate and get citizenship. Also relatively new change trying to attract more immigrants.
 
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