GCMS - RC-8090

[Jaywalker]

Ohh interesting! and I guess you live in the GTA right?

Yes I do

 

[Anonyref]

DF: Decision is Finalized.
Congratulations!! You should expect your LPP to be completed in the next few days.

@Ryan4

@Jalalcananda

Hi! My file is also in this stage. As per tracker my LPP is still in process but location says E-grant DF. My office is scarborough and I applied on Jan 2023.

 

[mbaleine]

Honestly if your AOR was in July and you have Sydney as one of your offices, I wouldn't even start to think about what's this and why's that until may be the 9th month mark, because you'll be stressing yourself out before any movement at all on your file.

The following is entirely my conjuncture, or perhaps more aptly put, my hunch based on following posts throughout this thread and a bit of digging on my part. There's obviously no way to confirm, nor do I seek any validation. Purely posting to share a thought and to kill time (yawn).

I think a distinction needs to be made between (i) having Sydney (RC-8090) as primary office, and local office (Scarborough/Vancouver/Edmonton/etc) as secondary office, and (ii) having local office as primary office, and RC-8090 for secondary.

I suspect that, for the majority of applicants whose primary office is RC-8090, they have been, for whatever reason, thrown into Project Endeavour and are now "Endeavour" clients handled by Sydney CPC. I do not know what the heck Project Endeavour is exactly. I only know that (a) there is such a thing as "Endeavour" clients (per reference made by IRCC's internal document disclosed via ATIP request); and (b) the vast majority of the applications handled by Sydney CPC fall under Project Endeavour (40787/44637=91% as of May 2022). See screenshots from ATIP documents obtained from IRCC in the thread linked above for evidence for (a) and (b). As most of the folks here in this thread are familiar by now, if your primary office is RC-8090, you are most likely looking at some 9 months of waiting (no movement whatsoever in GCMS) before something happens with LPP (completion; interview request; etc). I am inclined to think that that is how long the queue in Project Endeavour is currently taking. Once Sydney is done with whatever it is that they do in Project Endeavour (which quite evidently includes LPP), they transfer the file back to local/secondary office, which then schedules oath.

DN [Domestic Network] would position itself to render 223,000 decisions, in addition to inviting and logging tests, and conducting ceremonies for not only its own clients but Endeavour clients as well

Under this conjuncture, those whose primary office is the local office, albeit with RC-8090 as secondary and assigned to do LPP, are considered "its own clients" of the local office (part of DN), as opposed to CPC Sydney's "Endeavour clients". And because these people are not Endeavour clients, you see their LPP get completed much faster (way shorter than 9+ months post-test/BG), despite LPP being assigned to RC-8090, than Endeavour clients whose primary office is RC-8090.

If you are lost by the above, or need a TL;DR, here's a summary:
- RC-8090 as primary office = Endeavour client of CPC Sydney = 9+ months long wait = unlucky
- RC-8090 as secondary office = non-Endeavour client of local office / Domestic Network = maybe slight delay in LPP but nothing like Project Endeavour = lucky

Now with that out of the way, what I'm really curious about (not that I'd ever get to know for sure, but like I said, just killing time here) is what determines who gets selected into Project Endeavour. Many years ago a set of citizenship application triage criteria used by IRCC surfaced on the Internet. You can still find them if you do some Googling. But those are obviousy obsolete now, and honestly don't offer much insight at all into Endeavour clients (I say this because I actually looked through the goddamn thing when I was scratching my head about Project Endeavour). I suspect that a certain percentage of people might get randomly selected, if one were to assume that Project Endeavour subjects an application to greater scrutiny and hence might be part of IRCC's Quality Assurance program. For the rest, there must be some sort of triage crtieria, as presented in our applications, that trigger our application to be sorted into Project Endeavour. For example, I did a soft landing and didn't move to Canada for good until a year after becoming PR. My 5-year eligibility period covers that one year of being PR but not living in Canada. Could a scenario like that be one of the criteria for looking at the application more closely under Project Endeavour? (I'll never know ) If your primary office is RC-8090, is there anything in your application that you could think of that might trigger a triage into Project Endeavour?

One final conjecture, regarding the progression in GMCS "location" under "Paper File". This is a hard one because not everyone requests their notes at every juncture of the processing of their application; and even if the files do capture changes from one juncture to another, there's no guarantee the meaningful changes in "location" was not redacted by ATIP staff (who may not apply redaction criteria uniformly). But anyways, I suspect that the progression of an Endeavour's client is more or less as follows ("location"):
e-Grants PE (or just "e-Grants" if "PE" is redacted)
e-Grants review ready by PM-01 or PM-03
e-Grants DF (decision finalized?)

Again, I present nothing as solid facts other than the screenshots from ATIP documents, so please take everything abovementioned with a pinch of salt and apply ample of critical thinking of your own. At the end of day, none of this really matters because there is pretty much nothing one can do but to wait (or file mandus, I suppose).

 

[Jalalcananda]

The following is entirely my conjuncture, or perhaps more aptly put, my hunch based on following posts throughout this thread and a bit of digging on my part. There's obviously no way to confirm, nor do I seek any validation. Purely posting to share a thought and to kill time (yawn).

I think a distinction needs to be made between (i) having Sydney (RC-8090) as primary office, and local office (Scarborough/Vancouver/Edmonton/etc) as secondary office, and (ii) having local office as primary office, and RC-8090 for secondary.

I suspect that, for the majority of applicants whose primary office is RC-8090, they have been, for whatever reason, thrown into Project Endeavour and are now "Endeavour" clients handled by Sydney CPC. I do not know what the heck Project Endeavour is exactly. I only know that (a) there is such a thing as "Endeavour" clients (per reference made by IRCC's internal document disclosed via ATIP request); and (b) the vast majority of the applications handled by Sydney CPC fall under Project Endeavour (40787/44637=91% as of May 2022). See screenshots from ATIP documents obtained from IRCC in the thread linked above for evidence for (a) and (b). As most of the folks here in this thread are familiar by now, if your primary office is RC-8090, you are most likely looking at some 9 months of waiting (no movement whatsoever in GCMS) before something happens with LPP (completion; interview request; etc). I am inclined to think that that is how long the queue in Project Endeavour is currently taking. Once Sydney is done with whatever it is that they do in Project Endeavour (which quite evidently includes LPP), they transfer the file back to local/secondary office, which then schedules oath.



Under this conjuncture, those whose primary office is the local office, albeit with RC-8090 as secondary and assigned to do LPP, are considered "its own clients" of the local office (part of DN), as opposed to CPC Sydney's "Endeavour clients". And because these people are not Endeavour clients, you see their LPP get completed much faster (way shorter than 9+ months post-test/BG), despite LPP being assigned to RC-8090, than Endeavour clients whose primary office is RC-8090.

If you are lost by the above, or need a TL;DR, here's a summary:
- RC-8090 as primary office = Endeavour client of CPC Sydney = 9+ months long wait = unlucky
- RC-8090 as secondary office = non-Endeavour client of local office / Domestic Network = maybe slight delay in LPP but nothing like Project Endeavour = lucky

Now with that out of the way, what I'm really curious about (not that I'd ever get to know for sure, but like I said, just killing time here) is what determines who gets selected into Project Endeavour. Many years ago a set of citizenship application triage criteria used by IRCC surfaced on the Internet. You can still find them if you do some Googling. But those are obviousy obsolete now, and honestly don't offer much insight at all into Endeavour clients (I say this because I actually looked through the goddamn thing when I was scratching my head about Project Endeavour). I suspect that a certain percentage of people might get randomly selected, if one were to assume that Project Endeavour subjects an application to greater scrutiny and hence might be part of IRCC's Quality Assurance program. For the rest, there must be some sort of triage crtieria, as presented in our applications, that trigger our application to be sorted into Project Endeavour. For example, I did a soft landing and didn't move to Canada for good until a year after becoming PR. My 5-year eligibility period covers that one year of being PR but not living in Canada. Could a scenario like that be one of the criteria for looking at the application more closely under Project Endeavour? (I'll never know ) If your primary office is RC-8090, is there anything in your application that you could think of that might trigger a triage into Project Endeavour?

One final conjecture, regarding the progression in GMCS "location" under "Paper File". This is a hard one because not everyone requests their notes at every juncture of the processing of their application; and even if the files do capture changes from one juncture to another, there's no guarantee the meaningful changes in "location" was not redacted by ATIP staff (who may not apply redaction criteria uniformly). But anyways, I suspect that the progression of an Endeavour's client is more or less as follows ("location"):
e-Grants PE (or just "e-Grants" if "PE" is redacted)
e-Grants review ready by PM-01 or PM-03
e-Grants DF (decision finalized?)

Again, I present nothing as solid facts other than the screenshots from ATIP documents, so please take everything abovementioned with a pinch of salt and apply ample of critical thinking of your own. At the end of day, none of this really matters because there is pretty much nothing one can do but to wait (or file mandus, I suppose).

Nice job. Thank you.
My primary office is Vancouver and secondary Sydney as my gcms files shows.
Until test everything was by Vancouver office and now i am waiting for LPP more than 5 months.
I had E-grant, E-grant ready to review by pm01 and in last gcms it was E-grant DF.
So maybe I am a Endeavour too!
I wish DF is not Deferred.
Thank you again for your comprehensive post.

 

[Ryan4]

Nice job. Thank you.
My primary office is Vancouver and secondary Sydney as my gcms files shows.
Until test everything was by Vancouver office and now i am waiting for LPP more than 5 months.
I had E-grant, E-grant ready to review by pm01 and in last gcms it was E-grant DF.
So maybe I am a Endeavour too!
I wish DF is not Deferred.
Thank you again for your comprehensive post.

When you order the GCMS notes, does it show you all the previous locations of your files? Or just the current location?
Also, I highly doubt DF stands for deferred! Never heard that before. Plus, most of who had DF got LPP and oath right after, so most likely it’s Decision Finalized. I hope it is that too!

 

[Jalalcananda]

When you order the GCMS notes, does it show you all the previous locations of your files? Or just the current location?
Also, I highly doubt DF stands for deferred! Never heard that before. Plus, most of who had DF got LPP and oath right after, so most likely it’s Decision Finalized. I hope it is that too!

From the date of Test I requested the gcms every month to track the changes. I am DF since Oct 30. Let's see when LPP comes.

 

[Ryan4]

From the date of Test I requested the gcms every month to track the changes. I am DF since Oct 30. Let's see when LPP comes.

Inshallah I hope so. But my question is will I be able to see the previous locations of my file or just the current location?

 

[Jalalcananda]

Inshallah I hope so. But my question is will I be able to see the previous locations of my file or just the current location?

Just the current.

 

[rohitrmehta]

Today, Dec 16, just logged in to see, LPP is all completed, which was pending since April 2023.

I’m convinced, renew your PR cards if they are expired. Someone else also mentioned this here. My friends waited months, filed to renew PR cards and their oath also came an a few days later.

 

[rohitrmehta]

The following is entirely my conjuncture, or perhaps more aptly put, my hunch based on following posts throughout this thread and a bit of digging on my part. There's obviously no way to confirm, nor do I seek any validation. Purely posting to share a thought and to kill time (yawn).

I think a distinction needs to be made between (i) having Sydney (RC-8090) as primary office, and local office (Scarborough/Vancouver/Edmonton/etc) as secondary office, and (ii) having local office as primary office, and RC-8090 for secondary.

I suspect that, for the majority of applicants whose primary office is RC-8090, they have been, for whatever reason, thrown into Project Endeavour and are now "Endeavour" clients handled by Sydney CPC. I do not know what the heck Project Endeavour is exactly. I only know that (a) there is such a thing as "Endeavour" clients (per reference made by IRCC's internal document disclosed via ATIP request); and (b) the vast majority of the applications handled by Sydney CPC fall under Project Endeavour (40787/44637=91% as of May 2022). See screenshots from ATIP documents obtained from IRCC in the thread linked above for evidence for (a) and (b). As most of the folks here in this thread are familiar by now, if your primary office is RC-8090, you are most likely looking at some 9 months of waiting (no movement whatsoever in GCMS) before something happens with LPP (completion; interview request; etc). I am inclined to think that that is how long the queue in Project Endeavour is currently taking. Once Sydney is done with whatever it is that they do in Project Endeavour (which quite evidently includes LPP), they transfer the file back to local/secondary office, which then schedules oath.



Under this conjuncture, those whose primary office is the local office, albeit with RC-8090 as secondary and assigned to do LPP, are considered "its own clients" of the local office (part of DN), as opposed to CPC Sydney's "Endeavour clients". And because these people are not Endeavour clients, you see their LPP get completed much faster (way shorter than 9+ months post-test/BG), despite LPP being assigned to RC-8090, than Endeavour clients whose primary office is RC-8090.

If you are lost by the above, or need a TL;DR, here's a summary:
- RC-8090 as primary office = Endeavour client of CPC Sydney = 9+ months long wait = unlucky
- RC-8090 as secondary office = non-Endeavour client of local office / Domestic Network = maybe slight delay in LPP but nothing like Project Endeavour = lucky

Now with that out of the way, what I'm really curious about (not that I'd ever get to know for sure, but like I said, just killing time here) is what determines who gets selected into Project Endeavour. Many years ago a set of citizenship application triage criteria used by IRCC surfaced on the Internet. You can still find them if you do some Googling. But those are obviousy obsolete now, and honestly don't offer much insight at all into Endeavour clients (I say this because I actually looked through the goddamn thing when I was scratching my head about Project Endeavour). I suspect that a certain percentage of people might get randomly selected, if one were to assume that Project Endeavour subjects an application to greater scrutiny and hence might be part of IRCC's Quality Assurance program. For the rest, there must be some sort of triage crtieria, as presented in our applications, that trigger our application to be sorted into Project Endeavour. For example, I did a soft landing and didn't move to Canada for good until a year after becoming PR. My 5-year eligibility period covers that one year of being PR but not living in Canada. Could a scenario like that be one of the criteria for looking at the application more closely under Project Endeavour? (I'll never know ) If your primary office is RC-8090, is there anything in your application that you could think of that might trigger a triage into Project Endeavour?

One final conjecture, regarding the progression in GMCS "location" under "Paper File". This is a hard one because not everyone requests their notes at every juncture of the processing of their application; and even if the files do capture changes from one juncture to another, there's no guarantee the meaningful changes in "location" was not redacted by ATIP staff (who may not apply redaction criteria uniformly). But anyways, I suspect that the progression of an Endeavour's client is more or less as follows ("location"):
e-Grants PE (or just "e-Grants" if "PE" is redacted)
e-Grants review ready by PM-01 or PM-03
e-Grants DF (decision finalized?)

Again, I present nothing as solid facts other than the screenshots from ATIP documents, so please take everything abovementioned with a pinch of salt and apply ample of critical thinking of your own. At the end of day, none of this really matters because there is pretty much nothing one can do but to wait (or file mandus, I suppose).

Great Job!! This is going to help a lot of folks.

Today morning, I checked and had my LPP completed. After guess.... exactly 9 months since my last update in April 2023. 4 AITP requests and 1 call later. Important to note, that I filed for my PR renewal late last week. I called them on 14th Dec and they said it is in progress. My update date is 14th Dec, even though I got it on the 16th. In my call, I asked them if there is any delay if the PR card is expired, and they said no. But, mine is the 4th case I know where renewal to PR card has been filed and LPP came soon after. The same happened to my friend, who he paid for PR card renewal and a few days later, his oath came in. Something to consider. My PR card expired in Sept 2023 and was valid when I filed for my citizenship.

 

[adbcca]

There seems to be a widespread misunderstanding regarding the RC-8090 or the Sydney office. Many citizenship applications are assigned to RC-8090, including those processed within two months, as I've observed from numerous GCMS notes of friends. Therefore, if your assessment is assigned to RC-8090, it doesn't necessarily indicate anything significant. What you really want to examine is the status of the location of your paper file, as this can provide clues about the status of your application. Moreover, it is the office listed on your paper file that is actually processing your application, even if the LPP assessment is assigned to RC-8090.

 

[mbaleine]

Great Job!! This is going to help a lot of folks.

Today morning, I checked and had my LPP completed. After guess.... exactly 9 months since my last update in April 2023. 4 AITP requests and 1 call later. Important to note, that I filed for my PR renewal late last week. I called them on 14th Dec and they said it is in progress. My update date is 14th Dec, even though I got it on the 16th. In my call, I asked them if there is any delay if the PR card is expired, and they said no. But, mine is the 4th case I know where renewal to PR card has been filed and LPP came soon after. The same happened to my friend, who he paid for PR card renewal and a few days later, his oath came in. Something to consider. My PR card expired in Sept 2023 and was valid when I filed for my citizenship.

Congratulations! Saw your past posts and it seems that you had Jan 2023 AOR? It's really messed up when so many other later applicants flew by the whole process within 2-3 months, but still within this thread 11 months total seems on the faster side already.. My AOR is June 2023, so I guess I'll continue to sit back.. (not eligible for PR card renewal just yet).

 

[adbcca]

Regarding 'DF,' I've observed the term 'Grant Ceremony DF' used in a case where someone's ceremony was cancelled due to an administrative error, even though all their citizenship assessments were complete. Additionally, there was a note following the cancellation that was redacted by the ATIP team, which might contain the reason, but I cannot be certain

 

[Jaywalker]

The following is entirely my conjuncture, or perhaps more aptly put, my hunch based on following posts throughout this thread and a bit of digging on my part. There's obviously no way to confirm, nor do I seek any validation. Purely posting to share a thought and to kill time (yawn).

I think a distinction needs to be made between (i) having Sydney (RC-8090) as primary office, and local office (Scarborough/Vancouver/Edmonton/etc) as secondary office, and (ii) having local office as primary office, and RC-8090 for secondary.

I suspect that, for the majority of applicants whose primary office is RC-8090, they have been, for whatever reason, thrown into Project Endeavour and are now "Endeavour" clients handled by Sydney CPC. I do not know what the heck Project Endeavour is exactly. I only know that (a) there is such a thing as "Endeavour" clients (per reference made by IRCC's internal document disclosed via ATIP request); and (b) the vast majority of the applications handled by Sydney CPC fall under Project Endeavour (40787/44637=91% as of May 2022). See screenshots from ATIP documents obtained from IRCC in the thread linked above for evidence for (a) and (b). As most of the folks here in this thread are familiar by now, if your primary office is RC-8090, you are most likely looking at some 9 months of waiting (no movement whatsoever in GCMS) before something happens with LPP (completion; interview request; etc). I am inclined to think that that is how long the queue in Project Endeavour is currently taking. Once Sydney is done with whatever it is that they do in Project Endeavour (which quite evidently includes LPP), they transfer the file back to local/secondary office, which then schedules oath.



Under this conjuncture, those whose primary office is the local office, albeit with RC-8090 as secondary and assigned to do LPP, are considered "its own clients" of the local office (part of DN), as opposed to CPC Sydney's "Endeavour clients". And because these people are not Endeavour clients, you see their LPP get completed much faster (way shorter than 9+ months post-test/BG), despite LPP being assigned to RC-8090, than Endeavour clients whose primary office is RC-8090.

If you are lost by the above, or need a TL;DR, here's a summary:
- RC-8090 as primary office = Endeavour client of CPC Sydney = 9+ months long wait = unlucky
- RC-8090 as secondary office = non-Endeavour client of local office / Domestic Network = maybe slight delay in LPP but nothing like Project Endeavour = lucky

Now with that out of the way, what I'm really curious about (not that I'd ever get to know for sure, but like I said, just killing time here) is what determines who gets selected into Project Endeavour. Many years ago a set of citizenship application triage criteria used by IRCC surfaced on the Internet. You can still find them if you do some Googling. But those are obviousy obsolete now, and honestly don't offer much insight at all into Endeavour clients (I say this because I actually looked through the goddamn thing when I was scratching my head about Project Endeavour). I suspect that a certain percentage of people might get randomly selected, if one were to assume that Project Endeavour subjects an application to greater scrutiny and hence might be part of IRCC's Quality Assurance program. For the rest, there must be some sort of triage crtieria, as presented in our applications, that trigger our application to be sorted into Project Endeavour. For example, I did a soft landing and didn't move to Canada for good until a year after becoming PR. My 5-year eligibility period covers that one year of being PR but not living in Canada. Could a scenario like that be one of the criteria for looking at the application more closely under Project Endeavour? (I'll never know ) If your primary office is RC-8090, is there anything in your application that you could think of that might trigger a triage into Project Endeavour?

One final conjecture, regarding the progression in GMCS "location" under "Paper File". This is a hard one because not everyone requests their notes at every juncture of the processing of their application; and even if the files do capture changes from one juncture to another, there's no guarantee the meaningful changes in "location" was not redacted by ATIP staff (who may not apply redaction criteria uniformly). But anyways, I suspect that the progression of an Endeavour's client is more or less as follows ("location"):
e-Grants PE (or just "e-Grants" if "PE" is redacted)
e-Grants review ready by PM-01 or PM-03
e-Grants DF (decision finalized?)

Again, I present nothing as solid facts other than the screenshots from ATIP documents, so please take everything abovementioned with a pinch of salt and apply ample of critical thinking of your own. At the end of day, none of this really matters because there is pretty much nothing one can do but to wait (or file mandus, I suppose).

Great post. Thanks for putting this out.

But to your point on how they triage the people into PE. I and my spouse both have extensive travel history during the 5 year eligibility period. Large periods of absence. In fact my spouse had more period of absence than mine. She is through with LPP with just oath pending within 2 months off AOR with Mississauga office. While I am stuck at RC8090 for 7 months since AOR. So I think its more random to Project Endeavour then them Triaging.

 

[mbaleine]

Great post. Thanks for putting this out.

But to your point on how they triage the people into PE. I and my spouse both have extensive travel history during the 5 year eligibility period. Large periods of absence. In fact my spouse had more period of absence than mine. She is through with LPP with just oath pending within 2 months off AOR with Mississauga office. While I am stuck at RC8090 for 7 months since AOR. So I think its more random to Project Endeavour then them Triaging.

Thanks for sharing! Every data point helps