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EscoBlades

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Buddy, Ive had some terrible experiences myself. Cant believe how much I paid for help, which amounted in zero results. I wish there was an IRCC educational program that would empower us, teach us how it works, and not fall victim to scams.
There are programs. They go to universities and corporations to give talks/presentations on immigration pathways and processes. They do this in select locations overseas as well.
No idea if these programs, talks, and/seminars are any good (it is IRCC, they are most likely terrible) but they exist.
 
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I thought CRS will increase instead?
To be honest, we do not know what kind of system they will put in place. Assuming its like Australia, where individual profession code is given its own cut off, if demand is high enough; for a lot of people it will be a quick access to immigration because they will be competing against folks of their own profession only.
 

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PR is still very easy tbh. Giving shit easy exams like IELTS, moderately annoying exams like TEF, etc can still save an applicant from either: taking the student route or becoming an investor. People can raise as little as $100k in funds and qualify for startup PR as well(2-3 years of wait though, still better than spending on a degree).
Learning french to pass TEF is quite an undertaking.

And getting PR via business/startup route is harder. Actually much fewer folks take that path and processing time is much longer. The best route is ICT route. Come here as an expat. Then become PR.

About the nuanced approach - I'm not 100% sure if that's going to be an easy path.
If they follow Australia's path it will certainly be better.

When AU started inviting by categories, most students took new courses, worked new jobs to make those cut offs. Some did it for another 4-5 years before giving up. While it had an impact on brand AU, it didn't impacted the number of TRVs in AU by a lot. What those low cut offs did was to create endless loops of "hopefulness" where people though if I got this education and 1 year exp - I'll get a PR in the next 2 years. When they reached those cutoffs, so did a lot more - the cut off category wise went up. AU's category specific invites fluctuated in numbers too.

Brand Canada is easily 2x Brand AU right now when it comes to immigration. It is very hard to say what would be the outcome here.
In 2012-2015 or so, AU PR was much much much easier than Canada. Used to take much shorter time. Was fully online. All you needed to do was to apply. That it. 60 point and you were done.

25-33 : 30 points
Englist IELTS 8 in all : 20 points
Bachelors degree or more: 15 points

Thats 65 points!

If you cann't score 8 in all IELTS ? No problem!

Age : 30
English : 10
Bachelors degree or more : 15
3 years work exp : 5 points

total 60

If you do not want to wait for 3 years work exp?
No problem! You are married, spouse has 6 on ielts, is less than 45 of age and has their degree assessed: 10 points.

It was easy as pie.

Thats what I think per-NOC system should be able to bring in. It will remove all the crowd and the NOCs will not be crowded.
 

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IELTS CLB9 is not that easy as well for non-native speakers. Most people are stuck at 6.5 for writing or speaking.
Well my opinion is indeed tainted by Indian lens. Indians typically learn english as sole medium of communication over their long schooling and higher education. English is much less of a hurdle for us.
 

iSaidGoodDay

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Learning french to pass TEF is quite an undertaking.
Not all friction is a bad friction. Committing towards something is actually good and forces someone to think :D

IELTS CLB9 is not that easy as well for non-native speakers. Most people are stuck at 6.5 for writing or speaking.
On a surprising note though, you are not wrong when it comes to people being stuck at lower scores. It is weird to see that.

IELTS is still an easy exam though. CLB9 in IELTS is still a steal compared to other pathways. It'll be a lot harder for people to survive in Canada if they are going to struggle with IELTS CLB9.

CLB9 is literally:
1. Right letter format + Right paragraph format + no grammatical mistakes + diverse word usage. We literally write emails at work and try to not have mistakes. This shouldn't be too hard. If you do Right letter format + right paragraph format + some diverse word usage - you'll still get 7 easily.
2. Being able to talk with someone and discuss topics in English. Don't we discuss complex topics at words in English. Should be unlikely to not land 7 or 8 in English. Make sure one doesn't stop talking and try to speak with a little fluency.

I see that people have more issues with listening and reading where time management could hurt a few. But I guess even the minimum in #1 and #2 are too much to expect. Honestly, that would really hurt their chances of success or even decent quality of life. I already see people throughout the world where they struggle to participate in meetings, communicate their ideas, etc and as a result don't go beyond an IC role.

Edited: I thought you were talking about French lol initially.
 
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ImpatientDragon

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Not all friction is a bad friction. Committing towards something is actually good and forces someone to think :D



On a surprising note though, you are not wrong when it comes to people being stuck at lower scores. It is weird to see that.

IELTS is still an easy exam though. CLB9 in IELTS is still a steal compared to other pathways. It'll be a lot harder for people to survive in Canada if they are going to struggle with IELTS CLB9.

CLB9 is literally:
1. Right letter format + Right paragraph format + no grammatical mistakes + diverse word usage. We literally write emails at work and try to not have mistakes. This shouldn't be too hard. If you do Right letter format + right paragraph format + some diverse word usage - you'll still get 7 easily.
2. Being able to talk with someone and discuss topics in English. Don't we discuss complex topics at words in English. Should be unlikely to not land 7 or 8 in English. Make sure one doesn't stop talking and try to speak with a little fluency.

I see that people have more issues with listening and reading where time management could hurt a few. But I guess even the minimum in #1 and #2 are too much to expect. Honestly, that would really hurt their chances of success or even decent quality of life. I already see people throughout the world where they struggle to participate in meetings, communicate their ideas, etc and as a result don't go beyond an IC role.

Edited: I thought you were talking about French lol initially.
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Not all friction is a bad friction. Committing towards something is actually good and forces someone to think :D



On a surprising note though, you are not wrong when it comes to people being stuck at lower scores. It is weird to see that.

IELTS is still an easy exam though. CLB9 in IELTS is still a steal compared to other pathways. It'll be a lot harder for people to survive in Canada if they are going to struggle with IELTS CLB9.

CLB9 is literally:
1. Right letter format + Right paragraph format + no grammatical mistakes + diverse word usage. We literally write emails at work and try to not have mistakes. This shouldn't be too hard. If you do Right letter format + right paragraph format + some diverse word usage - you'll still get 7 easily.
2. Being able to talk with someone and discuss topics in English. Don't we discuss complex topics at words in English. Should be unlikely to not land 7 or 8 in English. Make sure one doesn't stop talking and try to speak with a little fluency.

I see that people have more issues with listening and reading where time management could hurt a few. But I guess even the minimum in #1 and #2 are too much to expect. Honestly, that would really hurt their chances of success or even decent quality of life. I already see people throughout the world where they struggle to participate in meetings, communicate their ideas, etc and as a result don't go beyond an IC role.

Edited: I thought you were talking about French lol initially.
That's what I like about Kanehda. If one can speak fluent English with a North American accent (or without an accent), it will significantly put you above other job applicants for require client facing roles. The only downside is the bilingual French/English speakers will always be above you....
 

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Strike is happening. Looks like ‘this little manoeuver is going to cost 51 years’ for some like me who lose points cause of age in the coming weeks. I was hoping a 482-3 draw today and OINP in the next month. But seems like it’s just not going to happen for me :( :/
 

ImpatientDragon

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Strike is happening. Looks like ‘this little manoeuver is going to cost 51 years’ for some like me who lose points cause of age in the coming weeks. I was hoping a 482-3 draw today and OINP in the next month. But seems like it’s just not going to happen for me :( :/
draw today why? isn't it supposed to be in 2 weeks or am I missing something? or are you just wishing every Wednesday for a draw to happen.
 
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ImpatientDragon

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Strike is happening. Looks like ‘this little manoeuver is going to cost 51 years’ for some like me who lose points cause of age in the coming weeks. I was hoping a 482-3 draw today and OINP in the next month. But seems like it’s just not going to happen for me :( :/
????
 

aisling_ai

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hi guys, I need so clarity on crs recalculation.
I got an ITA with 492 CRS, the cut off was 484. I will be getting married soon thus adding my spouse in the eAPR; using the CRS calculator our score is 484, same as the cut off from the draw I got the ITA. My question is, if I proceed as explained (spouse accompanying) will our application be rejected with 484 crs? My initial EE profile has more than enough funds for us. Thanks a lot!
 

ImpatientDragon

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hi guys, I need so clarity on crs recalculation.
I got an ITA with 492 CRS, the cut off was 484. I will be getting married soon thus adding my spouse in the eAPR; using the CRS calculator our score is 484, same as the cut off from the draw I got the ITA. My question is, if I proceed as explained (spouse accompanying) will our application be rejected with 484 crs? My initial EE profile has more than enough funds for us. Thanks a lot!
Will be rejected.
 

aisling_ai

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Will be rejected.
So how would explain this?

  • If the applicant’s CRS score at the time of the e-APR is equal to or higher than the lowest-ranked score in the round of invitations, the application will not be refused under section A11.2, as long as the applicant’s supporting documentation corroborates their claims and they continue to meet the MEC for Express Entry, including the requirements of the program to which they were invited to apply.
From: IRCC Website