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[GandiBaat]

The crux of the matter is people who are not from IT background would have very different experience in Canada vs people coming in tech sector. Many people from tech sector who move from US to Canada already have substantial savings and even if they have a pay cut compared to their salaries in US; their salaries are still in top 2-5% of Canada.

Most of the struggle stories you will read or listen are primarily from people in a different sector. People who are bankers back home struggle a lot as banks here pay peanuts and banking jobs are so damn hard to get.

Canada has systematically eliminated all its manufacturing industry. Those that survive are directly linked with real estate. Manufacturing accounts only for 10% of GDP. Even the high tech manufacturing is absent in Canada. With the massive amount of fresh water, world class universities, highly educated population, widespread trade agreement and political acceptability world over with no sanctions you would expect it to have semiconductor fabrication industry but it is strangely missing. There are semiconductor design houses but then those have more in common with software than with manufacturing.

There is some oil and gas extraction industry but that is the extent of it.

 

[Impatient Dankaroo]

The crux of the matter is people who are not from IT background would have very different experience in Canada vs people coming in tech sector. Many people from tech sector who move from US to Canada already have substantial savings and even if they have a pay cut compared to their salaries in US; their salaries are still in top 2-5% of Canada.

Most of the struggle stories you will read or listen are primarily from people in a different sector. People who are bankers back home struggle a lot as banks here pay peanuts and banking jobs are so damn hard to get.

Corporate and I-Banking is already desirable for Canadians where there's plenty of talent. Why would banks require Mahmoud from Pakistan to do the job

 

[wonderbly]

The crux of the matter is people who are not from IT background would have very different experience in Canada vs people coming in tech sector. Many people from tech sector who move from US to Canada already have substantial savings and even if they have a pay cut compared to their salaries in US; their salaries are still in top 2-5% of Canada.

Most of the struggle stories you will read or listen are primarily from people in a different sector. People who are bankers back home struggle a lot as banks here pay peanuts and banking jobs are so damn hard to get.

100%. I never appreciated this until I saw my friends and family who are non-IT struggle to find employment. My husband and I had job options to choose from, from our first week of landing. Not so for my friends who are Lawyers, Pharmacists, Lecturers, Accountants etc and very successful where there came from.

 

[cansha]

Corporate and I-Banking is already desirable for Canadians where there's plenty of talent. Why would banks require Mahmoud from Pakistan to do the job

I was not even talking about those kind of jobs which as you said are highly sought after. Even the relatively low skilled jobs in banking like say a teller etc. are quite difficult to get as there are already a lot of people who can do those jobs. Plus Canada has an overflow of CPA / accountants.

 

[abhiram.kumar]

100%. I never appreciated this until I saw my friends and family who are non-IT struggle to find employment. My husband and I had job options to choose from, from our first week of landing. Not so for my friends who are Lawyers, Pharmacists, Lecturers, Accountants etc and very successful where there came from.

Tech isn't a regulated industry so it's easy to switch over from one country to another. For accountants working in audit, they'll throw out the red carpet because the accounting industry, specially in audit, is very hot in Canada right now and there aren't enough people to fill those jobs. I know this because I work for the industry. Pay has increased by almost 30% to 40%. For regulated professions like Lawyers and Doctors, from a nation's point of view, it doesn't make sense for them to recognise foreign credentials because each country has its own laws and regulations. If a lawyer from Canada went to Pakistan, it wouldn't make sense for Pakistan to recognise their law degree since it has nothing to do with the legal system of Pakistan. The same goes for Medicine as well. Medical practices and regulations vary from country to country. The medical standards in Pakistan aren't the same as those found in Canada. It works both ways. What the government could do is to not accept immigrants from these professions or find a way to enable them to access bridging programs. The new occupation specific draws could actually help alleviate this problem. They just need to replicate the Australian immigration system.

 

[dankboi]

aloh everyone

been away cus i was too lazy to plug my pc and log in here. now in London, ON. 2 weeks ago reached here.
thanks @Impatient Dankaroo reminding me to log back here

 

[seadrag0n]

Not so for my friends who are Lawyers, Pharmacists, Lecturers, Accountants etc and very successful where there came from.

Aren't all of these professions licensed and regulated up the ***?

 

[GandiBaat]

Corporate and I-Banking is already desirable for Canadians where there's plenty of talent. Why would banks require Mahmoud from Pakistan to do the job

Let me rephrase it or rather turn it around its head : Why will banks avoid Mahmoud from Pakistan just because he is from Pakistan?

 

[GandiBaat]

Aren't all of these professions licensed and regulated up the ***?

EGBC folks visited my employer as well. They were talking about P.Eng in Software Engineering and why should industry only employ P.Eng software engineers. Needless to say, we shoo'ed them away. It already takes about an year to replace and rehire a senior software engineer.

 

[seadrag0n]

EGBC folks visited my employer as well. They were talking about P.Eng in Software Engineering and why should industry only employ P.Eng software engineers. Needless to say, we shoo'ed them away. It already takes about an year to replace and rehire a senior software engineer.

What reason did they give?

 

[GandiBaat]

What reason did they give?

- Verification of credentials. (Indeed!)
- Compliance with forthcoming government regulations if we want to sell our products and services to the government (we do not).
- Quality of skills. (Yeah, totally . Our interview process is much more robust than whatever beaurocratic crap these folks can cook up.)
- Fraud prevention. (We have a pretty good background check, outsourced to one of the best agency)
- Upholding local laws. (My employer is a "at will" employer, so it means nadda. They will rather hire lawyers)
- Standardization. We cann't standardize a build system for Java in our industry and there are many options available and here are these folks who tell us that all the EGBC Professional Engineers will conform to standard sets of good known practices in software engineering. I guess they didn't get a memo on "Inspect and Adapt" philosophy in the industry.

 

[seadrag0n]

- Verification of credentials. (Indeed!)
- Compliance with forthcoming government regulations if we want to sell our products and services to the government (we do not).
- Quality of skills. (Yeah, totally . Our interview process is much more robust than whatever beaurocratic crap these folks can cook up.)
- Fraud prevention. (We have a pretty good background check, outsourced to one of the best agency)
- Upholding local laws. (My employer is a "at will" employer, so it means nadda. They will rather hire lawyers)
- Standardization. We cann't standardize a build system for Java in our industry and there are many options available and here are these folks who tell us that all the EGBC Professional Engineers will conform to standard sets of good known practices in software engineering. I guess they didn't get a memo on "Inspect and Adapt" philosophy in the industry.

Their website says just don't use "software engineer" in job title and they are good no matter what you do at your job lol

 

[GandiBaat]

Their website says just don't use "software engineer" in job title and they are good no matter what you do at your job lol

Exactly! Thats what their point was. If we want to say that we hire software engineers (or SDEs), we need to respect their "P.Eng" qualification. LOL!

They say, no one can call themselves "Engineers" unless they have been ordained by them because they hold trademark on the profession Engineer. They asked us that we will need to advertise our jobs as "Technologist" or something similar. Yeah sure! We asked them to bugger off.

Anyways, most of our job listings are on job portal outside of Canada, even if we are recruiting for Canada. If they bug us with lawyers, we will just tell them that the job listing is in USA but we are flexible about hiring people in Canada too. Good luck for them to get linkedin banned in Canada or stop google in Canada.

 

[wonderbly]

Aren't all of these professions licensed and regulated up the ***?

Most are..but what about lecturers? I am not sure if it's the same for the rest of Canada, but here in SK, it seems like only people from a certain continent/region are hired as lecturers and they only bring their 'people' on board for new positions and seasonal openings .

 

[Alysson]

aloh everyone

been away cus i was too lazy to plug my pc and log in here. now in London, ON. 2 weeks ago reached here.
thanks @Impatient Dankaroo reminding me to log back here

What made you move? I was in London when I first landed and came to Windsor. Might go to London again since it’s bigger and a bit closer to other larger cities, as compared to this place.