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Pakistani Applicants waiting for PPR (Stage 1 or 2 letters) from CHC London

Twisties12

Star Member
Sep 26, 2012
59
1
Dear Friends,

I sent PPs to Islamabad through TCS yesterday at 11:30 pm. They said it will be delivered next day till 2 -3:00 pm. But still now when i track the shipment. It says scheduled to be dilevered. it like this since afternoon. I talked to them and they said the docs must have been dilevered but its has not been updated. They said it will update at night or tommorow morning.

Pls Suggest.

Thanks.
 

WAY

Hero Member
Mar 1, 2010
513
12
Pakistan
Category........
Visa Office......
London
NOC Code......
9212
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
Feb 22, 2010
Doc's Request.
April 06, 2010
AOR Received.
Aug 13, 2010
IELTS Request
Already done
File Transfer...
May 22, 2012
Med's Request
April 09, 2014 (Re-med)
Med's Done....
May 02, 2014 (Re-med)
Interview........
Hopefully Waived
Passport Req..
PPR-1 (May 13, 2014), PPR-2 (Jun 11, 2014
VISA ISSUED...
Jun 27, 2014
LANDED..........
Nov 2014, Permanent landing not decided yet
Sure dear:
Last month i went to SP office to renew my license. I also checked for "authentication letter". In the back row of main offices their is record section, adjacent to this section is desired office (i don't remember the exact room no. but its the corner room). All you have to do is to take your original license with you, they will give you a form. Fill it and give it to them, they will issue you letter then & there. There is no Fee for getting verification letter.

waqar333 said:
Can someone guide me please, how can I get authentication letter of my driving license from Lahore City Traffic Police ???
 

alhassan

Hero Member
Sep 26, 2011
332
1
Category........
Visa Office......
london
NOC Code......
family class
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
Nov 2011
Doc's Request.
march 2012
Nomination.....
oct 2011
AOR Received.
feb 2012
IELTS Request
march 2012
Med's Request
20 nov 2012
Med's Done....
07 Dec 2012
Passport Req..
PPR1. 25 feb 2013,,PPR2.14 March 2013 Decision made. 17 March 2013
VISA ISSUED...
28 march 2013
LANDED..........
April 2013 ALhamduLLiulah
With the blessings and help of ALLAH Almighty i received PPR2,wish everyone best of luck and keep hope and faith in ALLAH
 

waqar333

Hero Member
Jun 25, 2012
238
5
Lahore
Category........
Visa Office......
LVO
NOC Code......
4151
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
14-Oct-2011
Doc's Request.
9-July-12
AOR Received.
6-Jan-12
IELTS Request
Already Submitted
Med's Request
9-Oct-12
Med's Done....
22-Oct-12
Interview........
N/A
Passport Req..
PPR-1:21-Nov-2012. PPR-2:6-Mar-13
VISA ISSUED...
12-March-2013
LANDED..........
23 April 2013
WAY said:
Sure dear:
Last month i went to SP office to renew my license. I also checked for "authentication letter". In the back row of main offices their is record section, adjacent to this section is desired office (i don't remember the exact room no. but its the corner room). All you have to do is to take your original license with you, they will give you a form. Fill it and give it to them, they will issue you letter then & there. There is no Fee for getting verification letter.
Thanks Dear way
 

waqar333

Hero Member
Jun 25, 2012
238
5
Lahore
Category........
Visa Office......
LVO
NOC Code......
4151
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
14-Oct-2011
Doc's Request.
9-July-12
AOR Received.
6-Jan-12
IELTS Request
Already Submitted
Med's Request
9-Oct-12
Med's Done....
22-Oct-12
Interview........
N/A
Passport Req..
PPR-1:21-Nov-2012. PPR-2:6-Mar-13
VISA ISSUED...
12-March-2013
LANDED..........
23 April 2013
alhassan said:
With the blessings and help of ALLAH Almighty i received PPR2,wish everyone best of luck and keep hope and faith in ALLAH
Congrats dear alhassan
 

novie

Star Member
Feb 15, 2012
78
0
phdmaker said:
Anyone would like to advise that whether old paper Canadian currency notes of 100 & 50 will ever expire like in Pakistan, old Pak rupee notes get expired and need to be changed with new ones.

I'm curious to know as I've some Canadian currency in above mentioned dollar notes.

Thanks.
Google it. You will get hundreds of articles on this subject.
 

phdmaker

Hero Member
Jan 11, 2010
860
42
Category........
Visa Office......
London
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
novie said:
Google it. You will get hundreds of articles on this subject.
Yeah, I did & found no expiry issues with old Canadian dollar notes back to 1935 issue date.
 

mmkhan2013

Member
Jan 29, 2013
17
0
dear waqar many many congratulations to got your visa. please keep in contact. i am still wating PPR2. which city is you planning to go can you share?
 

samar123

Hero Member
Jan 5, 2011
250
7
Category........
Visa Office......
London
NOC Code......
4152
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
02-05-2011
AOR Received.
08-06-2011
File Transfer...
11-07-2011 In process: 8-6-2012
Med's Request
14-7-2012
Med's Done....
6-8-2012 Delivered to LVO: 21-8-12
Interview........
Waived
Passport Req..
PPR1: 15-3-2013 PPR2: 25-3-2013
My Dear friends, I have a news to share with all of you
By the Grace of my Jesus Christ and prayers of my parents, family, friends and all forum members I got my PPR1 today from JMR.
I just burst into tears after reading that precious email.... I wish all of you this thrilling moment and pray for all of you that u all receive your dream email :) very soon. :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
P.S: My prayers are for every1 but at this time my heartiest prayers goes to KHIPAK n Nashe.........
 

2calgary

Hero Member
Jan 21, 2013
993
31
Ontario
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
samar123 said:
My Dear friends, I have a news to share with all of you
By the Grace of my Jesus Christ and prayers of my parents, family, friends and all forum members I got my PPR1 today from JMR.
I just burst into tears after reading that precious email.... I wish all of you this thrilling moment and pray for all of you that u all receive your dream email :) very soon. :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
P.S: My prayers are for every1 but at this time my heartiest prayers goes to KHIPAK n Nashe.........
congrates buddy
 

nawazwaleed

Member
Mar 15, 2013
12
0
Pakistan
Category........
Visa Office......
London
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
2004
IELTS Request
2012
Med's Request
Waiting
Med's Done....
Waiting
Interview........
Waiting
Passport Req..
Waiting
VISA ISSUED...
Waiting
LANDED..........
Waiting
Salam Everyone...
I applied for permanent residence in 2004...
In 2012 they asked me to submit some documents and then in September 2012 they asked me for IELTS test...
I submitted my IELTS...
Till February it was showing that application is "In Process" after few days instead of "In Process" (Just a blank space appeared) nothing was written there..
Today I tried to check my application status but it showed me nothing... Following message appeared...










"We were not able to identify you using the information you provided. There could be three possible reasons:

===>Please be sure the information you entered is correct and then try again.

===>This service is only available to clients with applications in process. We may have received your application but not begun processing it yet. The following link may help you determine if your application is being processed:
Application Processing Times

===>At this time, you may use this on-line service if you have:
sponsored a member of the family class;
applied for permanent residence from within or outside Canada;
applied for a permanent resident card (replacement or renewal);
applied for Canadian citizenship (grant of citizenship);
applied for Canadian citizenship for a person adopted by a Canadian citizen (on or after January 1, 1947);
applied for a citizenship certificate (proof of Canadian citizenship);
applied to renounce Canadian citizenship; or
applied to resume Canadian citizenship."
 

KhiPak

Star Member
May 4, 2010
152
63
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
#
Name
NOC
AppDte
Ecase
MI/VO
Med.D
PPR1
PPR2
Visa
MED
PPR1
PPR2
Visa
P.Time
V1
BRAVO2000
24Dec09
DMade
1/JMR
25Oct12
02Jan13
01Feb13
13Feb13
2Y4M12D
2M8D
30D
12D
3Y1M20D
V2
LOVE-PAKISTAN
07Dec10
DMade
1/None
26Sep12
21Nov12
11Jan13
13Feb13
1Y9M19D
1M26D
1M21D
1M2D
2Y2M6D
V3
SCW
25Jul11
DMade
3/None
25Jul12
02Jan13
30Jan13
13Feb13
9M3D
5M8D
28D
14D
1Y6M19D
V4
COLDFIRE
28Jan12
DMade
3/None
05Dec12
07Jan13
31Jan13
13Feb13
9M23D
1M2D
24D
13D
1Y16D
V5
KALIMORIAN
07Mar11
DMade
2/None
28Aug12
03Jan13
07Feb13
14Feb13
1Y5M21D
4M6D
1M4D
7D
1Y11M7D
V6
PINKFLOYD
10Mar11
DMade
2/None
17Jul12
03Jan13
01Feb13
14Feb13
1Y4M7D
5M17D
29D
13D
1Y11M4D
V7
SAQIBS2
07Dec11
DMade
2/None
30Oct12
20Dec12
29Jan13
14Feb13
10M23D
1M20D
1M9D
16D
1Y2M7D
V8
GORSI 116
26Nov09
DMade
1/None
15May12
11Jan13
08Feb13
15Feb13
1Y5M14D
7M27D
28D
7D
3Y2M20D
V9
SS1886
01Nov10
DMade
2/None
04Jan13
04Feb13
11Feb13
15Feb13
2Y2M3D
1M
7D
4D
2Y3M14D
V10
AZMAT
23Apr10
DMade
1/JMR
12Jun12
03Jan13
08Feb13
22Feb13
1Y9M19D
6M22D
1M5D
14D
2Y9M30D
V11
ALLOUSHMK
18Jan11
DMade
2/None
11Dec12
25Jan13
13Feb13
23Feb13
1Y10M23D
1M14D
19D
10D
2Y1M5D
V12
MIKCANADA
28Mar11
DMade
2/JMR
28Sep11
28Jan13
19Feb13
23Feb13
6M
1Y4M
22D
4D
1Y10M26D
15Nov12
2M13D
V13
KHANBABA2K10
22Dec09
DMade
1/JMR
20Mar12
24Jan13
22Feb13
02Mar13
2Y2M27D
10M4D
29D
8D
3Y2M8D
V14
OMERBM
31Jul09
DMade
1/None
20Nov12
30Jan13
22Feb13
06Mar13
3Y1M27D
2M10D
23D
12D
3Y7M3D
V15
COMING_TO_CANADA
12Nov10
DMade
2/None
04Sep12
30Oct12
19Feb13
06Mar13
1Y5M12D
1M26D
3M20D
15D
2Y3M22D
V16
WHITEKNIGHT101
09Nov11
DMade
1/None
02Aug12
03Jan13
07Feb13
06Mar13
8M24D
5M1D
1M4D
27D
1Y3M25D
V17
WAQAR333
28Oct11
DMade
2/KKB
22Oct12
21Nov12
06Mar13
12Mar13
3M13D
30D
3M13D
6D
1Y4M12D
V18
KADNAN
28Aug11
DMade
2/EFL
11May12
31Jan13
04Mar13
13Mar13
8M13D
8M20D
1M1D
9D
1Y6M13D
#
Name
NOC
AppDte
Ecase
MI/VO
Med.D
PPR1
PPR2
Visa
MED
PPR1
PPR2
Visa
Time
PP1
HSP402
20Mar10
DMade
1/LBM
04Jan13
05Mar13
05Mar13
Waiting
2Y9M15D
2M1D
12D
2Y11M25D
PP2
DHOKE
01Mar10
DMade
1/None
18Oct12
07Mar13
07Mar13
Waiting
2Y6M8D
4M17D
10D
3Y16D
PP3
BIRDS
28Oct09
Inprocs
1/None
28Jun12
07Feb13
09Mar13
Waiting
2Y8M
7M10D
1M2D
8D
3Y4M17D
PP4
PEACEFULL
28Oct09
Inprocs
1/None
20Nov12
01Feb13
11Mar13
Waiting
2Y9M4D
2M12D
1M10D
6D
3Y4M17D
PP5
TWISTIES12
01Jan10
Inprocs
1/None
15Oct12
08Jan13
11Mar13
Waiting
2Y9M14D
2M24D
2M3D
6D
3Y2M16D
PP6
IMMI3155
26Feb12
DMade
3/None
28Jan13
26Feb13
11Mar13
Waiting
11M2D
29D
13D
6D
1Y19D
PP7
ALHASSAN
01Nov11
Inprocs
3/None
07Dec12
25Feb13
14Mar13
Waiting
9M6D
2M18D
17D
3D
1Y4M16D
PP8
VIRGO77
*
Inprocs
*
18Dec12
20Feb13
14Mar13
Waiting
*
2M2D
22D
3D
*
#
Name
NOC
AppDte
Ecase
MI/VO
Med.D
PPR1
PPR2
Visa
MED
PPR1
PPR2
Visa
Time
P1
Y2ABID
01Dec09
DMade
1/NXR
17Sep12
02Jan13
Waiting
-
2Y5M16D
3M16D
2M15D
-
3Y3M16D
P2
SOMEY11
01Jan10
Inprocs
1/JMR
04Jun12
22Feb13
Waiting
-
2Y3M3D
8M18D
23D
-
3Y2M16D
P3
SWK
28Oct09
Inprocs
1/None
22Aug12
28Feb13
Waiting
-
2Y7M25D
6M6D
17D
-
3Y4M17D
P4
POSITRON
12Nov09
Inprocs
1/JMR
29Aug12
11Mar13
Waiting
-
2Y9M17D
6M10D
6D
-
3Y4M5D
P5
SAMAR123
02May11
Inprocs
2/JMR
06Aug12
15Mar13
Waiting
-
1Y3M4D
7M9D
2D
-
1Y10M15D
P6
TAWAKAL
27Jun11
Inprocs
2/JMR
16Jul12
15Mar13
Waiting
-
10M16D
7M27D
2D
-
1Y8M18D
#
Name
NOC
AppDte
Ecase
MI/VO
Med.D
PPR1
PPR2
Visa
MED
PPR1
CSI R.
CSI D.
Time
M1
TAHIR REHMAN
02Feb10
Inprocs
1/None
02Oct11
Waiting
-
-
1Y8M
1Y5M15D
*
*
3Y1M15D
M2
DROOZA
15Feb10
Inprocs
1/None
25Oct11
Waiting
-
-
1Y8M10D
1Y4M20D
B/G Chks
06Jan13
3Y1M2D
M3
BLESSINGS
21Oct09
Inprocs
1/LBM
01Mar12
Waiting
-
-
1Y11M3D
1Y16D
B/G Chks
*
3Y4M24D
M4
WALI
01Mar10
Inprocs
1/None
16Mar12
Waiting
-
-
2Y15D
1Y1D
B/G Chks
12Feb13
3Y16D
M5
SLEO
24Dec09
Inprocs
1/CKL
22Mar12
Waiting
-
-
1Y11M26D
11M23D
B/G Chks
16Jan13
3Y2M21D
M6
KHIPAK
03Feb10
Inprocs
1/JMR
04Apr12
Waiting
-
-
1Y11M11D
11M13D
B/G Chks
31Jan13
3Y1M14D
M7
SARFAROSH9349
20Aug09
Inprocs
1/RIH
10Apr12
Waiting
-
-
2Y13D
11M7D
B/G Chks
*
3Y6M25D
M8
CUT
12Sep09
Inprocs
1/Pretoria
16Apr12
Waiting
-
-
2Y5M21D
11M1D
B/G Chks
11Mar13
3Y6M5D
M9
MUHAMMADK
15Jul09
Inprocs
1/NMP
24Apr12
Waiting
-
-
2Y9M9D
10M21D
P. Review
08Jan13
3Y8M2D
M10
A_MANAN
01Jan10
Inprocs
1/JMR
11Jun12
Waiting
-
-
2Y5M10D
9M6D
P. Review
01Mar13
3Y2M16D
M11
PAWN
15Jun11
Inprocs
2/None
28Jul12
Waiting
-
-
1Y1M13D
7M17D
Med Rec
20Aug12
1Y9M2D
M12
COME-BY-CHANCE
13Jan12
Inprocs
3/NXR
22Aug12
Waiting
-
-
7M9D
6M23D
Med Rec
29Aug12
1Y2M4D
M13
TOOCARELESS1
30Dec10
Inprocs
1/None
30Aug12
Waiting
-
-
1Y5M20D
6M15D
*
*
2Y2M15D
M14
NASHE_31
26May11
Inprocs
2/NMP
08Sep12
Waiting
-
-
1Y3M13D
6M9D
P. Review
08Jan13
1Y9M19D
M15
ABID.HIMANI
01Jan10
Inprocs
1/None
30Sep12
Waiting
-
-
1Y9M29D
5M15D
*
*
3Y2M16D
M16
AAMIRDR
18Aug09
Inprocs
1/KKB
30Sep12
Waiting
-
-
2Y11M22D
5M15D
*
*
3Y6M27D
M17
SHAMSJALEEL
04Aug04
Inprocs
1/MCH
02Oct12
Waiting
-
-
10M22D
5M15D
*
*
8Y7M13D
31Jan13
1M14D
M18
MRKK
08Nov10
Inprocs
2/None
08Oct12
Waiting
-
-
11M
5M9D
*
*
2Y4M9D
M19
MIRZI
29Sep09
Inprocs
1/KKB
18Oct12
Waiting
-
-
3Y19D
4M27D
*
*
3Y5M16D
M20
PA5510N
28Dec09
Inprocs
1/None
05Nov12
Waiting
-
-
2Y8M8D
4M12D
*
*
3Y2M17D
M21
GEN. GUDU
18Apr11
Inprocs
3/None
11Nov12
Waiting
-
-
1Y6M24D
4M6D
P. Review
27Nov12
1Y10M27D
M22
PROSPECTIVE
24Sep09
Inprocs
1/None
15Nov12
Waiting
-
-
2Y11M23D
4M2D
*
*
3Y5M21D
M23
SUNASIR
05Dec09
Inprocs
1/None
15Nov12
Waiting
-
-
2Y11M4D
4M2D
*
*
3Y3M12D
M24
KASHIF79
28Oct09
Inprocs
1/None
28Nov12
Waiting
-
-
2Y6M
3M17D
*
*
3Y4M17D
M25
ATTIYA
28Feb09
Inprocs
1/KKB
28Nov12
Waiting
-
-
3Y9M
3M17D
Med Rec
09Jan13
4Y17D
M26
HAMNAWA
26Jul10
Inprocs
1/None
11Dec12
Waiting
-
-
2Y4M15D
3M6D
*
*
2Y7M19D
M27
OVAIS
25Aug11
Inprocs
3/None
20Dec12
Waiting
-
-
1Y3M25D
2M25D
*
*
1Y6M20D
M28
ASHRAFBWN
02Mar10
Inprocs
1/NMP
21Dec12
Waiting
-
-
2Y4M19D
2M24D
*
*
3Y15D
M29
MMAJID282
28Mar11
Inprocs
3/None
24Dec12
Waiting
-
-
4M6D
2M21D
*
*
1Y11M17D
M30
AAWAN
23Jan12
Inprocs
3/None
09Jan13
Waiting
-
-
11M17D
2M8D
Med Rec
02Feb13
1Y1M22D
M31
WAY
22Feb10
Inprocs
1/None
21Jan13
Waiting
-
-
2Y9M15D
1M24D
*
*
3Y23D
M32
HOPE786
08Aug11
Inprocs
2/None
30Jan13
Waiting
-
-
1Y2M14D
1M15D
Med Rec
22Feb13
1Y7M9D
M33
PHDMAKER
17Mar10
Inprocs
1/None
04Feb13
Waiting
-
-
2Y8M22D
1M13D
*
*
3Y
M34
SSAANSARI
08Jul11
Inprocs
3/JMR
26Feb13
Waiting
-
-
1Y4M27D
19D
*
*
1Y8M9D
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Tawakal

Star Member
Jul 6, 2011
156
3
Saudi Arabia
Category........
Visa Office......
London
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
27/06/2011
Doc's Request.
N/A
AOR Received.
30/08/2011
IELTS Request
Sent with application
File Transfer...
30/08/2011
Med's Request
22/06/2012
Med's Done....
16/07/2012
Interview........
Waived
Passport Req..
15/03/2013
VISA ISSUED...
5/04/2013
LANDED..........
June,2013
Dear KhiPak kindly add me to your list


Alhamdullilah, after waiting for 8 months by the grace of Allah and prayers of my parents, I received PPR from JMR in my email. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
I wish all of those waiting good luck,speedy and smooth process.
Thanks for the great support provided by forum friends all the time.
Thanks again, :)
 

samar123

Hero Member
Jan 5, 2011
250
7
Category........
Visa Office......
London
NOC Code......
4152
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
02-05-2011
AOR Received.
08-06-2011
File Transfer...
11-07-2011 In process: 8-6-2012
Med's Request
14-7-2012
Med's Done....
6-8-2012 Delivered to LVO: 21-8-12
Interview........
Waived
Passport Req..
PPR1: 15-3-2013 PPR2: 25-3-2013
Tawakal said:
Dear KhiPak kindly add me to your list


Alhamdullilah, after waiting for 8 months by the grace of Allah and prayers of my parents, I received PPR from JMR in my email. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
I wish all of those waiting good luck,speedy and smooth process.
Thanks for the great support provided by forum friends all the time.
Thanks again, :)
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Bohat Bohat Mubariiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiik ho ap ko. :) :) :) :) Atlast JMR fulfilled his words this time :D :D :D