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Hey people. I worked for 26.25 hours from August 19th, 2016 to November 30th 2016. From December 1, 2016 to present, I have been working full time of about 37.5 hours a week. I was wondering if you could please help me the calculation of hours, and whether I am eligible to apply in CEC. I am quite confused because I consulted an immigration lawyer and he suggested that I need full time of work experience and anything less than 30 hours will be counted as part time, which means my 15 weeks of part time work (@26.25 hours) will be merely counted as 7.5 Full time week. Please help me. Thanks
To simplify-August 19 2016 to November 30 2016 (15 WEEKS) at 26.25 hours. And if i add up hours it comes to 393.75 hours total
From December 1 2016 to present (which will be 40 weeks), I have worked 37.5 hours full time.
 

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My understanding is you need to have worked a minimum of 1560 hours in a two year period which you have. In your latest period of employment if you work 2 more weeks you will also have enough. So I would start your CEC application now.
 

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My understanding is you need to have worked a minimum of 1560 hours in a two year period which you have. In your latest period of employment if you work 2 more weeks you will also have enough. So I would start your CEC application now.
No, your understanding is wrong.

Hey people. I worked for 26.25 hours from August 19th, 2016 to November 30th 2016. From December 1, 2016 to present, I have been working full time of about 37.5 hours a week. I was wondering if you could please help me the calculation of hours, and whether I am eligible to apply in CEC. I am quite confused because I consulted an immigration lawyer and he suggested that I need full time of work experience and anything less than 30 hours will be counted as part time, which means my 15 weeks of part time work (@26.25 hours) will be merely counted as 7.5 Full time week. Please help me. Thanks
To simplify-August 19 2016 to November 30 2016 (15 WEEKS) at 26.25 hours. And if i add up hours it comes to 393.75 hours total
From December 1 2016 to present (which will be 40 weeks), I have worked 37.5 hours full time.
Calculate your full time equivalent weeks. (26.25 hours / 30 hours) x 15 weeks = 13.125 FTE weeks

You have 40 weeks of full time experience from December 1 onwards. Add the two together. 40 + 13.125 = 53.125 weeks of experience. If that number is larger than 52 (which it is, obviously), you are good to apply.
 

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No, your understanding is wrong.



Calculate your full time equivalent weeks. (26.25 hours / 30 hours) x 15 weeks = 13.125 FTE weeks

You have 40 weeks of full time experience from December 1 onwards. Add the two together. 40 + 13.125 = 53.125 weeks of experience. If that number is larger than 52 (which it is, obviously), you are good to apply.
If you do not have fixed hour contract and hour vary week to week how would the calculation be made?
 

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If you do not have fixed hour contract and hour vary week to week how would the calculation be made?

Depends.

If you have 30 or more hours per week, then it is simply full-time, you do not need to count hours, you just need to work 52 weeks.

If you have fewer than 30 hours per week (and are part-time), then you simply add up the hours and divide by 30 - that will give you the number of full-time equivalent weeks.

If you have a combination of full and part-time weeks - you can
(a) count the full-time weeks, calculate the FTE of part-time work, and add together; or
(b) add up all your weeks, divide by 30 - but you cannot count more than 30 hours per week.

Example:

week 1: worked 20 hours - count 20 hours
week 2: worked 35 hours - count 30 hours
week 3: worked 15 hours, count 15 hours
week 4: worked 50 hours, count 30 hours

Worked 120 hours but can count 95 / 30 = 3.12 FTE weeks (always round down, 3 weeks).

You will obviously need records of the hours you worked.
 

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Depends.

If you have 30 or more hours per week, then it is simply full-time, you do not need to count hours, you just need to work 52 weeks.

If you have fewer than 30 hours per week (and are part-time), then you simply add up the hours and divide by 30 - that will give you the number of full-time equivalent weeks.

If you have a combination of full and part-time weeks - you can
(a) count the full-time weeks, calculate the FTE of part-time work, and add together; or
(b) add up all your weeks, divide by 30 - but you cannot count more than 30 hours per week.

Example:

week 1: worked 20 hours - count 20 hours
week 2: worked 35 hours - count 30 hours
week 3: worked 15 hours, count 15 hours
week 4: worked 50 hours, count 30 hours

Worked 120 hours but can count 95 / 30 = 3.12 FTE weeks (always round down, 3 weeks).

You will obviously need records of the hours you worked.
Thanks - That could create a ptoblem as all my employers provided payslips for two week periods.
Are IRCC likely to ask for weekly breakdown of hours?
Do you also round down part weeks on full time employments?

I have reviewed my part time employment using both methods you suggest on the payslips I have and the number of weeks has reduced by about 20% using either method due to high fluctuations in my hours week to week.
This I think will make whether I actually had 1 year of work experience at the time I submiited the EE profile and received ITA marginal.
I am considering declining my ITA as I am now in a more regular job and have definitely got the 12months experience. Obviously this is a risk dependant on the timing and point thresholds in the next draws. The last 5 draws have been below my points. I think if I decline my profile gets put back in the pool immediately is that correct?
 

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I,m in the same boat.My understanding is that if you have worked more than 1560 hours and employment lasted the minimum of 52 weeks, You will be fine.Information on the website is ambiguous.
However, it would be extremely hard to keep the minimum of 30 hours consistent if you don,t have guaranteed hours contract.in my case.
I have worked some weeks 40 or even more than hours but in few weeks 26 or 28 weeks.My understanding is as long as an average week you have the accumulation of 30 hours; that should be fine.
 

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Depends.

If you have 30 or more hours per week, then it is simply full-time, you do not need to count hours, you just need to work 52 weeks.

If you have fewer than 30 hours per week (and are part-time), then you simply add up the hours and divide by 30 - that will give you the number of full-time equivalent weeks.

If you have a combination of full and part-time weeks - you can
(a) count the full-time weeks, calculate the FTE of part-time work, and add together; or
(b) add up all your weeks, divide by 30 - but you cannot count more than 30 hours per week.

Example:

week 1: worked 20 hours - count 20 hours
week 2: worked 35 hours - count 30 hours
week 3: worked 15 hours, count 15 hours
week 4: worked 50 hours, count 30 hours

Worked 120 hours but can count 95 / 30 = 3.12 FTE weeks (always round down, 3 weeks).

You will obviously need records of the hours you worked.
No, your understanding is wrong.



Calculate your full time equivalent weeks. (26.25 hours / 30 hours) x 15 weeks = 13.125 FTE weeks

You have 40 weeks of full time experience from December 1 onwards. Add the two together. 40 + 13.125 = 53.125 weeks of experience. If that number is larger than 52 (which it is, obviously), you are good to apply.
Dear @adaytoremember and @jes_ON Thanks! I was wondering how shall I get the reference letter? Should both the experience, (26.25 hours, which was 0.7FTE and the full time later on) can be on the same reference letter? It was the same job, under the same position and the same place. Only I was given a full time offer from December while before I was working part time. Or shall I ask for separate reference letters for each?
 

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Thanks - That could create a ptoblem as all my employers provided payslips for two week periods.

If your hours fluctuate, if you are paid an hourly wage, and if you have bi-weekly paystubs, then you would need 60 hours every 2 weeks to be considered "full time." Hope that helps. This would be the kind of case where it would be a benefit to provide all paystubs.

Are IRCC likely to ask for weekly breakdown of hours?

Not if you don't give them a reason to. Main reason to ask would be inadequate or inconsistent documentation.

Overall, the documentation you provide has to be consistent. IRCC will check what your employer says in the letter (hours worked per week * hourly wage * # of weeks), and then compare it to your supporting documents. If they are consistent (doesn't have to be exact, but reasonably close), no worries. If you ended up making a bit more than what your employer says, that is fine. But if you earned a lot less than what your employer said, then you might have problems.


Do you also round down part weeks on full time employments?

??? Once you work over 30 hours in a given week, you can count it as a full-time week.

But generally, yes, round down.

 
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Hi Thanks for all your replies.
I have just spoken to a Canadian Visa Law firm who have told me that the calculations for part time work that you suggested won't work.

They say you need to have worked a minimum of 30 hours in each week for it to qualify.
i.e either Job A (full time) 30hours or more - one qualifying week
or Job B(part time) 20hours + Job C(part time) 10hours in the same week - one qualifying week
But B 20hours week 1 + JobB 10hours week 2 - Does not equate to one qualifying week

This does not seem correct if you look at CIC page which includes:

Your experience must be at least
  • 12 months of full-time work
    • 30 hours/week for 12 months = 1 year full time (1,560 hours), OR
  • equal amount in part-time hours, such as:
    • 15 hours/week for 24 months = 1 year full time (1,560 hours)
    • 30 hours/week for 12 months at more than one job = 1 year full time (1,560 hours)
Any comments would be much appreciated.
I suggest you immediately stop talking to that "Canadian Visa Law firm" because they obviously don't have a clue what they're talking about.

We've already stated the CORRECT information in this thread, no need to write it out again.
 

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Hi Thanks for all your replies.
I have just spoken to a Canadian Visa Law firm who have told me that the calculations for part time work that you suggested won't work.

They say you need to have worked a minimum of 30 hours in each week for it to qualify.
i.e either Job A (full time) 30hours or more - one qualifying week
or Job B(part time) 20hours + Job C(part time) 10hours in the same week - one qualifying week
But B 20hours week 1 + JobB 10hours week 2 - Does not equate to one qualifying week

This does not seem correct if you look at CIC page which includes:

Your experience must be at least
  • 12 months of full-time work
    • 30 hours/week for 12 months = 1 year full time (1,560 hours), OR
  • equal amount in part-time hours, such as:
    • 15 hours/week for 24 months = 1 year full time (1,560 hours)
    • 30 hours/week for 12 months at more than one job = 1 year full time (1,560 hours)
Any comments would be much appreciated.
They are idiots.
 
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I have just spoken to a Canadian Visa Law firm who have told me that the calculations for part time work that you suggested won't work.

They say you need to have worked a minimum of 30 hours in each week for it to qualify.

This is not correct. IRCC has long accepted the full-time equivalent of part-time work, which is by definition, fewer than 30 hours per week. It is in black and white on the IRCC website. Of course, it will take longer than one calendar year to qualify using part-time work.

Drop the firm, they don't know what they're doing (sadly, not uncommon)...

 

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Depends.

If you have 30 or more hours per week, then it is simply full-time, you do not need to count hours, you just need to work 52 weeks.

If you have fewer than 30 hours per week (and are part-time), then you simply add up the hours and divide by 30 - that will give you the number of full-time equivalent weeks.

If you have a combination of full and part-time weeks - you can
(a) count the full-time weeks, calculate the FTE of part-time work, and add together; or
(b) add up all your weeks, divide by 30 - but you cannot count more than 30 hours per week.

Example:

week 1: worked 20 hours - count 20 hours
week 2: worked 35 hours - count 30 hours
week 3: worked 15 hours, count 15 hours
week 4: worked 50 hours, count 30 hours

Worked 120 hours but can count 95 / 30 = 3.12 FTE weeks (always round down, 3 weeks).

You will obviously need records of the hours you worked.
Many thanks. Could you tell me if you have had a number of full and part time jobs. Are the part week hours left over after the rounding down disregarded after each job or can they be carried over to the next job? This will make around 2 weeks worth of difference in my situation.
 

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Many thanks. Could you tell me if you have had a number of full and part time jobs.

Me personally? No. But at the time I applied, full-time was defined as 37.5 hours per week, while my contract specified "at least 33.75 hours per week" - which made me part-time in the eyes of CIC. (It was later changed to 30 hours per week, not because of me, personally, but because there are a few provinces that define it as 30 hours per week). So, yes, I had to count my work experience like part-time work.

Are the part week hours left over after the rounding down disregarded after each job or can they be carried over to the next job? This will make around 2 weeks worth of difference in my situation.

Well, 2 weeks by themselves are meaningless - does it make a difference in the number of years / points you get? Does it make a difference in being eligible, or not? If no, don't worry about it.

If yes - then you are cutting it very close and (if possible), should consider working a couple of extra weeks just to give yourself a buffer. If that's not possible, then I would count the cumulative number of weeks and round down (e.g. 2.5 weeks + 18.8 weeks = 21 weeks).
 

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Thanks. I have two things I am trying to pin down.
1) A mixture of previous part time and full time employment with a number of employers.
2) Two previous jobs with highly variable hours each week, between zero and 50 hours per week.

So although I have worked over 1900 hours in total to date, due to discarding hours over 30 hours per week and ignoring part weeks at the end of all the jobs my qualifying hours are now around 1560. I am working full time at the moment and aiming to have a margin of 2-4 weeks prior to submitting my profile. So the 60 hours will as you say only make two weeks difference but I would like to get my profile in as soon as I have a safe margin.