WEC - ECA for only PhD or all previous educations?

[jojee2k6]

Dear All,

I am thinking to apply for CIC EE. I am from Pakistan, but having PhD from Italy. Following details:

- Matric + Intermediate + BS (IT) + MS (IT) = From Pakistan
- PhD (IT) = From Italy

I would appreciate, if you enlighten me about below queries:

1- For WES ECA, Do I need to get ECA for only my final PhD degree from Italy or all the previous degrees as well?
2- For my Spouse: Do I also need to get ECA for her all degrees, which are: MBA, BS(IT), Intermediate, Matric?

We both are currently in Italy, so from here, I can get sealed envelope from my Italian University for my PhD degree, but for the rest, kindly advise me.

I will firstly get ECA done, then will launch application on CIC under EE profile.

Kindly advice.

Thanks!

 

[dell2]

You can get it from Bachelor onward.
http://www.wes.org/ca/required/index.asp

higher education
All documents listed below are required.

Required Documents

1) Clear, legible photocopies of all diplomas or degree certificates issued by the institution attended e.g. Laurea, Diploma di Specialista, Master Universitario, Dottorato

AND To be submitted to WES by applicant.


2) Academic transcripts issued by the institutions attended for all post-secondary programs of study.

NOTE:
For completed programs, a European Diploma Supplement issued in English is preferred and will expedite the evaluation process.

To be sent directly to WES by the institutions attended.
Download the academic records request form.


3) For completed doctoral programs, a letter confirming the awarding of the degree To be sent directly to WES by the institutions attended.

Download the academic records request form.


4) Translations

Precise, word-for-word English or French translations from your university or any certified translation service.

For certified translation, you may contact COSTI Languages Bureau or any other professional translation service.


The applicant must send legible photocopies of all foreign language documents for all items noted above.

Do not send original translation documents as they cannot be returned.

 

[jojee2k6]

Thank you for your valuable response. Infact, question raised in my mind with logical argument, why I needed back-track ECA for all my previous educations, if already I have highest level of education (PhD)? May be ECA of previous educations would contribute to CRS points. Here's the situation, as presently, I am in Italy I can easily get sealed envelope from Italy University, I have following docs available:

1. Clear legible copy of PhD Diploma (Italian version) – I have it.
2. Translation Copy of PhD Diploma (English Version) – translation in progress.
3. Copy of PhD Transcript (both English & Italian Version - I have them), serves as also degree completion certificate.
4. PhD Diploma Supplement (English version), I have that too.

Now question is if I do need to process my Bachelors and Masters degrees, then I have to remotely initiate the process for Pakistan, while being here in Italy, which is quite a hectic. Secondly, would WES would accept my application without SSC and HSSC attestation (sealed envelopes)? Would excluding SSC and HSSC be acceptable by WES to evaluate my Bachelors and Masters educations and any effect in contributing to the CRS scores?

Kindly advice me, what should I do, though you already explained very well?

 

[Bobbieleigh]

You need to assess your highest degree only, in your case PhD.

 

[dell2]

In order to find correct Canadian Equivalency of your education, i think they need access to all your previous educational docs.
You can try sending Phd docs only and meanwhile collect others, if they ask for it you can send them.

 

[jojee2k6]

Here's confusion, If I need to assess highest degree only, would it impact on low scores (excluding previous educations) later? As I have read this
"Proving all your education, and not just what might be deemed the highest level, can be important in this regard."

Secondly, another doubt, may be later while I would receive ITA, then at that stage, do I need to get ECA for all my previous educations from Pakistan, consider I do ECA for Italian degree now?

Unfortunately, I find no exact answer and feel dubious as a newbie, limited information on WES website as well and no way to contact them.

You need to assess your highest degree only, in your case PhD.

 

[jojee2k6]

Meanwhile collecting others is quite a hectic, as unfortunately, I have to visit Pakistan myself to get it processed from Higher Education Commission and Secondary/Higher Secondary Boards. Yet even, not sure, either SSC and HSSC as well needed to be assessed or only the bachelors and masters?

Moreover, one would go through all process, only if all degrees assessment contribute to raise in points, otherwise, highest degree (PhD) has also 25 points already? Kindly advice.

In order to find correct Canadian Equivalency of your education, i think they need access to all your previous educational docs.
You can try sending Phd docs only and meanwhile collect others, if they ask for it you can send them.

 

[jojee2k6]

I checked WEC link for 'Required Academic Documents' by selecting 'Pakistan' as country. Unfortunately, it's written there for Pakistan, SSC and HSSC Required for all evaluations, to assess bachelors and masters, which is again a big hectic. So, as @dell2 mentioned, eventhough I pursue ECA for Bachelors and Masters, I can not exclude SSC and HSSC, as it's mandatory for Pakistan. I don't know, only PhD ECA enough or all others. stucked!

 

[dell2]

Meanwhile collecting others is quite a hectic, as unfortunately, I have to visit Pakistan myself to get it processed from Higher Education Commission and Secondary/Higher Secondary Boards. Yet even, not sure, either SSC and HSSC as well needed to be assessed or only the bachelors and masters?

Moreover, one would go through all process, only if all degrees assessment contribute to raise in points, otherwise, highest degree (PhD) has also 25 points already? Kindly advice.

when i ordered mine from CA i wrote a letter stating please issue my father Academic Transcripts on behalf of me (Call + email them also), you can try this route ?

You'll get points for phd only, So you can start with phd only for now.

Or you can email WES and see what they say ? Most likely they'll require all as mentioned.

 

[jojee2k6]

Thanks for sharing the experience, I need to check in Pakistan, if they would be able to do by Authority Letter. One thing sure now, I can not start from Bachelors, rather I would be needed from SSC-> HSSC -> Bachelors -> Masters (as compulsory for Pakistan).

Regarding, points I have question here:
- With PhD only, I get 25 points in CRS. But with PhD + previous all educations, would I be getting more points?

Further will contact in Pakistan SSC/HSSC boards and HEC, hopefully come up with solution.

when i ordered mine from CA i wrote a letter stating please issue my father Academic Transcripts on behalf of me (Call + email them also), you can try this route ?

You'll get points for phd only, So you can start with phd only for now.

Or you can email WES and see what they say ? Most likely they'll require all as mentioned.

 

[dell2]

Regarding, points I have question here:
- With PhD only, I get 25 points in CRS. But with PhD + previous all educations, would I be getting more points?

I wish it was like that lol Unfortunately NO. You will get points for phd only. Previous education is for Assessment only.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/eca-conversion.asp

 

[jojee2k6]

Yes, I guessed so excuse my stupid question, but it's yet doesn't make sense, how can a person do valid PhD without passing through previous phases.
If I can get highest scores only on basis of my PhD ECA, then why I need to initiate back-track process as pre-requisite. Nonetheless, I will check with some agent, or with higher education commission in Pakistan and also will check with board of higher secondary education, hope will come up with some solution.

Meanwhile, I am not initiating WES process, I would do processing for my previous degrees, then will submit fee to WES to get WES reference no. and to dispatch them all sealed envelopes myself.

After ECA done, I will create profile on CIC to instantiate the EE profile.

But yet I got no final response about ECA for previous degrees only or PhD, I hope someone here would give me response, for further assurance.

Thanks to all of you for the response, I await further responses and thanks you all in anticipation!

 

[mohsin137]

Yes, I guessed so excuse my stupid question, but it's yet doesn't make sense, how can a person do valid PhD without passing through previous phases.
If I can get highest scores only on basis of my PhD ECA, then why I need to initiate back-track process as pre-requisite. Nonetheless, I will check with some agent, or with higher education commission in Pakistan and also will check with board of higher secondary education, hope will come up with some solution.

Meanwhile, I am not initiating WES process, I would do processing for my previous degrees, then will submit fee to WES to get WES reference no. and to dispatch them all sealed envelopes myself.

After ECA done, I will create profile on CIC to instantiate the EE profile.

But yet I got no final response about ECA for previous degrees only or PhD, I hope someone here would give me response, for further assurance.

Thanks to all of you for the response, I await further responses and thanks you all in anticipation!

Did u find any solution?
I got PhD from Malaysia and all previous degrees are from Pakistan.
Would i add and submit all to the WES?

 

[ramandeepbedi]

Has Anyone got the ECA apart from PhD? What is the current situation