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Sharing our experience re dependents, refusal, rehabilitation etc.

chelseam

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May 20, 2018
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Hi everyone,

I've been checking this forum on and off since 2012, so I thought it was time to give back. Especially now that we await the final stages of a fresh pr application for my husband. If he's refused again, I probably won't feel like writing all this. So now is the time. And hopefully this will help others, who may be searching for info, now or in the future.

I'm Canadian (born in Vancouver), and met my soul mate while living in Japan. He was from Peru. We fell madly in love. I was teaching English and he was a very hard working painter and decorator. He is the most gentle, kindest person you will ever meet. But he had two complicated situations.

He had entered Japan with a fake passport. Actually, few people know this history, but tens of thousands of Peruvians did so. In the late 80s and early 90s Peru was in a state of severe economic crisis and terrorism. Everyone wanted to get out and work abroad. At the same time, Japan opened its doors to Japanese descendants in South America, to work in the factories and other labour jobs. Peru is a very corrupt country, and before the government took control of identities, digitally, it was easy peasy to create fake birth certificates, passports etc. by paying off officials. Nikkei families themselves participated in the scams, as they needed money, just like everyone else. So suddenly you had adults being "adopted" by families. Either they made up new identities (registering fake births in town halls, going back in time), or they lent the identity of a family member who couldn't travel to Japan. Both options came with a hefty fee of course, from the families and from officials. Local recruiters also made tons of money by financing peoples' airfares to Japan and taking money from their paychecks every month for a long time. It was beneficial to all. I DO NOT CONDONE THIS AT ALL!!! Please, I do not want any criticism. I'm just trying to help others.

Soon after I met him, he told me his situation. He was still legal at the time. I was in total, complete shock. It even turned me off from our friendship. But he was such a good guy and our feelings were too strong, that I couldn't help but fall in love. Around that time, he was called in by immigration. They had discovered that he was fake, and ordered him to leave, on his own accord. He asked me to move to Peru with him but I said no way. I barely knew him (6 ish months), and I was happy with my job and life in Japan. So he decided to stay, to be with me, and to continue to support his daughters and parents in Peru.

Which brings me to the other complication. He was separated, but still married. She was in Peru. His relationship was a disaster (yes, some women can be abusive), and his wife was demanding the divorce. But because he was with a fake identity, he couldn't do anything.

In the next few years I regularly visited lawyers, trying to find a solution. A way for him to regularize his situation in Japan once he could rectify his identity and we could get married. Once all legal and living correctly in Japan, I wanted to move with him and our son to Canada. Yes, our son was born in Japan while he was illegal, despite him trying to convince me to move to Peru. I was terrified because a close friend had recently been robbed at gun point and almost killed there.

He accomplished rectifying his identity with the Peruvian authorities (it was a looooong process). But now we had two barriers. One, Japan had changed their immigration laws and there was no way. Two, his wife now refused to divorce, citing officially (to those who knew them) religious reasons, but to him demanding more money than he had. He sent her a huge amount of money, for her to buy a home for his teenage daughters, and she used it all up, in who knows what. And demanded more, which he didn't have anymore. So, no divorce.

We knew we had to leave Japan. I still didn't want to move to Peru, and left with my son when my visa expired. I also have an EU passport, and moved to Spain, hoping my husband could find a way to move there, with a job/working visa. He finally turned himself in in Japan. He apologized to the authorities, and he really meant it. Japan had been so good to him. He was already regretful for his actions.

He was was given a departure order, and allowed to leave Japan on his own. He had no criminal record. It was considered solely an immigration offense. He was never charged.

Once in Peru, I tired in earnest to bring him to Spain, but the crisis had already hit the economy hard. I had a job, but what was the point if he couldn't come. He begged us to come to Peru, literally crying on the phone every day. (And trust me, he does not cry!).

So, after almost a year apart, my son and I boarded a plane for Lima. I was so nervous, I was ill the whole way there. I started to doubt my decision. But when we arrived at the airport, and my husband came to hug me, I melted. It all felt so right.

We were in Lima for a few years. The first year was a like a honeymoon stage and every thing was so exciting. He has a humongous loving family and it felt wonderful. But Lima is a dangerous place, and the job situation is really bad. Education, health care, pollution... so many, many problems for raising a family if your'e not rich. We both worked, but we couldn't earn enough. And aside from all that, I really, really, really wanted to live in my country and raise my child in my home town, beautiful Vancouver (that was before rents sky rocketed!). I dreamed about it every single day. I spent several months working on his pr application. Because we were only common-law, and he was still legally married, I worked hard on the proof of cohabitation and proof of relationship sections.

People advised us to hide his history of using a fake passport to enter Japan, and being illegal. But we said no way. He was living a correct life. We told all the truth, all details in the background section. I actually believed that that shouldn't have been a problem. We couldn't afford to hire a lawyer, so I did it all on my own.

DEPENDENTS' MEDICALS WHEN THE OTHER PARENT REFUSES

The problem that we had for sending in his application was medical exams for his daughters, his non-accompanying dependents. They were around 16 and 14 at the time and lived with their mother. He went on numerous occasions to talk to their mother, but she was FURIOUS and refused to cooperate. Despite him explaining everything, she accused him of wanting to take her daughters away from her. So all we could send in was his declaration and a cover letter, that we couldn't include them in the application. When our application was in Mississauga for my eligibility, they sent us an email asking for their medicals. This time I asked my husband to ask her again, by email. She then sent him death threats via email. It was soooo stressful and scary! All I could do was send them the email death threats, with official translations. This was accepted.

COMMON-LAW, one partner still married

When the application came to Lima, after waiting for a year, I went to the Embassy. They told me he needed to present divorce papers, for them to be able to approve. He was in a divorce process, but it was taking YEARS, literally.

CRIMINALITY

When I went in later with proof of his divorce process, they told me that they were reviewing his "criminality." I was in extreme shock. I couldn't believe it. He couldn't hurt a fly. He's no criminal. I ended up going in a few times, and at least twice the staff spoke to me in a humiliating way. Finally I saw an officer. He was kind and said he was doing everything he could to rehabilitate him and make him admissible. But he also had some humiliating words for me. Each time I walked out of the Embassy and onto the streets of Lima in tears. It was too painful to think that maybe I couldn't raise my children in my country.

TO BE CONTINUED BELOW
 

chelseam

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PREGNANCY

At this point I was very pregnant, with our daughter. It was almost 2 years waiting, and I told the officer that I strongly desired to give birth in Canada, with my husband and our son by my side. He actually advised me to go ahead and wait for my husband there. I couldn't do that. We're a very close family. Our separation when I I went to Spain was traumatic for my son, who yearned for his dad too badly. I couldn't do that to him again.

Still waiting

Our daughter was born. Shortly after my husband had retinal detachment and almost lost his vision due to horrible experiences in public hospitals. We used the money we were saving for Canada to pay for a private operation. Then he couldn't work for a few months. I had just given birth and couldn't work much. We were losing money quick. I was robbed at gun point and kidnapped in a fake taxi. I survived, but I wanted to get my family the heck out of there, and back to my home. I missed my parents too much. I missed my friends. I missed Canada. I was READY, ready, ready to move back home with my family. We were living as cheaply as possible, to save our last savings for Canada.

Divorce

His ex finally agreed to divorce, i.e. agreed to what little we had left, and they switched to a simple process for mutually agreed divorces. I took in paperwork proving the 3 month process had begun. At this point, we were really running out of money. But I started to see the light at the end of the tunnel, with the divorce, with my husband's successful operation and eye site coming back, and believing that we'd be off to Canada in any moment.

REFUSAL, INADMISSIBLE TO CANADA

Then we received the refusal letter, due to criminal inadmissibility. Using a fake identity to enter Japan was considered an offence.

I sobbed. My son was shaken by seeing me sob. Not one time that I had gone to the Embassy did they hint that the visa would be refused. Again, total SHOCK. And pain, as you can imagine. Through the tears we noticed that a second letter said he could apply for criminal inadmissibility after 5 years of having left Japan. There was a sliver of hope, but at that time, before the 5 years, we had to change our life plans.

A month after this was our marriage (FINALLY!), so things were looking up.

Luckily with my EU passport we could come to the UK. We told ALL the truth in his application for an entry permit, both Japan and the Canadian refusal. After only 2 weeks his permit was approved. We are extremely grateful. But we can't talk badly about Canada, because their strictness with immigration is beneficial to society. They are protecting their citizens, although my husband would never do anything wrong ever gain. But I can't judge.

We came here with our LAST savings, almost starting from zero. Here in England my husband and kids soon received their residency visas. I found work. Then the demand for my husband's amazing decorating skills took off. Now we run a business partnership and live a comfortable life. I don't take anything for granted anymore, and am always grateful.

When the 5 years passed, I put together an application for his criminal rehabilitation. I really wanted to visit my mom (my dad travels and visited us in Japan and here, but my mom can't travel), and she really wants to meet my husband, along with the kids. She has become frail, and we needed his admissibility.

REHABILITATION, ADMISSIBILITY

I worked on his application on my own. There wasn't much I could include, since he never had any charges or arrests or anything at all, anywhere. I just included the laws in Japan, equivalent laws in Canada. An article from an academic journal about the fake nikkei scam from Peru to Japan. A letter, explaining every single detail. By him, translated by me. And a cover letter by me. I think that's about it. I can't remember now. I sent it off in a November, expecting to not hear anything for at least a year. And just before Xmas, the next month, we received by email a letter declaring him admissible and eligible to apply for a visa!!!!! I screamed for joy. It was really such a great feeling.

Second application for pr

We were going to travel just to visit, but the more I thought about it, the more I wanted to move to Canada. This place has been wonderful to us. But I want to raise my kids in Canada. And I want to be near my family. Finally, we decided to apply for his pr, instead of going to visit. We're aiming for Ontario, as it's more affordable than Vancouver, and I went to uni in Toronto. And a few more reasons.

PSYCHIATRIC EXAM, TRANSLATION ERROR

This time his daughters are adults. One is over the dependent age, and the other is under. She cooperated with us and went for her medical. They found scars on her arms and asked her about it. She confided that she had tried to commit suicide as a child, after abuse by a male family member. We had NO IDEA. And she had kept this a secret all these years, even from her mother. It really saddened us. We received an email that she was to return to the medical centre. There they asked for a psychiatric report, with a deadline. This turned out to include several sessions. Public hospitals were taking forever to get appointments, so she went for a private option. This also took long, and she received the report just a couple of days before the due date. We ordered the official translation. She took it in. Then she was called by the clinic. There was an error in the translation (and acronym was translated as is, without saying what it stood for). We managed to get that fixed and sent in on the due date. Phew. Make sure you always check translations thoroughly.

It's really tragic what his daughter has been through, but thanks to Canadian immigration, she was able to release this episode and talk about it with both her father and a psychiatrist. Thankfully she no longer has suicidal thoughts.

CHANGING A NON-ACCOMPANYING DEPENDENT TO ACCOMPANYING

After much discussion, we decided to do this. And thanks to advice in this forum! We're hoping for his daughter to join us in Canada as soon as possible. I sent a message to the Embassy, and they replied with requested documents.

PRE-ARRIVAL LETTER

The first time around we never received this elusive letter, because we didn't receive the elusive visa/pr. Last week I received an email. It was one of those "donotreply" emails that I almost deleted, thinking it was yet another email from the bank! Luckily I checked, as it was from cic. It said we had a message in gckey. I checked and there was the pre-arrival letter. I shed a bucket full of tears. It's been an emotional roller coaster since 2012 when I first sent in an application. I'm trying not to burst into further tears of joy, until we get the pp request and know for sure.

This is where we are at, and I knew I had to share all of this now, just in case another refusal comes, and I wouldn't want to recall all this. This forum has helped me tons throughout the years so I hope my post can be of help too.

Btw, I wonder IF he gets pr if I should train to be an immigration consultant in Canada, with my wealth of experience? :D If anyone has any tips or info about that, let me know. I wonder if there's too much competition. Anyway, if he gets pr, I will start career planning for Canada. :)
 
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chelseam

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Oh, one more thing!!!

RETINAL DETACHMENT AND MYOPIA

So, this time around, for his medical they inquired about his eye sight and retina operation. They asked for documents from the local hospital, where he has been for check ups. My husband is extremely short sighted and has high astigmatism. But with high prescription glasses he can see pretty well.

Since we received the pre-arrival letter, I'm guessing that his eye sight is not an issue. This also confirms what I had read in the forums here.
 

Krissh2179

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Hi everyone,

I've been checking this forum on and off since 2012, so I thought it was time to give back. Especially now that we await the final stages of a fresh pr application for my husband. If he's refused again, I probably won't feel like writing all this. So now is the time. And hopefully this will help others, who may be searching for info, now or in the future.

I'm Canadian (born in Vancouver), and met my soul mate while living in Japan. He was from Peru. We fell madly in love. I was teaching English and he was a very hard working painter and decorator. He is the most gentle, kindest person you will ever meet. But he had two complicated situations.

He had entered Japan with a fake passport. Actually, few people know this history, but tens of thousands of Peruvians did so. In the late 80s and early 90s Peru was in a state of severe economic crisis and terrorism. Everyone wanted to get out and work abroad. At the same time, Japan opened its doors to Japanese descendants in South America, to work in the factories and other labour jobs. Peru is a very corrupt country, and before the government took control of identities, digitally, it was easy peasy to create fake birth certificates, passports etc. by paying off officials. Nikkei families themselves participated in the scams, as they needed money, just like everyone else. So suddenly you had adults being "adopted" by families. Either they made up new identities (registering fake births in town halls, going back in time), or they lent the identity of a family member who couldn't travel to Japan. Both options came with a hefty fee of course, from the families and from officials. Local recruiters also made tons of money by financing peoples' airfares to Japan and taking money from their paychecks every month for a long time. It was beneficial to all. I DO NOT CONDONE THIS AT ALL!!! Please, I do not want any criticism. I'm just trying to help others.

Soon after I met him, he told me his situation. He was still legal at the time. I was in total, complete shock. It even turned me off from our friendship. But he was such a good guy and our feelings were too strong, that I couldn't help but fall in love. Around that time, he was called in by immigration. They had discovered that he was fake, and ordered him to leave, on his own accord. He asked me to move to Peru with him but I said no way. I barely knew him (6 ish months), and I was happy with my job and life in Japan. So he decided to stay, to be with me, and to continue to support his daughters and parents in Peru.

Which brings me to the other complication. He was separated, but still married. She was in Peru. His relationship was a disaster (yes, some women can be abusive), and his wife was demanding the divorce. But because he was with a fake identity, he couldn't do anything.

In the next few years I regularly visited lawyers, trying to find a solution. A way for him to regularize his situation in Japan once he could rectify his identity and we could get married. Once all legal and living correctly in Japan, I wanted to move with him and our son to Canada. Yes, our son was born in Japan while he was illegal, despite him trying to convince me to move to Peru. I was terrified because a close friend had recently been robbed at gun point and almost killed there.

He accomplished rectifying his identity with the Peruvian authorities (it was a looooong process). But now we had two barriers. One, Japan had changed their immigration laws and there was no way. Two, his wife now refused to divorce, citing officially (to those who knew them) religious reasons, but to him demanding more money than he had. He sent her a huge amount of money, for her to buy a home for his teenage daughters, and she used it all up, in who knows what. And demanded more, which he didn't have anymore. So, no divorce.

We knew we had to leave Japan. I still didn't want to move to Peru, and left with my son when my visa expired. I also have an EU passport, and moved to Spain, hoping my husband could find a way to move there, with a job/working visa. He finally turned himself in in Japan. He apologized to the authorities, and he really meant it. Japan had been so good to him. He was already regretful for his actions.

He was was given a departure order, and allowed to leave Japan on his own. He had no criminal record. It was considered solely an immigration offense. He was never charged.

Once in Peru, I tired in earnest to bring him to Spain, but the crisis had already hit the economy hard. I had a job, but what was the point if he couldn't come. He begged us to come to Peru, literally crying on the phone every day. (And trust me, he does not cry!).

So, after almost a year apart, my son and I boarded a plane for Lima. I was so nervous, I was ill the whole way there. I started to doubt my decision. But when we arrived at the airport, and my husband came to hug me, I melted. It all felt so right.

We were in Lima for a few years. The first year was a like a honeymoon stage and every thing was so exciting. He has a humongous loving family and it felt wonderful. But Lima is a dangerous place, and the job situation is really bad. Education, health care, pollution... so many, many problems for raising a family if your'e not rich. We both worked, but we couldn't earn enough. And aside from all that, I really, really, really wanted to live in my country and raise my child in my home town, beautiful Vancouver (that was before rents sky rocketed!). I dreamed about it every single day. I spent several months working on his pr application. Because we were only common-law, and he was still legally married, I worked hard on the proof of cohabitation and proof of relationship sections.

People advised us to hide his history of using a fake passport to enter Japan, and being illegal. But we said no way. He was living a correct life. We told all the truth, all details in the background section. I actually believed that that shouldn't have been a problem. We couldn't afford to hire a lawyer, so I did it all on my own.

DEPENDENTS' MEDICALS WHEN THE OTHER PARENT REFUSES

The problem that we had for sending in his application was medical exams for his daughters, his non-accompanying dependents. They were around 16 and 14 at the time and lived with their mother. He went on numerous occasions to talk to their mother, but she was FURIOUS and refused to cooperate. Despite him explaining everything, she accused him of wanting to take her daughters away from her. So all we could send in was his declaration and a cover letter, that we couldn't include them in the application. When our application was in Mississauga for my eligibility, they sent us an email asking for their medicals. This time I asked my husband to ask her again, by email. She then sent him death threats via email. It was soooo stressful and scary! All I could do was send them the email death threats, with official translations. This was accepted.

COMMON-LAW, one partner still married

When the application came to Lima, after waiting for a year, I went to the Embassy. They told me he needed to present divorce papers, for them to be able to approve. He was in a divorce process, but it was taking YEARS, literally.

CRIMINALITY

When I went in later with proof of his divorce process, they told me that they were reviewing his "criminality." I was in extreme shock. I couldn't believe it. He couldn't hurt a fly. He's no criminal. I ended up going in a few times, and at least twice the staff spoke to me in a humiliating way. Finally I saw an officer. He was kind and said he was doing everything he could to rehabilitate him and make him admissible. But he also had some humiliating words for me. Each time I walked out of the Embassy and onto the streets of Lima in tears. It was too painful to think that maybe I couldn't raise my children in my country.

TO BE CONTINUED BELOW
You truly have been through a lot and I must commend how you strongly stuck by your husband. You will definitely get good news of your pr. Your Good Karma will make sure that happens. All the very best for your future and thanks for sharing this.
 
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chelseam

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May 20, 2018
135
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You truly have been through a lot and I must commend how you strongly stuck by yout husband. You will definitely get good news of your pr. Your Good Karma will make sure that happens. All the very best for your future and thanks for sharing this.
Thank you so much! Do you think so, re pr?
Thank you. Indeed, I could have left him years ago and gone home. But that was always out of the question. :)
 

Krissh2179

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Nov 20, 2018
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Thank you so much! Do you think so, re pr?
Thank you. Indeed, I could have left him years ago and gone home. But that was always out of the question. :)
Pre arrival is almost always a good sign. I would wait until Decision Made before you jump in joy. But I pray you get it and soon too
 
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Amy mouse

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Omg i cried reading your story... thankyou for sharing with us. You need a medal.. you have done so much with so little and still managed to bring joy to your family. Im glad you are including the daughter also.. pleaselwt us know the next step
 

woyaodeshihulu

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The most encouaging story I have ever read in this forum. You are a fighter. Thank you for sharing your experience with us. All the best.
 

chelseam

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May 20, 2018
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Omg i cried reading your story... thankyou for sharing with us. You need a medal.. you have done so much with so little and still managed to bring joy to your family. Im glad you are including the daughter also.. pleaselwt us know the next step
Awww, thank you so much! :)
 

chelseam

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May 20, 2018
135
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The most encouaging story I have ever read in this forum. You are a fighter. Thank you for sharing your experience with us. All the best.
Thanks! There are so many more encouraging stories in this forum. Nice to know mine is among them! And you are one of the many people who've replied to my questions and/or shared info! This all inspired me to share. ;)