Service Canada response to employer query

[beholder69]

Ok, so we gave Service Canada a call in order to make sure we have all changes of the TFW program clear. They confirmed that right now the cap is 30%, so no issues about that but they also said that apart from the regular advertisement, another ad needs to also be posted that is addressed specifically to aboriginals, youth and new immigrants. We asked if we could just mention those groups in the main ad and they said that it needs to be a separate ad for those groups. The position is for a cook BTW.

The Service Canada site says nothing of the sort, has anyone heard anything on that?

 

[ButterflyChemist]

Ok, so we gave Service Canada a call in order to make sure we have all changes of the TFW program clear. They confirmed that right now the cap is 30%, so no issues about that but they also said that apart from the regular advertisement, another as needs to also be posted that is addressed specifically to aboriginals, youth and new immigrants. We asked if we could just mention those groups in the main as and they said that it needs to be a separate ad for those groups. The position is for a cook BTW.

The Service Canada site says nothing of the sort, has anyone heard anything on that?

Whoa! That's crazy! They really intend to make this hard don't they? I vaguely remember seeing something about youth groups and such but I don't remember what it was in relation to.

 

[beholder69]

It's actually ridiculous as the cost for an ad is already too high (talking about the paid ones obviously). Adding a second one to each media for 4 weeks, makes it really inconvenient. As mentioned before though, they say nothing of the sort on their webpage.

 

[beholder69]

So after a bit of digging around, it turns out that low-skilled positions (NOC C and D) have that 3rd advertising requirement about underrepresented groups. The position we were interested in was for a cook, which is considered high skilled (NOC B), so there are just the 2 standards requirements in that category. Not sure why Service Canada told us that though.

 

[canadavisa13]

Hi beholder69,

where is the position intended to be,city and province? this might have an affect depending on the unemployment rate.
just so you know COOK is a trade hence it is a skilled position NOC B but not a high skilled position,NOC A and O are the only high skilled positions and NOC C is semi skilled while NOC D is low or unskilled.
also it goes by wage now and not by NOC the NOC is only relevant when it comes to the limit for the temporary stay in canada and when applying for PR,so it maybe that your employer needs the specific Add for the underrepresented groups because cook is a low wage position.
do you have education such as diploma,certificate,apprenteschip related to cooking?
do you have years of experience as a cook?

 

[beholder69]

Hi beholder69,

where is the position intended to be,city and province? this might have an affect depending on the unemployment rate.
just so you know COOK is a trade hence it is a skilled position NOC B but not a high skilled position,NOC A and O are the only high skilled positions and NOC C is semi skilled while NOC D is low or unskilled.
also it goes by wage now and not by NOC the NOC is only relevant when it comes to the limit for the temporary stay in canada and when applying for PR,so it maybe that your employer needs the specific Add for the underrepresented groups because cook is a low wage position.
do you have education such as diploma,certificate,apprenteschip related to cooking?
do you have years of experience as a cook?

Hi,

Thanks for the answer! It's not for me actually but the person in question cannot apply with any other program, if that was what you were suggesting, unfortunately. The NOC distinction is correct as you said but I was mostly referring to the 2 streams of the TFW, high skilled includes NOC 0, A and B (although as you said 0 and A are the actual ones but that's how they group them) and C and D for the low skilled stream.

Apparently the wage dictates the two categories, the low wage one has the cap, while the high wage one needs a transition plan. However, as per the Service Canada webpage, there is still the high skilled and low skilled stream distinction with the NOC codes. So, they have different requirements for TFWs below the median wage for NOC 0, A, B, different for the high wage ones and respectively different for the low wage ones in NOC C and D and different for the high wage ones. The position is in Regina, SK, so no issues with unemployment here.

You may see the different requirements in those two links:

http://www.esdc.gc.ca/eng/jobs/foreign_workers/lower_skilled/index.shtml (NOC C and D)

http://www.esdc.gc.ca/eng/jobs/foreign_workers/higher_skilled/general/index.shtml (NOC 0, A and B)

 

[jes_ON]

So after a bit of digging around, it turns out that low-skilled positions (NOC C and D) have that 3rd advertising requirement about underrepresented groups. The position we were interested in was for a cook, which is considered high skilled (NOC B), so there are just the 2 standards requirements in that category. Not sure why Service Canada told us that though.

For LMIAs, it is no longer the NOC Level that determines whether it is "skilled" or "unskilled" but the wage, and whether it falls above or below the median wage in your province:
http://www.esdc.gc.ca/eng/jobs/foreign_workers/reform/restrict.shtml

http://www.esdc.gc.ca/eng/jobs/foreign_workers/reform/tables.shtml#h2.3

 

[beholder69]

For LMIAs, it is no longer the NOC Level that determines whether it is "skilled" or "unskilled" but the wage, and whether it falls above or below the median wage in your province:
http://www.esdc.gc.ca/eng/jobs/foreign_workers/reform/restrict.shtml

http://www.esdc.gc.ca/eng/jobs/foreign_workers/reform/tables.shtml#h2.3

It doesn't say anywhere in those links that "skilled" or "unskilled" is now determined by the wage. Also take a look at my links above. There is still a skilled and unskilled distinction in service Canada and it's according to NOC. In all of those links, both mine and yours, it says that the two major categories will be "high-wage" and "low-wage" and that's because they have the biggest differences (cap vs transition plan being the greatest), while the high skilled and low skilled (ie NOC) have minor differences, such as the 3rd advertisement requirement I initially mentioned about underrepresented groups, paid plane tickets, housing etc. in both the high skilled and low skilled streams, there are directions for both high wage and low wage categories.

 

[beholder69]

We called Service Canada. We asked two things and turns out both were wrong. Excellent!

Just a thumbs up for anyone else interested, that the cap for any employer who currently has 0-10% TFW is 10%. Which actually makes any employer close to 10% or above not eligible for the program, unless they're replacing TFWs whose permits are expiring.