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Does any member of this forum have experience of applying to renew a PR card? The background facts are as follows: I landed, as a family applicant, in April 2014 but in early May 2014 I returned to the UK to arrange the sale of my house. It was placed on the market for sale that month but the market in my part of the UK is very slow and apart from thousands of hits on the estate agent's website and a few nibbles there have been no offers thus far. My PR card arrived towards the end of the summer at the address I gave in Canada but so far I have not seen it: it will be brought to me when my Canadian spouse next goes to visit her family in Canada. I gather from various references in CIC's documents that the card has a validity of 5 years, presumably from the date of landing. This query arises from my pessimism concerning the sale of my house. For practical purposes I am stuck in the UK because I have to look after my house until it is sold and I anticipate problems in selling it and moving to Canada within 1095 days from April 2014. So at present there seems a distinct possibility that if and when at last I am able to move to Canada it will be clear to the immigration officer that I will not be able to satisfy the requirement that I must spend 2 years out of every 5 on a rolling basis in Canada.

I appreciate that that is not the end of the matter because of what is referred to as Option 1 in IMM 5445 at page 29 : You may count each day that you accompanied a Canadian citizen outside Canada provided that the person you accompanied is your spouse... Pausing there (it is not the main issue that concerns me) that cannot surely mean that only those days on which you were travelling with your Canadian spouse away from Canada can be counted under Option 1? Surely what is meant is days on which you were living with your Candian spouse outside Canada ie a static rather than a dynamic state of affairs? I confess that I would not be at all surprised to find that my instincts are wrong because the wording is so ambiguous. Option 2 (on page 30) is much more clear: each day you were employed outside Canada [in a Canadian business etc] is clearly describing a static state of affairs, and it would have been so easy for Option 1 to say <each day you were living with your Canadian spouse outside Canada>; but it does not. Moreover on page 8 of IMM 5445, referring to proof which must be provided, there appear to be 2 categories: proof of your relationship to the Canadian citizen you accompanied abroad[ or proof that your Canadian spouse...was outside Canada with you. It would require a lot more work and head scratching to understand what that means and what effect it has on Option 1. Any thoughts?

I come however to the main point which concerns me (a bit prematurely I agree: my house may sell within the next few months in which case there will be no problem). IMM 5445 at page 3 provides that an application to renew the PR card cannot be made earlier than 6 months before it expires: page 3 of IMM 5445. If you send in your application earlier, CIC will return it. Currently the anticipated processing time is 151 days (about 5 months). So (sorry for the long-winded preamble) suppose my house takes 3+ years to sell. I arrive at the airport flourishing my passport and PR card, from which it will be obvious to the immigration officer at the frontier that I cannot satisfy the 2 years out of every 5 requirement. At that stage I cannot even apply to CIC under Option 1, however that is to be construed. I assume that I will not be refused admission because I am from a visa-exempt country (UK) and being the upright character that I am I will not have done anything to justify exclusion. However am I going to be allowed to stay the usual 6 months or will I be allowed in permanently, subject to later expulsion if I do not succeed in establishing Option 1? And what in the meantime? It would appear unwise to buy a house, or build one, so long as there is a risk that an application under Option 1 may fail. Canada certainly does not make things easy for new immigrants!
 
Post your question to the Permanent Residency Obligation section of the forum. This is where you'll find questions like this discussed.

http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/permanent-residency-obligations-b11.0/
 
Thank you Scylla. I did not know that that section existed. I will try deleting my post from this section and re-post it in the correct section. Not sure how to do it but will do my best.
 
Deletion of one's own message is apparently not possible! So it will have to stay.
 
wowsers said:
I landed, as a family applicant, in April 2014 but in early May 2014 I returned to the UK to arrange the sale of my house.

You really think it will take almost 3 years to sell your house??? I would just slash the price to a bit under market value to get it sold quickly. You'll end up spending more by holding on to it for multiple years.

And if your Canadian citizen spouse is currently with you in the UK, then you are fine for residency as those days are counting.
 
Hey as long as you return to Canada while the PR card is still valid, you may do so and simply do not renew your card until 730 days have passed (and don't leave Canada either all the while). Residency is not evaluated automatically at the 5 year mark, only when you go to renew it.