PR Card renewal- 25 days short for RO 730 days case

[Dreamer889]

Hello All,

My wife’s PR card expires in April 2026. She has been a permanent resident since 2016 and has renewed her card once before. However, due to family matters, she had to travel frequently. We are now preparing to renew her PR card, but she is short of the residency obligation by about 25 days.
During her time outside Canada, she accompanied me for 98 days, and we have all the necessary evidence. However, the trip was visiting my family in my country of origin for paternity leave.
Since this situation seems to be a grey area, I would like to know whether ICBSA officer would count those days as accompanying a Canadian spouse, or if they would not be considered knowing that we also have needed evidence for previous 5 years that shows strong ties to Canada.

I would really appreciate your advise! Thank you in advance!

 

[steaky]

Hello All,

My wife’s PR card expires in April 2026. She has been a permanent resident since 2016 and has renewed her card once before. However, due to family matters, she had to travel frequently. We are now preparing to renew her PR card, but she is short of the residency obligation by about 25 days.
During her time outside Canada, she accompanied me for 98 days, and we have all the necessary evidence. However, the trip was visiting my family in my country of origin for paternity leave.
Since this situation seems to be a grey area, I would like to know whether ICBSA officer would count those days as accompanying a Canadian spouse, or if they would not be considered knowing that we also have needed evidence for previous 5 years that shows strong ties to Canada.

I would really appreciate your advise! Thank you in advance!

It's IRCC doing the counting. You should be good as long as you have the evidence.

 

[canuck78]

Hello All,

My wife’s PR card expires in April 2026. She has been a permanent resident since 2016 and has renewed her card once before. However, due to family matters, she had to travel frequently. We are now preparing to renew her PR card, but she is short of the residency obligation by about 25 days.
During her time outside Canada, she accompanied me for 98 days, and we have all the necessary evidence. However, the trip was visiting my family in my country of origin for paternity leave.
Since this situation seems to be a grey area, I would like to know whether ICBSA officer would count those days as accompanying a Canadian spouse, or if they would not be considered knowing that we also have needed evidence for previous 5 years that shows strong ties to Canada.

I would really appreciate your advise! Thank you in advance!

You are likely better off waiting the extra 25 days (with a bit of buffer) if she would then meet her RO. That may actually lead to faster processing.

 

[armoured]

You are likely better off waiting the extra 25 days (with a bit of buffer) if she would then meet her RO. That may actually lead to faster processing.

^^ Strongly agree with this. Far more likely to work this way.

@Dreamer889 : be sure to check carefully your arithmetic, as dates from early part of the period may start to 'drop off.'

Simplest form: from date of application, count all days outside Canada from the date five years before (also ignoring any days before becoming a PR, i.e. if became a PR in the last five years*); if more than 1095 days outside, then not in compliance.

*Does not apply to her situation, but in case others read this.

 

[Dreamer889]

^^ Strongly agree with this. Far more likely to work this way.

@Dreamer889 : be sure to check carefully your arithmetic, as dates from early part of the period may start to 'drop off.'

Simplest form: from date of application, count all days outside Canada from the date five years before (also ignoring any days before becoming a PR, i.e. if became a PR in the last five years*); if more than 1095 days outside, then not in compliance.

*Does not apply to her situation, but in case others read this.

Can't agree more, but as you mentioned, the dates from the earlier part of the period will soon start dropping off. The concern is that, without any (H&C) considerations, she may be required to leave soon.
I’m not sure what the outcome would be if, in the worst-case scenario, IRCC does not count the 98 days as accompanying a Canadian spouse. Would that lead to the revocation of her PR status? Also, would I be able to sponsor her again afterward, or would that be difficult?

 

[armoured]

Can't agree more, but as you mentioned, the dates from the earlier part of the period will soon start dropping off. The concern is that, without any (H&C) considerations, she may be required to leave soon.

Very important: why do you think she would have to leave? She is not required to have a current/valid PR card. She's a PR without one. The card is not the status. Just remain in Canada until in compliance, then apply.

Yes, if there's some reason to apply before this, she can apply relying upon the days abroad with you. But it will take longer, and it is a bit of a grey area. For the most part, those applying to use this use it for longer periods abroad when eg the Canadian citizen had to move abroad for work for a period.

I’m not sure what the outcome would be if, in the worst-case scenario, IRCC does not count the 98 days as accompanying a Canadian spouse. Would that lead to the revocation of her PR status? Also, would I be able to sponsor her again afterward, or would that be difficult?

You're getting ahead of yourself here in my opinion. Let's clarify above first.

And let's be clear: if she has spent less than two years here in the last five, that's not just "she had to travel frequently." It's living abroad for a substantial chunk of the time period. So not sure that cutting it close further is in her interests.

 

[Dreamer889]

Very important: why do you think she would have to leave? She is not required to have a current/valid PR card. She's a PR without one. The card is not the status. Just remain in Canada until in compliance, then apply.

Yes, if there's some reason to apply before this, she can apply relying upon the days abroad with you. But it will take longer, and it is a bit of a grey area. For the most part, those applying to use this use it for longer periods abroad when eg the Canadian citizen had to move abroad for work for a period.

You're getting ahead of yourself here in my opinion. Let's clarify above first.

And let's be clear: if she has spent less than two years here in the last five, that's not just "she had to travel frequently." It's living abroad for a substantial chunk of the time period. So not sure that cutting it close further is in her interests.

Yes, I understand — it’s a complex situation, which is why I’m trying to explore all possible options with minimal impact.
Do you think it would be better for her to keep her PR status rather than risk revocation and have to go through the sponsorship process again? That would mean avoiding a renewal application for now, since, as you mentioned, she doesn’t currently intend to reside in Canada I could move with her in the meantime, and whenever we’re ready to return to Canada, we could reapply and request that the time abroad be counted as accompanying a Canadian spouse.

 

[Dreamer889]

Thanks armoured, So, if I understand correctly, if she doesn’t meet the residency obligation because IRCC decides not to count the days spent accompanying a Canadian spouse, the next step would be receiving a formal decision letter with a refusal. She would then have 30 days to appeal to the IAD, and if she doesn't appeal, the decision to revoke her PR status would take effect. Am I understanding the steps correctly?

 

[armoured]

Thanks armoured, So, if I understand correctly, if she doesn’t meet the residency obligation because IRCC decides not to count the days spent accompanying a Canadian spouse, the next step would be receiving a formal decision letter with a refusal. She would then have 30 days to appeal to the IAD, and if she doesn't appeal, the decision to revoke her PR status would take effect. Am I understanding the steps correctly?

I do not understand your case and I'm not going to go chasing all over the board to try to understand it. Youv'e posted randomly in other people's threads and I don't know who's who.

Start a thread with your specific info, post there, and only there.

To extent I do recall: my suggestion is don't do anything UNTIL your spouse needs to come to Canada and (preferably) intends to reside here. But that may not match the situation: again, I'm not chasing your posts all over.

If you need specific personal consultation: hire a a lawyer.

 

[viveksharmaz]

Hi All,
I have a different situation and need some expert advice .. I was in USA when I got PR in 2021 July and moved to Canada in August 2024. I been working in USA and have been tarveling to and fro from canada to USA since Aug 2024. I have recently brought a home in 2025 .. and My original PR card was valid till Sep 2026 and unfortunetly I lost my PR card in Dec 2025 and applied for a new PR card and I got this below email where they are asking me to provide below documents along with ..

""you are being asked to provide proof of your compliance with the residency obligation for the period of 2021/07/02 up to the present day, as well as any humanitarian and compassionate considerations. Please submit the following documents:



q All passports and travel documents held by you, used to enter or leave Canada or other countries since 2021/07/02, whether valid or expired.

q A complete and detailed list of your absences from Canada since 2021/07/02.

q Record of Landing / Confirmation of Permanent Residence.

q Photo identification.

q Any documentary proof of your establishment and ties in Canada such as employment. This may include:

q Employment records (for example T-4’s, employment letters and other work records).

q Schooling/training records (for example reports cards, diplomas, awards).

q Social and community involvement (for example proof of any community involvement, volunteer duties).

q Medical records (for example proof of hospitalization, medical appointments).

q Home/family ties (for example rental and mortgage documents, whereabouts of family members).

q Supporting documents showing that there are compelling and compassionate factors in your personal circumstances that justify keeping your permanent resident status.

I am not sure how I can provide the any humanitarian and compassionate considerations along with
Supporting documents showing that there are compelling and compassionate factors in your personal circumstances that justify keeping your permanent resident status.

I really need help to reply to IRCC with above quetsions. Anyone has faced the similar issue.