PNP Experts and experienced here please

[ashuindian]

Hello everyone, I am trying to find a way to become Canadian PR as I know is our dream for all here, I planned to apply under EE but my score is too low, someone suggested to apply under PNP, but no sure if I qualify; here is where I need your valuable help.
I have been working in Calgary Alberta for almost a year with a work permit based on a LMIA as semiskilled worker under a Noc B, my employer is offering a permanent job offer, I have a good level in English, I am 33 years old, the only and main reason I don't score for EE is I don't have education documents at all. ;D
So Do you guys think I am elegible to apply? Or what else I need?
Any help will be very appreciated. Thanks in advance.

1. The best in this case is to study in Canada for a profession where the demand exist (ex:Nurse) finish your studies than apply for a permanent resident status then citizenship. This can take years but depending of where you come from , you would mostly have a better life.
2. Legitimately married to a Canadian. Your spouse can sponsor you.
3. Have solid job sponsorship from a company inside Canada.
4. Has the right type of skills needed in Canada.

 

[Margotte]

1. The best in this case is to study in Canada for a profession where the demand exist (ex:Nurse) finish your studies than apply for a permanent resident status then citizenship. This can take years but depending of where you come from , you would mostly have a better life.
2. Legitimately married to a Canadian. Your spouse can sponsor you.
3. Have solid job sponsorship from a company inside Canada.
4. Has the right type of skills needed in Canada.

I know your suggestion about studying in Canada would be good, I just was dreaming to settle a new life in Canada taking advantage of my current status as TFW and of the chance that my employer is giving me to hire me permanently.
Thanks for your good advices.

 

[Margotte]

I am not sure if you have a good chance without trade certification
but it might be enough for AINP to show them your company training/experience letter.
Furthermore I would suggest that you contact AINP and ask them about your situation
and if you need a high school diploma to get a nomination
http://www.albertacanada.com/opportunity/programs-and-forms/emailform.aspx

and when you get the answer from AINP please post it here

Thank you again, I will contact them asap to see if I get an answer, any news I'll guys let you know, so we learn something new.

 

[K4n4d4WS]

@ vensak
I think you never applied for AINP or??????
and i think you didn't read my post properly because

At the moment there is no such stream opened. They do require work permit for everybody except of some engineering professions.

I wrote nothing about work permits
and this stream "AINP / Strategic Recruitment Stream / Compulsory and Optional Trades / without Job Offer" is open
http://www.albertacanada.com/opportunity/programs-and-forms/ainp-srs-compulsory-optional-trades-criteria.aspx
and yes i needed a work permit for it, but i didn't need a Job Offer

for Margotte
stonecutter- NOC: 7281 is not on the list for the mentioned stream above
for you is only this stream "Employer-Driven Stream - Skilled Worker" possible
http://www.albertacanada.com/opportunity/programs-and-forms/ainp-eds-skilled-worker-criteria.aspx

Thing is that one way or another he will hit education. He can either have high school or some trade specific certificate.

in your previous post you wrote that he need high school diploma
and now you write that it is maybe not necessary to have one??????

When it comes to language criteria, that will depend on the federal part (they may or may not require them).

if the province don't need a english test then the CIC does not need it neither
and that is a fact that you don't need a english test in Alberta for NOC occupations in 0, A or B
if you don't belive me read the AINP ans CIC websites
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/pdf/kits/forms/imm5690E.pdf

 

[Margotte]

Amazing, how can you learn so sweet English without any higher education. We are struggling still now after education.

Thanks for considering my English is good, I took a short course in my home country because the owner of the company where I worked almost all my life is American and I had to find a way to comunícate with him. My wife has taught me a lot too.

 

[Margotte]

for Margotte
stonecutter- NOC: 7281 is not on the list for the mentioned stream above
for you is only this stream "Employer-Driven Stream - Skilled Worker" possible
http://www.albertacanada.com/opportunity/programs-and-forms/ainp-eds-skilled-worker-criteria.aspx
Yeah that's what I've thought, applying under EDS.

 

[vensak]

@ vensak
I think you never applied for AINP or??????
and i think you didn't read my post properly because
I wrote nothing about work permits
and this stream "AINP / Strategic Recruitment Stream / Compulsory and Optional Trades / without Job Offer" is open
http://www.albertacanada.com/opportunity/programs-and-forms/ainp-srs-compulsory-optional-trades-criteria.aspx
and yes i needed a work permit for it, but i didn't need a Job Offer

for Margotte
stonecutter- NOC: 7281 is not on the list for the mentioned stream above
for you is only this stream "Employer-Driven Stream - Skilled Worker" possible
http://www.albertacanada.com/opportunity/programs-and-forms/ainp-eds-skilled-worker-criteria.aspx
in your previous post you wrote that he need high school diploma
and now you write that it is maybe not necessary to have one??????
if the province don't need a english test then the CIC does not need it neither
and that is a fact that you don't need a english test in Alberta for NOC occupations in 0, A or B
if you don't belive me read the AINP ans CIC websites
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/pdf/kits/forms/imm5690E.pdf

1. In the stream you mentioned is clearly written valid work permit, for all other employer driven streams LMIA is required (as a result of positive LMIA a work permit is issued, otherwise it would have no sence).

2. High school is education beyond basic education and this can vary and differ between standard high school diploma or trades certification (if secpndary education is finished by such certificate). The catch is such that practicaly any B level skill does require one or another. So the proof of secondary education is required.


3. Now they will be assessing him against that NOC code - 7281. here is what it is said in the NOC Description:

Employment requirements
Completion of secondary school is usually required.
Completion of a three- to four-year apprenticeship program
or
A combination of over four years of work experience in the trade and some high school, college or industry courses in bricklaying is usually required to be eligible for trade certification.
Trade certification for bricklayers is compulsory in Nova Scotia, New Brunswick and Quebec and available, but voluntary, in all other provinces and the Yukon.
Trade certification for stonemasons is available, but voluntary, in Newfoundland and Labrador.
Trade certification for restoration stone masons is available, but voluntary, in Nova Scotia.
Red Seal endorsement is also available to qualified bricklayers upon successful completion of the interprovincial Red Seal examination.



When it come to English test, I was stating as a might possibility (one of the possibile ways how to assure on the federal level, that you do know at least one of the official languages).

 

[ashuindian]

@ vensak
I think you never applied for AINP or??????
and i think you didn't read my post properly because
I wrote nothing about work permits
and this stream "AINP / Strategic Recruitment Stream / Compulsory and Optional Trades / without Job Offer" is open
http://www.albertacanada.com/opportunity/programs-and-forms/ainp-srs-compulsory-optional-trades-criteria.aspx
and yes i needed a work permit for it, but i didn't need a Job Offer

for Margotte
stonecutter- NOC: 7281 is not on the list for the mentioned stream above
for you is only this stream "Employer-Driven Stream - Skilled Worker" possible
http://www.albertacanada.com/opportunity/programs-and-forms/ainp-eds-skilled-worker-criteria.aspx
in your previous post you wrote that he need high school diploma
and now you write that it is maybe not necessary to have one??????
if the province don't need a english test then the CIC does not need it neither
and that is a fact that you don't need a english test in Alberta for NOC occupations in 0, A or B
if you don't belive me read the AINP ans CIC websites
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/pdf/kits/forms/imm5690E.pdf

@Kn4, you have studied a lot about Canada Immigration. Are you doing research on it? How could you get so much knowledge? Can I know, which country are you from?

 

[vensak]

for Margotte
stonecutter- NOC: 7281 is not on the list for the mentioned stream above
for you is only this stream "Employer-Driven Stream - Skilled Worker" possible
http://www.albertacanada.com/opportunity/programs-and-forms/ainp-eds-skilled-worker-criteria.aspx
Yeah that's what I've thought, applying under EDS.

You are not eligible there either.

Who is not eligible?

The following are not eligible under the AINP Employer-Driven Stream, Skilled Worker Category:
Supervisors, foremen and tradespeople, working in a Compulsory or Optional Trade in Alberta (including Chefs, Cooks, and Line Cooks) Compulsory and Optional Trades are eligible under the Strategic Recruitment Stream, Compulsory and Optional Trades Category.


Your NOC belongs under Optional trade.

And when it come to the Compulsory and optional trades criteria :

You must have a valid Alberta Qualification Certificate in a compulsory or optional trade (PDF), or
a valid Alberta Apprenticeship and Industry Training (AIT) Recognized Trade Certificate in a compulsory or optional trade (PDF)
If you do not have an Alberta Qualification Certificate or an AIT Recognized Trade Certificate when you apply to the AINP, your application will be declined. The AINP will verify that your trade certificate is valid and qualifies.


And when it comes to language there:

You are required to meet language requirements for semi-skilled occupations.
A Canadian English Language Proficiency Index Program (CELPIP) General Test taken on or after April 1, 2014, with minimum scores of: Listening: 4
Reading: 4
Writing: 4
Speaking: 4

An International English Language Testing System (IELTS) General Test with minimum scores of:
Listening: 4.5
Reading: 3.5
Writing: 4
Speaking: 4

A Test d'Évaluation de Français (TEF) with minimum scores of: Listening: 145
Reading: 121
Writing: 181
Speaking: 181


So yes, he needs proof of education and yes he would need language test for Alberta.

 

[K4n4d4WS]

@Kn4, you have studied a lot about Canada Immigration. Are you doing research on it? How could you get so much knowledge? Can I know, which country are you from?

I don't have much knowledge. I know a litle bit about Alberta.
Sometime I do research for my answers and sometimes it's just luck to find some information
and sometimes you have to know where to find it. (maybe)
furthermore I know how to use GOOGLE to find informations because
sometimes I have the feeling that the questioner is just to lazy to find the information

But today I made a mistake because I didn't check the NOC code 7281 http://cicic.ca/938/Bricklayers.canada?id=231
which is bricklayer and stonecutter is included
and it's on the list for "Strategic Recruitment Stream - Compulsory and optional trades"

I am from Germany

 

[K4n4d4WS]

for Margotte
stonecutter- NOC: 7281 is not on the list for the mentioned stream above
for you is only this stream "Employer-Driven Stream - Skilled Worker" possible
http://www.albertacanada.com/opportunity/programs-and-forms/ainp-eds-skilled-worker-criteria.aspx
Yeah that's what I've thought, applying under EDS.

sorry I made a mistake as I wrote in the other post
because I didn't check the NOC code 7281 http://cicic.ca/938/Bricklayers.canada?id=231
which is bricklayer and stonecutter is included
and it's on the list for "Strategic Recruitment Stream - Compulsory and optional trades"

if you want to immigrate to Alberta you need your trade certificat as bricklayer/stonecutter
here is the link from AIT where you will find more information about it
and you have to make a theory exam and practical exam to get you AIT-certificat
http://tradesecrets.alberta.ca/experiencedworkers/qualification-certificate/qualification-work-experience-application-what-you-should-know/

once you have it you can apply for AINP
http://www.albertacanada.com/opportunity/programs-and-forms/ainp-srs-compulsory-optional-trades-criteria.aspx
and by the way you don't need a english test for AINP

 

[K4n4d4WS]

Your NOC belongs under Optional trade.

And when it come to the Compulsory and optional trades criteria :

You must have a valid Alberta Qualification Certificate in a compulsory or optional trade (PDF), or
a valid Alberta Apprenticeship and Industry Training (AIT) Recognized Trade Certificate in a compulsory or optional trade (PDF)
If you do not have an Alberta Qualification Certificate or an AIT Recognized Trade Certificate when you apply to the AINP, your application will be declined. The AINP will verify that your trade certificate is valid and qualifies.

in this case I made a mistake because I didn't check the NOC code 7281 http://cicic.ca/938/Bricklayers.canada?id=231
which is bricklayer and stonecutter is included

And when it comes to language there:

You are required to meet language requirements for semi-skilled occupations.

So yes, he needs proof of education and yes he would need language test for Alberta.

for bricklayer/stonecutter NOC 7281 he don't need a english test because it is a NOC B
and not a semi-skilled occupation

 

[ashuindian]

I don't have much knowledge. I know a litle bit about Alberta.
Sometime I do research for my answers and sometimes it's just luck to find some information
and sometimes you have to know where to find it. (maybe)
furthermore I know how to use GOOGLE to find informations because
sometimes I have the feeling that the questioner is just to lazy to find the information

But today I made a mistake because I didn't check the NOC code 7281 http://cicic.ca/938/Bricklayers.canada?id=231
which is bricklayer and stonecutter is included
and it's on the list for "Strategic Recruitment Stream - Compulsory and optional trades"

I am from Germany

I think Germany is better than Canada ? So why?

 

[vensak]

In order to get the certificate done.
Also he has almost 1 year done in Canada, that is not enough to apply for the experience based certificate exam.
He would need 4 1/2 years of proven work experience. What follows is not clear if he can or cannot use foreign work experience.

Link is here.
http://tradesecrets.alberta.ca/experiencedworkers/qualification-certificate/qualification-work-experience-application-what-you-should-know/
And the catch is here:

Qualification Employer Declaration Letter - Sample Text

This letter is to be prepared on company or business letterhead, completed and signed by the owner or a senior official of an Alberta-based employer and provided to the individual named in the letter, or submitted directly to the nearest Apprenticeship and Industry Training office.


So that would lead him back to school (the other way to get it if it is not possible to use work experiece from abroad).

As for the language i got confused with the operator part.

 

[Margotte]

in this case I made a mistake because I didn't check the NOC code 7281 http://cicic.ca/938/Bricklayers.canada?id=231
which is bricklayer and stonecutter is included


for bricklayer/stonecutter NOC 7281 he don't need a english test because it is a NOC B
and not a semi-skilled occupation
G

I was afraid that I needed something like that, I just was kind of confused if it was optional or a must, that's why I tried to find someone who had gone through this pathway before, I think now we all got to the same conclusion I need to study or to be certified in my occupation in order to apply under AINP. I truly appreciate all the time and research you did for me. Thanks and good luck in all you do.