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You're going in circles before asking questions. You submitted your PRTD app online, correct? The government advised you they sent it to Poland because they have centralized some types of applications for the region in Warsaw. Moscow visa office in embassy has its own tasks - but probably can still do the visa stamping.

But physical interaction - i.e. submitting and receiving passport - will be done through the (third party) visa application centres. Go here to find them:
https://visa.vfsglobal.com/rus/en/can

Or here:
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigratio...rcc/offices/find-visa-application-centre.html

Check the website of that visa applicatoin centre (VFS global), but there's only the one in Moscow. You can actually submit from other places in Russia, since mostly they send/receive through local courier companies - so if you're in, say, Novosibirsk, you deal with the courier company for the pickup and delivery. (Only biometrics require physically showing up at the VFS office).

It in theory is possible to submit from one city or address and have it returned to another - if you get the passport request before August 1st, it may be relevant.

VFS will know how to get the passport to the right location for visa insertion - they deal directly with IRCC for that. Probably it goes to Moscow for the visa, but only relevant to you for how long it takes.

From experience: check CAREFULLY what VFS requires, minor screw-ups can cause delays - manageable but not ideal when timeline is tight.

Ah - I just remembered - at VFS website, you have to look at the subsection marked 'Submit Passports and Documents' - that's what's needed when you're submitting after the passport request (which you'll get from IRCC when approved).
https://visa.vfsglobal.com/rus/en/can/passport-submission

Your situation a bit different than things i've dealt with there so next bits I can't say for sure, good luck.
Yes, we submitted it online, and then provided additional documents that they requested. They actually sent us an email that said the documents that we sent were not the ones that they requested which was odd because it was just some pages in the password that I forgot Scan. I rescanned the entire passport and then sent it and asked for clarification and they told me to contact Poland through a form and ask them what was going on. I did that and then they replied back that they had everything they needed and I don't need to contact them again.

Anyways, thanks for the reply. It's been almost 4 weeks now so hoping it comes through pretty quick
 
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Hello! my wife and I are currently in Russia without a PR card. We noticed after boarding the flight here it was expired. We have applied online for an URGENT PR travel document and sent in the required documents. I have sent an inquirery, after a few weeks, and it was replied that all the documents have been received and they are processing the application. I read that once it is approved, we have to send away the passport to get the document installed. The only problem is that we have paid for flights to Turkey Aug 12 and paid for accommodation (Non refundable) then we fly home back to canada Aug 25. How can we travel to turkey without her passport? Is it common to send a passport from russia to Poland and have to wait sometime to get it back?? Any idea how long it takes?? We are worried now about the situation. I wrote them again to explain everything, but nobody replied... Why do they need to make this so difficult? thanks for reading and please share your knowledge if you have any. .
Why did you leave the country with an expired PR card ?

Sorry some of the responsibility falls on you
 
Why did you leave the country with an expired PR card ?

Sorry some of the responsibility falls on you
Yeah yeah I know that already. We don't travel very often, and we just didn't bother checking it. It's kind of ignorant on our part and understanding the seriousness of it while we're abroad really settled in. But yeah I guess my wife just didn't notice that it expired. And yeah, I realized responsibility falls on me. We're currently in Russia visiting our family with two young children. We have our travel plans already prepaid for hotels. Booked everything ready to go, so it's really important that we get it resolved. But yeah don't worry it'll never happen again. I plan on getting her citizenship the day we get back to Canada. I should have already had it but Life gets in the way
 
Yeah yeah I know that already. We don't travel very often, and we just didn't bother checking it. It's kind of ignorant on our part and understanding the seriousness of it while we're abroad really settled in. But yeah I guess my wife just didn't notice that it expired. And yeah, I realized responsibility falls on me. We're currently in Russia visiting our family with two young children. We have our travel plans already prepaid for hotels. Booked everything ready to go, so it's really important that we get it resolved. But yeah don't worry it'll never happen again. I plan on getting her citizenship the day we get back to Canada. I should have already had it but Life gets in the way
Yeah, understandable. How did this go?
Why did you leave the country with an expired PR card ?

Sorry some of the responsibility falls on you
I do think that there are things that the gov't could do better here, like emailing and (postal) mailing reminders from Service Canada to remind folks when their PR cards will expire in a few months (we're required to keep our address up to date with IRCC right? So we know that they know it). Folks will still forget and the onus is still on them, but this seems like a cheap way to give additional support to people who have worked hard to earn the right to contribute to this country.
 
Yeah, understandable. How did this go?

I do think that there are things that the gov't could do better here, like emailing and (postal) mailing reminders from Service Canada to remind folks when their PR cards will expire in a few months (we're required to keep our address up to date with IRCC right? So we know that they know it). Folks will still forget and the onus is still on them, but this seems like a cheap way to give additional support to people who have worked hard to earn the right to contribute to this country.

Wouldn't it be simpler if they add the reminder in their calendar app, instead? Sometimes people missed important messages in their spam or junk folders of their email addresses.
 
Sometimes people missed important messages in their spam or junk folders of their email addresses.
Hence the postal mail suggestion as well.

Wouldn't it be simpler if they add the reminder in their calendar app, instead?
Why not both? Calendar app is not perfect, sometimes phones break. Or phones are turned off and the alert is missed.

Maybe even someone switches from Android to iPhone and manually moves over events and misses a couple.

The point is, if all of the above happened, that'd be great. Better odds on getting the card renewed on time.

Even so, that wouldn't save everyone and we'd expect some folks to still forget, even with all this. Nothing's 100%.
 
Hence the postal mail suggestion as well.
Canada Post strike not so long time ago! Someone might not even receive it.
Why not both? Calendar app is not perfect, sometimes phones break. Or phones are turned off and the alert is missed.

Maybe even someone switches from Android to iPhone and manually moves over events and misses a couple.

The point is, if all of the above happened, that'd be great. Better odds on getting the card renewed on time.

Even so, that wouldn't save everyone and we'd expect some folks to still forget, even with all this. Nothing's 100%.
Why they don't keep track themselves? If they don't travel or move to another province, no need to renew.
 
We got it..in the nick of time. Luckily we were visiting Moscow and took the passport to the office..it arrived back by courier like 3 hours before we had to fly out. It was not very fun waiting.

The system is fuc*ed.. as with all government systems. Our country is broken, but we will make sure to stay on top of this stuff. Applying for her passport as soon as I get home.
 
Canada Post strike not so long time ago! Someone might not even receive it.
Which is mostly harmless if it's just a reminder, agreed. They'll probably still get the email reminder. If they're unlucky enough to both lose the postal reminder (as a consequence of the strike) and the email (to spam folder or something) then hopefully their calendar app reminds them. Alas, even this can fail... but at this point I figure other ideas like automated phone calling and texting are too expensive (unless it's an optional service that the PR holder can sign up and pay for, but at that point the gov't no longer needs to be involved: there are things like https://www.lettertoyourself.com/ to snail mail yourself reminders and https://mygoodtrust.com/future-message for text messages)
If they don't travel or move to another province, no need to renew.
So in British Columbia - the province with the strictest rules that I could find - to renew your combined health card/DL there, as per https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/governments/government-id/bc-services-card/your-card/get-a-card - you need two pieces of ID, which are listed on https://www.icbc.com/driver-licensing/visit-dl-office/Accepted-ID

Importantly, a foreign passport is not accepted as a primary ID for this. A canadian passport, PR card, or (some types of) permits* issued by IRCC are.

Now my guess is, normally your about-to-expire or recently expired old BC card is the primary ID and then your foreign passport or credit card is your secondary ID. The BC card is accepted even if it's been expired, as long as it expired three years ago or less. If you're living in BC it's unlikely you'd let your card be expired for that long.

However, let's say your wallet is stolen and you lose your card. Without a PR card, a PR holder doesn't have the required primary ID to renew. Similar situation applies to a PR holder who had both PR card and the BC card in the (now stolen) wallet.

From https://www.canada.ca/en/immigratio...vices/application/check-processing-times.html current processing time is only 31 days to renew a PR card. On the other hand, for the BC cards, you get a paper copy as soon as you apply, so you basically have them right away. So this isn't quite the end of the world... but it could be quite inconvenient. (Imagine having to quit your job because you're required to drive, but you can't drive for a month because you're waiting for the PR card renewal.)

* Even the permits are not accepted as primary ID for the BC Photo ID or the combined BC card. It seems in this situation what would have to happen is that the permit holder would apply for a B.C. identification card (BCID) first using the permit as primary ID and foreign passport as secondary ID, and then later perhaps the eligibility would open up for the broader IDs using the BCID as the primary ID.
Why they don't keep track themselves?
I've already answered this and don't see a need to repeat myself. But, to repeat myself anyways, of course they should keep track themselves too, but this is a case where the gov't can be helpful.

So I guess, what's the compelling reason to make the gov't less helpful and less useful than it already is?

Now, to repeat another question,
Canada Post strike not so long time ago! Someone might not even receive it.

This happened to us during a previous strike (the same one as this thread is referring to if memory serves correctly, https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-i...estion-about-mailing-passport-to-ircc.597628/ )

Sent Passport to IRCC (as the actual passport was required), then Canada Post promptly lost it. We then went to the local police station, where the officer we spoke to said repeatedly that she'd never once ever trust her passport in the mail, ignoring the fact that we told her that we had no choice and the law requires this.

It seems that Canada Post also regularly loses PR cards in the mail, see https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-i...n-the-mail-how-to-apply-for-a-new-one.543344/ and https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-i...oard/threads/pr-card-lost-in-the-mail.481180/ and
Basically, I'm okay to have Canada Post mail a reminder to renew something, mostly because if the reminder gets lost it's not a big deal, I probably have other reminders set up like on my calendar app. However, thanks to multiple bad experiences, I viscerally hate trusting Canada Post with important documents and argue the law should be changed require IRCC to offer other options like UPS and FedEx (or anything really that's not Canada Post).
The system is fuc*ed.. as with all government systems. Our country is broken

Agreed. We should be asking how this can be made better. Especially those of us who are already citizens or about to become as such.
We got it..in the nick of time. Luckily we were visiting Moscow and took the passport to the office..it arrived back by courier like 3 hours before we had to fly out. It was not very fun waiting.

I can imagine. Glad to hear it worked out for you, though!
Applying for her passport as soon as I get home.

Oh, are you already a Canadian citizen - just traveling on your other passport? Or do you mean you'll start the citizenship application as soon as you return here (and get the passport ASAP as soon as that comes thru, which fyi can take close to a year nowadays).
 
We got it..in the nick of time. Luckily we were visiting Moscow and took the passport to the office..it arrived back by courier like 3 hours before we had to fly out. It was not very fun waiting.

The system is fuc*ed.. as with all government systems. Our country is broken, but we will make sure to stay on top of this stuff. Applying for her passport as soon as I get home.

Right . You left the country with an expired PR card and you’re complaining the system is fucked

Take some responsibility for the situation YOU put yourself in

If you had taken the initiative to renew the PR card PRIOR to leaving you wouldn’t have been in this predicament you basically made for yourself

But let’s blame the Government

Unbelievable
 
Take some responsibility for the situation YOU put yourself in

If you had taken the initiative to renew the PR card PRIOR to leaving you wouldn’t have been in this predicament you basically made for yourself

So I'm not sure why you ignored the earlier post from OP where OP does exactly this. I'll reproduce it for you again,
And yeah, I realized responsibility falls on me.
But yeah don't worry it'll never happen again.

Right . You left the country with an expired PR card and

If you had taken the initiative to renew the PR card PRIOR to leaving you wouldn’t have been in this predicament you basically made for yourself

But let’s blame the Government

While it's true that the OP did have some responsibility here, I think the complaint is still justified. OP ended up in the same situation as Helen Bobat: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/otta...ent-stranded-abroad-after-id-stolen-1.7504934

Unless you're saying Bobat bears responsibility for letting her wallet get stolen, it's possible for PRs who are abroad to do everything right and still end up in this situation.

you’re complaining the system is fucked

let’s blame the Government

Unbelievable

I guess it could be worse. The charter could be disemboweled and replaced with a system where a naturalized Canadian citizen who loses their Canadian passport abroad and reports it to some part of the federal gov't is automatically denaturalized without any sort of right of appeal.

In fact, there's no inherent reason why the consequences for a lost/stolen PR card have to be so dire. In Sweden, it works differently. According to border control can look you up by number and let you in. But most people who have the time are probably better off waiting for the right paperwork, which only takes 7-10 days.

Now, an expired PR card is a bit different, but - it seems to me that Canada can engage in something like the US CBP's Preclearance in foreign airports. And modify the rule so that if someone goes thru preclearance and CBSA approves them to enter Canada, then the airline is allowed to board them, PR card or not.

Basically, this one way of extending the land-border method to more places, giving folks who would have a hard time getting a US visa other options.