OINP Application sent in March 2016

[askoy]

Well all you can do now is try to address their concerns as best as you can and hope they accept it.

Good luck!

Dear Senior members,
I Need advice about your comprehension of the following sentence:
“The application indicates that you were self-employed and worked for Comp A, Comp B, Comp C and Comp D under NOC 2171. The information gathered from the application and other supplementary evidence indicates that you may not have a minimum of one year of continuous employment in the specified NOC occupation.”

1 - Is the problem coming from a number of hours of work (highly improbable since I have been working in the same field of activities for the last 10 years)?
2- A wrong NOC number affectation on most of the worked hours? (I’m in the threshold between 2171 and 2172 and I choosed 2171 in my application)

Advice welcome ;-)

 

[syedahraza]

Hi guys,

I got PFL on 20-Jan and I'm working on sending the documents to them, which will be done by this week.

I've sufficient funds to liquidate and re-send the docs they are asking. What do the experts in this forum think my chances are of getting Nominated?

PoF as stocks is difficult for OINP to convince them whether they will have the same value when they are liquidated. It will be better for you to first liquidate and deposit the money in your bank account. g126 also stressed on the same point.

 

[g126]

Dear Senior members,
I Need advice about your comprehension of the following sentence:
“The application indicates that you were self-employed and worked for Comp A, Comp B, Comp C and Comp D under NOC 2171. The information gathered from the application and other supplementary evidence indicates that you may not have a minimum of one year of continuous employment in the specified NOC occupation.”

1 - Is the problem coming from a number of hours of work (highly improbable since I have been working in the same field of activities for the last 10 years)?
2- A wrong NOC number affectation on most of the worked hours? (I’m in the threshold between 2171 and 2172 and I choosed 2171 in my application)

Advice welcome ;-)

I understand that you have not convinced them that you have in fact worked as NOC 2171 for a continuous period of 12 months... There are TWO concerns here. If you look at the FSW requirements:

Your work experience must be:

• at least one year (1,560 hours total / 30 hours per week), continuous full-time or an equal amount in part-time,
• paid work (volunteer work, unpaid internships do not count),
• in the same job,
• within the last 10 years, and (for OINP it's 5 years!!!)
• at skill type 0, or skill levels A or B of the 2011 National Occupational Classification (NOC).

I've placed in bold what I think you should specifically address. And note that OINP only count the last 5 years as per http://www.ontarioimmigration.ca/en/pnp/OI_PNP_EE_CAPITAL_QUALIFY.html.

First you must make sure you have 12 months (52 weeks or 365 days) of continuous employment under one NOC (in the same job). To me that means in the same company as if you changed jobs/employer you're very unlikely to manage to do this from one day to the next. I've only seen this when the employee has been outsourced and the outsourcing company assumes that employee so que leaves one employer and goes to another.

Basically get a period within your last 5 years work experience when you have stayed at least ONE year employed by the same company and mention that (note that you will need to get the reference letter from the company, pay slips, bank deposits, etc. - the works, this is a PFL and hence you LAST chance to address their concerns).

Another concern (although far less likely) they may have is that the reference letter for company A looks like NOC 2171 work, where as the reference letter from company B looks like NOC 2172 work... This may be OK, but you need to make sure that most of your work is NOC 2171 and not 2172.

Good luck!

 

[askoy]

Dear g126,

Thank you VERY much for the detailed answer.

They already have reference letter from Comp A saying that I have worked (invoiced) over 300 days (2400 Hours) between March 2014 and March 2016 in NOC 2172 (with invoice, contract and pay stub), and another letter from Comp B with also over 300 days between February 2011 and December 2013 in NOC 2171.
They ask these document in the November ADR and I received AOR on my reply.
I don't think there is not much more thing I can do ?

Maybe I should try to talk or write to my officer to sort that story of multiple NOC ?

 

[g126]

Dear g126,

Thank you VERY much for the detailed answer.

They already have reference letter from Comp A saying that I have worked (invoiced) over 300 days (2400 Hours) between March 2014 and March 2016 in NOC 2172 (with invoice, contract and pay stub), and another letter from Comp B with also over 300 days between February 2011 and December 2013 in NOC 2171.
They ask these document in the November ADR and I received AOR on my reply.
I don't think there is not much more thing I can do ?

Maybe I should try to talk or write to my officer to sort that story of multiple NOC ?

If you only consider CompA and CompB note that you don't have a continuos 365 day employment... This is the MAIN concern you need to address. OINP has run out of 2016 quota and they're getting extra picky, if you can't show that you're employed for more than 365 days without a break then they'll probably reject your application based on you not meeting that basic criteria.

Were you employed by these companies or did you have you own IT firm and you where a supplier (supplying them with IT services)?

 

[askoy]

If you only consider CompA and CompB note that you don't have a continuos 365 day employment... This is the MAIN concern you need to address. OINP has run out of 2016 quota and they're getting extra picky, if you can't show that you're employed for more than 365 days without a break then they'll probably reject your application based on you not meeting that basic criteria.

Were you employed by these companies or did you have you own IT firm and you where a supplier (supplying them with IT services)?

I have my own IT firm. I have 313 days with Comp A NOC 2172 and a total of 391 days with Comp B as a consultant for their customer NOC 2171.

 

[g126]

I have my own IT firm. I have 313 days with Comp A NOC 2172 and a total of 391 days with Comp B as a consultant for their customer NOC 2171.

Are the 395 days with Comp B continuous? If so bingo, highlight that and make sure you've provided the corresponding reference letters. If not then you'll need to argue that you have a business and as such you have been doing NOC 2171 work as a service for you customers for X years and that although it's the same job you never had a single contract that was at least 12 months long... good luck.

 

[pragith]

I've submitted whatever the officer asked for in PFL. Fingers crossed! ??? ??? ???

Any idea how long they take from PFL to decision?

 

[thestunner316]

I've submitted whatever the officer asked for in PFL. Fingers crossed! ??? ??? ???

Any idea how long they take from PFL to decision?

takes several weeks, i have seen cases of 3 months or more... you will have to wait and be patient unfortunately.

good luck

 

[syedahraza]

I've submitted whatever the officer asked for in PFL. Fingers crossed! ??? ??? ???

Any idea how long they take from PFL to decision?

I cannot say much about the timelines as it varies from officer to officer. All I can say that you need to be patient. Good luck.

 

[savco2000]

Hi everyone.

I recently got my Ontario nomination certificate in the mail but it's in French. I don't speak French. I took it in high school many years ago but didn't get past passé composé so I could figure out its expiry date but not the rest of the instructions.

All my communication with OINP so far has been in English. Is this normal? Should I ask them to resend it in English?

Thank you.

 

[Avaj]

Hi,

I am a March ONIP applicant still waiting for the nomination and my profile will be expired at the end of this month. I was asked for ADR in November and I sent the documents in five days. Although I received the acknowledgment for submitting the additional documents a day after, I was asked for resubmitting the documents last week!!! It seems that they couldn't find my email that I had sent in November including the documents. I resent the documents right away last week and again waiting …

Today I got ITA directly and I have 90 days to accept it.

Does anyone know:
1- Which one is better to follow: Federal, ONIP? I heard that the BGC may take much longer if you directly apply through Federal! Is that true?
2- As my profile will be expired at the end of this month, what will happen for my ITA If I do not accept it before my EE profile is expired?
3- If I accept the ITA, do I need to withdraw my ONIP application?

Many thanks for your time and help.

 

[g126]

Hi everyone.

I recently got my Ontario nomination certificate in the mail but it's in French. I don't speak French. I took it in high school many years ago but didn't get past passé composé so I could figure out its expiry date but not the rest of the instructions.

All my communication with OINP so far has been in English. Is this normal? Should I ask them to resend it in English?

Thank you.

It's not normal but given OINPs track record responding I wouldn't bother... just stick with it and go for ITA. Get some one to translate it for you if you have any doubts. Good luck.

 

[g126]

Hi,

I am a March ONIP applicant still waiting for the nomination and my profile will be expired at the end of this month. I was asked for ADR in November and I sent the documents in five days. Although I received the acknowledgment for submitting the additional documents a day after, I was asked for resubmitting the documents last week!!! It seems that they couldn't find my email that I had sent in November including the documents. I resent the documents right away last week and again waiting ...

Today I got ITA directly and I have 90 days to accept it.

Does anyone know:
1- Which one is better to follow: Federal, ONIP? I heard that the BGC may take much longer if you directly apply through Federal! Is that true?
2- As my profile will be expired at the end of this month, what will happen for my ITA If I do not accept it before my EE profile is expired?
3- If I accept the ITA, do I need to withdraw my ONIP application?

Many thanks for your time and help.

1. This is a fairy tale... actually today the FSW process it taking less time than the PNP. So my sugestion is to go for the ITA and forget about the nomination. That way you won't have to settle in Ontario if you do t want to.
2. Once you get ITA you profile freezes, it won't expire. But you must either accept and submit the documents or decline before the 90 day deadline other your profile will be canceled
3. No, forget about OINP.

 

[Avaj]

1. This is a fairy tale... actually today the FSW process it taking less time than the PNP. So my sugestion is to go for the ITA and forget about the nomination. That way you won't have to settle in Ontario if you do t want to.
2. Once you get ITA you profile freezes, it won't expire. But you must either accept and submit the documents or decline before the 90 day deadline other your profile will be canceled
3. No, forget about OINP.

Many thanks g126.