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Discussion in 'Provincial Nomination Program Immigration' started by Debukola, Sep 4, 2019.
No draw as of today... I guess
Finally some more detailed news
As I understood it there will be a platform listing available jobs and at the same time it will be an immigration application of some sort. So, when applying to a job via this platform and applicant will also submit information that would qualify him/her for RNIP program.
Also, as I understood the work permit issued will be temporary and not permanent, so that people don't just "run" to bigger cities once they are in Canada.
You also hear what kind of jobs are likely to be needed. Lots of services jobs. There may be some trade jobs but you are unlikely to see many professional jobs. Expect a lot of the healthcare jobs will be lower paying like PSW and LPNs.
I'm neither optimistic not pessimistic about this project.
I just think we need to wait to see what is really on offer.
The fact that its a temporary work permit will be disappointing to lots of people. Sure if we get in we can always apply for PR after a few years but age will still be a mitigating factor. Thanks so much for always updating us btw!
You are welcome. I'm just waiting to see how this program will work and considering it myself since I would prefer living in a small community rather than a big city.
I start applying job 2 months ago. One company offered to interview me and thought I was there. When I replied I was not in Canada, they didn't accept me
Think other people have unrealistic expectations of the problem and were hoping that all the spaces will result in jobs and that the jobs will be professional jobs because they are slightly short on qualifying for other programs. Many figured they could put up with working in a smaller city and eventually move to a larger city.
Same here. I started applying in august but I realised after a while that employers are not willing to go any further with you if you're not in that province/town. So I feel waiting for the approved employer list and NOCs is best that way we aren't just wasting our time applying.
Nobody ever encouraged people to apply to random jobs in these towns and cities. Only certain employers are going to want to risk doing the program especially in the first year. I am sure there is likely time and expense associated with the program for the employers.
Pls calm down . I never said anyone encouraged anybody to do anything. I was merely agreeing with you and giving my opinion as to what I'd noticed.
You just posted that you started applying for jobs in August although IRCC was telling people they would eventually announce more information about the program and still hasn’t announced the full details. Don’t think you would have ever applied for jobs in the area had you not known where the northern rural immigration program sites were. Not sure why you thought you should apply to random jobs without waiting for the announcement about the program? I am sure nobody except Canadians ever apply for jobs in many of these cities and most of the employers would not hire anyone unless they had ties to the community or could count on employees to remain in the area for at least a few years. That is why you likely got so many replies. Everyone assumed you were already in Canada because almost no immigrant would think to apply there. If people complain about the weather in Southern Canada and lack of activity in the cities they would be in for a huge adjustment going to most of these cities. Most employers would need to know you could stick it out for the long run or at least many years.
Then what's the entire purpose of this program? Anyone can visit Canada and interview with companies there. If they want to hire you then you will get a work permit and can start working and living in Canada soon after. After that there are a myriad of ways to gain PR. The entire gatekeeper for most is that employers are not willing to wait for months for applicants to get all their visa stuff ready. No job is open for months and the employer is just waiting for some chap from Bangladesh or Belgium to get visa approvals and work permissions. I thought the entire program was designed on one side to help fill low pay jobs in rural communities and on the other hand to match up employers, who understand that the applicant cannot start working tomorrow, with foreign labor still abroad. Poorly thought-through program as most skilled labor programs.
When there is no employer who is willing to wait and sponsor applicants but still wants cheap foreign labor then that is an issue of baking the cake and wanting to eat it, too. Can't have both.
I said this in compassion for all the hopefuls here who think this program is a godsent. It was if the jobs were not so low level jobs that nobody else in those communities wants to do them and if the program actually screened and only let employers pass who are really willing to wait and go with the applicant through the process of visa approvals and work permissions and residence permits. But unfortunately those employers don't have realistic expectations at all. And sadly this is the result of poor management of those who manage immigration programs like this. I speak up in order to make those in government aware of the issues applicants are facing. If some feel so uncomfortable to read anything negative then they can ignore me. I speak up to raise issues that make no sense.
There are tons of countries that are not visa exempt so no many people can’t just fly to Canada and get apply for jobs or attend interviews in person. We haven’t seen most of the details of the program but would assume there will be no need for LMIAs and employers will be screened beforehand. Like in PNP programs, most immigrants apply to get into the Maritimes, MB or SK but have no intention of actually remaining there defeating the whole purpose of the program which is to try to attract skills and employees into an area where there is need for workers and population growth. Think that would be an example of immigrants having their cake an eating it too. They get PR but get to move to where they originally wanted to but couldn’t get approved. The rural program is an attempt to match up employers with people who must agree to remain in that area although we have yet to see how that will be enforced. Employers may be more likely to pick people who have lived in rural areas their whole lives versus a candidate who has only lived in large cities. They may select an employee over another if there is already people from the same country, ethnic group or religion living in the area. If someone is very religious but there is no church/temple/mosque in 1 hour from the town the candidate may not be right for the job. Is there a couple applying are there jobs available for both of them? I see this program as a better attempt at securing employees that will remain in that region longterm and a bit of a matchmaking process. I saw many expecting software engineering, finance jobs, etc. which would not be available in many small to mid sized cities. A bit of research should had made it clear that the program would be mostly service jobs with some semi-skilled, trades and skilled jobs. Applicants were the ones who had unexpected expectations. A little research about the industries in the area and the towns/cities locations would have provided a lot of clarity about the chances of high skilled or highly specialized employment. Can’t blame the program for people counting on it to be their godsend. In many of these towns or cities there will be need for lower skilled and lower paid jobs. The cost of things like housing are also much lower so even a lower to middle class income will go further especially since the minimum wage is much higher in many of the provinces versus places like the Maritimes. There may be the need for network managers but not software developers, perhaps some basic wealth management (RRSPs, TFSAs, RESPs) but not complex wealth management or trading jobs, bookkeeping or accounting for small businesses but not actuaries or complex accounting for large business, maybe power line technicians versus engineers, etc. I also have compassion for many of the high skilled people counting down the days until this program opened because they were counting on it being their ticket to Canada but likely never intended to remain in that city past when they had to so they were also trying to use the program for their longterm goals. A few years of pain until they could move to the big city and apply to the jobs they wanted or lived in the city they wanted. The program wasn’t designed for these people in the first place and the eventual program is trying to weed candidates exactly like this.
That would be great if it was so. However, early indications show that this is not the case. But there is always hope that employers that participate in this program will come around and understand that applicants are abroad while applying and hence the time frame between the initial application and the first workday can be many months. Regarding your other points, you paint a very bleak picture. So, you are saying that improving probabilities whether someone will settle in that area will justify religious and racial profiling? There are already laws in place that invalidate even PR if an applicant who applied through a PNP or regional pilot decides that the specific region he/she initially settles does not work for him/her anymore. So, to me the profiling you propose opens pandora's box and strongly contradicts the values that Canada on a federal level is promoting. There is zero need to profile in terms of religious belief or which ethnic group has already settled and which not.
I think we can all agree that the regional programs focus on labor shortages of those regions and those are most likely not of the white-collar type. I don't think that is contentious. What is contentious is that the programs are promoted as some sort of viable pathways for families from abroad when the actual jobs pay minimum wage and are of the type that no other person locally wants to do. If you seriously think that an immigrant roofer somewhere in a town of 2000 people will be paid enough to feed a family then I think you are equally mistaken as the people you criticize who look at this program with the wrong job expectations. Many of those open jobs are jobs that are of very low skill level and pay very little and are usually performed by single/unmarried individuals in their early very early ages. Speaking of nurses or caregivers, no town of 1000 or so people has a hospital or elderly home and the only jobs such person would perform would be working in a mini private practice or at someone's home. Essentially this boils down to jobs that are of an equal level as a domestic caregiver, certainly not jobs that someone performs and that enable one to settle down. Domestic caregivers have their entire families back in their home countries and they earn a pittance and remit the little they earn to feed their families back home. One can certainly not speak of a job that earns enough to enable one to settle down.
I agree with you on the last point you made. Dishonesty of a few individuals should, however, not be generalized to a broad population. Yes, there are always some bad apples in the crowd but I think the large majority of people have realistic expectations of those rural communities and the specific lifestyle people lead there. What I criticize is how this program is advertised. It will be incredibly hard to secure a job offer from abroad and I do not believe this will change. This is the same problem with all PNP programs that require a valid job offer from a Canadian employer. Hardly any employer will issue a job offer for someone who currently lives abroad, period. This is based on empirical evidence. So, in the end, those specific programs that require a valid job offer do not solve any of the problems on either side. Someone who can easily travel to Canada will do so and with a lot of hard work and a healthy dose of luck will secure a job offer and get a temporary work permit and start working. After some time in the job, various opportunities arise to pursue PR. However, for all those, as you initially mentioned, that cannot easily visit Canada, those programs do not offer any opportunities at all. This, I think, is what most on this website do not understand. It is hard enough as a foreigner without residence and work permit to secure a job offer in Canada even with sought after skills and by showing up and interviewing in person. It is virtually impossible for anyone to do so remotely. Of course, there are a few who succeed but the reality is that they represent perhaps 1 or 2 in 100 cases.
The only programs that make sense are programs such as what SINP offers, a thorough vetting process that, however, does not require a valid job offer. The sponsored applicant will arrive and starts searching for jobs WITH A VALID WORK AND RESIDENCE PERMIT. That is what works. All other approaches succeed with equal opportunities as playing the lottery. But hey, there are enough desperate hopefuls out there who play the lottery, so I guess the provinces and government probably think why not catering to those desperate to fill our dirty jobs that nobody else wants. This is the reality and truth and it would be commendable if Canada and the Canadian provinces were more honest and forthcoming about this truth.
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