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Hello, I am getting really confused about what I read on the CIC website: https://www.cicnews.com/2025/10/wha...medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter-20251015

On there they said that IRCC confirmed that "The need to include a lifelong travel history, rather than only travel history as an adult or in the five or ten years preceding your application, has been confirmed in recent correspondence between immigration lawyers and Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada (IRCC)."

They mention that this applicable to question 13: "Do you currently, or have you ever held immigration or citizenship status in a country or territory other than Canada (this includes your country of birth)?”

They say "While some applicants may mistake immigration status to mean longer-term authorizations, such as study or work permits, the requirement also includes disclosure of visitor status.In the above example, in which a person only visited a country for a few hours as part of a layover, they would likely disclose their status as “visitor” in their application. This would also apply to countries/territories visited as a tourist"

Is this a new change ? This means any country I traveled to, even for a day, since birth, needs to be included (and most of them you would say you were a visitor). This seems completely insane and worse than the PR application but CIC seems like a legit website so really confused about that one.

Does anyone have read or know anything about this ?
 
Hello, I am getting really confused about what I read on the CIC website: https://www.cicnews.com/2025/10/wha...medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter-20251015

On there they said that IRCC confirmed that "The need to include a lifelong travel history, rather than only travel history as an adult or in the five or ten years preceding your application, has been confirmed in recent correspondence between immigration lawyers and Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada (IRCC)."

They mention that this applicable to question 13: "Do you currently, or have you ever held immigration or citizenship status in a country or territory other than Canada (this includes your country of birth)?”

They say "While some applicants may mistake immigration status to mean longer-term authorizations, such as study or work permits, the requirement also includes disclosure of visitor status.In the above example, in which a person only visited a country for a few hours as part of a layover, they would likely disclose their status as “visitor” in their application. This would also apply to countries/territories visited as a tourist"

Is this a new change ? This means any country I traveled to, even for a day, since birth, needs to be included (and most of them you would say you were a visitor). This seems completely insane and worse than the PR application but CIC seems like a legit website so really confused about that one.

Does anyone have read or know anything about this ?
I can only state this: virtually everyone who applies interprets it in the more restrictive form (i.e. must disclose eg permanent resident status, long-term stays such as longer-term work permits, study permits, and of course citizenship).

1) And I have not seen ANY reports here of IRCC coming back to applicants and asking them to provide all places they visited. It's moronic - they don't even

2) Add to this: going through this with spouse where IRCC requested copies of all pages of passports. Hundreds of pages (lot of travel, specific situation). Did a phone interview with the IRCC agent - who did not once ask for details of 'immigration status' for all the places travelled to. (We did provide some detailed info related to a few stamps because it affected the total days for physical presence).

From these experiences and the LACK of reports that anyone at IRCC asks for all places visited to be disclosed for those (everyone!) who leaves this information out, I interpret that this is how they do things 'in practice.'

What does the CIC website article tell us? IMO: if you ask a question by email or on facebook, without context, you will sometimes get VERY stupid answers. Unless you can be certain that the person responding actually knows what they are talking about - and in this case, I'm convinced that person does not.
 
Hello, I am getting really confused about . . .
. . . question 13: "Do you currently, or have you ever held immigration or citizenship status in a country or territory other than Canada (this includes your country of birth)?”


Question 13 in the citizenship application:

"Do you currently, or have you ever held immigration or citizenship status in a country or territory other than Canada (this includes your country of birth)?”

For sure, at minimum, the application form is asking the applicant to disclose ALL formal grants of immigration status since birth, including citizenship acquired as an incident of birth. So, to fully answer Question 13 applicants should, at the least, disclose ALL visas and immigration permits they have been issued. Including visitor visas.

That said, as a practical matter in multiple respects it is probably OK to approach this particular question a little casually and NOT fully answer this question. That is, it is probably OK in the sense that MOST applicants are not likely to run into problems because they fail to disclose some past visa or such, even though the application asks for that information, particularly if the failure to disclose is about short visits to countries years before the citizenship applicant's eligibility period.

But that is NO guarantee a failure to disclose this information will always get a pass.

As always, applicants need to exercise discretion and use their own best judgment in how they answer IRCC's questions. If there was a formal visa or permit issued, that's a big clue it should be disclosed. Even if it was a visitor visa. Even if there is not much risk of a problem if the applicant fails to disclose it.

So no need to obsess over what details to disclose in Q 13. Most applicants will be able to provide at least most of this information. "Do your best" one might say. Use personal judgment, if some of this information is left out, to decide whether to include explanation some of this information is unavailable.

Question 13 Does NOT, However, Ask the Applicant to Disclose "Travel History:"

To be clear, the CIC News article titled "What travel history do I have to disclose in my Canadian citizenship application?" is well off the mark, conflating travel history with the individual's history of immigration status. Question 13 does not ask for or require the disclosure of travel history. Even if, as the article claims, someone at IRCC has informed a lawyer to the contrary, that applicants for citizenship must "include a lifelong travel history" (which the article claims "has been confirmed in recent correspondence" between immigration lawyers and IRCC), that does not make it true. After all, there is NO place in the chart for Q 13 to even enter travel history.

A more or less obvious example: For a PR applying for citizenship October 2025 had been issued a visitor visa or a work permit to CountryX good for one year back in 2007, the visa issued March 19, 2007 and expiring March 18, 2008. No matter how many times this individual entered and exited CountryX during that year, this is disclosed on one line in the Q 13 chart, only listing 2007-03-19 as the date status was obtained, and 2008-03-18 as the end date. That would fully answer the question. No need to give any details about travel dates (except to the extent a date corresponds to the date status was acquired or ended).

Meanwhile, if the applicant does not include information about that 2007 visa or permit in Q 13 it is, nonetheless, NOT likely to come up or be questioned in processing the application, very unlikely to cause any significant issues or concerns. (Note, contrary to what is a common attitude often seen in this forum, just because other applicants, even most, even almost all others, did not run into a problem doing things a certain way does NOT necessarily mean that was the right way to do it, and if it is contrary to what the instructions specify, it is NOT the right way no matter how rarely IRCC enforces the applicable rules about it.)

What about visa-exempt travel? That could be a little tricky, especially since the "status" a person has in any other country depends on the law of that country, not Canadian law. Here again, probably no call to sweat it.

I lean toward disclosing formally issued visas, permits, or such, and interpreting permission to travel in a country without being issued a formal visa or such as permission to travel in that country without immigration status there. Nothing to disclose. (I could very easily be wrong about this, but that would amount to a mistake, not misrepresentation by omission, and it is very difficult to imagine IRCC having issues about this.)
 
Further Explanation and Observations:

. . . question 13: "Do you currently, or have you ever held immigration or citizenship status in a country or territory other than Canada (this includes your country of birth)?”

. . . Is this a new change ?

This question was added to the grant citizenship application in February 2019, in paper application form CIT 0002 (02-2019)E . . . it was not in the previous application forms including the form adopted in June 2017, that is CIT 0002 (06-2017)E.

The status column was revised to include a drop down list of statuses that includes "visitor" status in the October 2020 version CIT 0002 (10-2020)E.

Since this question has been asked since early 2019 (and has specifically included "visitor" in the status list since October 2020) that means around a million or more immigrants to Canada have applied for and become Canadian citizens since this question was added to the application. That's long enough ago, involving more than enough applicants, that if applicants were running into significant problems due to this particular question we would have most likely (perhaps almost certainly) seen a lot more discussion and evidence of that here in this forum.

So to some extent I agree with @armoured's approach, a somewhat casual interpretation of the question oriented to a practical application of common-sense. I agree to the extent that approach is likely to be OK, BUT I have some concerns about this -- I lean a lot in the direction of following the instructions, when in doubt or otherwise.

In contrast, however, the CIC News article says the applicant needs to disclose all "travel history" including all entry and exit dates for travel to other countries, even for brief layovers. There is no hint IRCC is asking applicants for the latter, and indeed I agree that "seems completely insane."

Even though we have not seen signs this question is causing problems, you are not the first here (nowhere near the first) to ask about the scope of the question, including in particular whether applicants are being asked to disclose visitor status. In regards to this I will note again that since "visitor" is in the drop down in the status column for Q 13 (again, Q 13 added in 2019 and the list including visitor status was added in 2020), that's a rather strong indication IRCC is asking applicants to disclose visitor status. But what that practically means is not necessarily all that clear.

The Source You Reference: CIC News article titled "What travel history do I have to disclose in my Canadian citizenship application?"

The very recent CIC News article about this was written by Asheesh Moosapeta who, as I understand it, is NOT a lawyer, not an immigration professional. That said, CIC News is a relatively reliable source that is not at all akin to posts in Facebook (as it appears @armoured suggests), or for that matter to posts here.

In particular . . .
What does the CIC website article tell us? IMO: if you ask a question by email or on facebook, without context, you will sometimes get VERY stupid answers. Unless you can be certain that the person responding actually knows what they are talking about - and in this case, I'm convinced that person does not.

Let's be clear: there is a lot of misinformation posted in this forum. For example, even many regular participants in this forum continue to erroneously say that if a PR is subject to a 44(1) Report for Inadmissibility at a Port-of-Entry that would be the "beginning" of the process to revoke PR status when, in fact, the process for revoking/terminating PR status based on inadmissibility for failing to comply with the RO is started and completed (finalized) attendant the PoE examination (subject to the right of appeal, and in some instances subject to exceptions such as where the hearing/interview and decision whether to issue a Removal Order or set the Report aside for H&C reason is delayed).

So far as I can discern (noting the CIC News coverage goes well beyond not just what in recent years I follow but beyond what I have followed in Canadian immigration going back to 2007 and before), the CIC site is a considerably more reliable source of general immigration news than this forum. But it is journalism, news commentary, not legal advice. And should be understood in that context. (Noting, with a sigh, it tends to offer quite a bit of advice, and in regard to that the caution expressed by @armoured is very well taken.)

Not only do I disagree with some of the information published at the CIC News website, and as good as some articles are, some articles do indeed seem rather off the mark, there are some so far off the mark that the author appears to not know what they are talking about. And in regards to this particular article, as @armoured framed it: "in this case, I'm convinced that person does not." Yeah, looks that way.

That said, I consider a lot of the responsibility for the confusion is in IRCC's hands. The temptation is to use the "blame" word, as in blame IRCC, but over the years I have come to appreciate that IRCC deliberately uses certain terms imprecisely and some instructions that are deliberately vague, and that there often is rhyme and reason, good reason, underlying this. Gets complicated.

It seems to me, for example, that IRCC often asks for more than it expects and that this is often done using broad or vague terms. I have mixed feelings about it but I understand that IRCC often wants a little more, and particularly may want leverage to justify increased scrutiny.

Immigration Status versus Travel History:

This particular CIC News article is purportedly about what "travel history" must be disclosed in an application for citizenship (just framing the issue in terms of disclosing "travel history" outside the eligibility period is misleading enough to characterize it as erroneous). The author conflates immigration status and travel history. BUT, to be clear, there simply is NO place in the application Question 13 to disclose travel history dates, only the dates that an immigration status started and the date it ended.

This is easily illustrated by a simple example: someone who was granted Permanent Resident status in CountryX, say that was April 25, 2010, and they still have that status. Does not matter how many times they entered and exited CountryX, all Q 13 asks for is the name of the country (first column), type of status ("Permanent resident" is in the drop down list in the second column), and since the status is listed there is no need to describe it in the third "Other" column, and then, finally, there are two columns for the date status was obtained and end date "if applicable." For this example, the only date that needs to be disclosed is 2010-04-25 in the column for listing the date this status was obtained. Does not matter if the person applying for citizenship entered and exited CountryX six or eight times a year, over a hundred times in the last 15 years, all Q 13 is asking for is that one date.

Of course a definitive immigration status like Permanent Residence makes this quite straight-forward.

What about visitor status for example? The drop down status list includes visitor status but the detailed instructions for Q 13 only lists "student, employment/worker, refugee/protected person, permanent resident or citizen" as examples of status.

Avoiding that morass, and sorting out factually challenging cases, for now anyway, it is worth focusing on what is clear. If a person has been issued a visa, that's a grant of immigration status. That should clarify things a little. If a visitor visa has been issued, Q 13 is asking for that to be disclosed.

That brings up the more or less casual, practical application of common-sense approach which @armoured referenced and which probably describes how most approach this question. Here's my take: if a visitor visa was issued, IRCC is clearly asking for that to be disclosed in the application BUT my sense is in line with @armoured and the view that the failure to disclose past visitor status is not likely to come up or be questioned in processing the application, very unlikely to cause any significant issues or concerns. . . . unless, of course, there is something in the applicant's past and relationship to a particular country or a particular trip there that raises questions for IRCC to wrestle with.

So, as I said earlier in this post: applicants should exercise discretion and use their best personal judgment.