I see your point that why my wife cannot travel with me because there is no clear documentation of my case. What do you think if I call the CBSA can they clarify?
Why moving stuff can be an issue?
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Why moving stuff can be an issue?
Not sure what you are referring to when it comes to lack of documentation. On a TRV you can not move to Canada you can visit. CBSA can deny entry if they see that your spouse is moving to Canada. Nobody can anticipate what will happen at the border. You can call CBSA but I assume they will confirm that individuals with a TRV can not move to Canada.
Oh, I see what you mean. Yeah, she is not moving permanently with me. After say 1 or 2 months, the plan is that she will move back to India. It is more like a visit only.
so can citizens enter without a passport in to Canada? it is just the same as that. for flight, travel document is compulsory for anyone. other than voting rights and mandatory residency requirements, PRs pretty much have same rights as that of citizens to enter and live in Canada.
If she already has a flight booked that would be excellent evidence that she is only visiting you. Also depends on what belongings you are moving to Canada. If CBSA sees a household of both your belongings that may be a concern for them. Some have had the PR move on their own. Nobody can predict what will happen at the border but would make sure you don't state that your spouse is moving to Canada although it will be pretty clear that she is.
Can't compare a PR card and a passport. They aren't equivalent travel documents.
but tell us what extra privileges citizens have while entering Canada that is not available for PR holders.. both cannot be denied entry.. both need travel document to fly. what additional privilege do citizens have when it comes to entry?
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Citizens only be allowed without denial and have rights to enter the country. This is universal in all countries.
Rights inside the country for PR is totally different from the right to enter the country.
Example: Visa ban in US made few GC people being booked while landing and returned. GC/PR has very very little right in entering the country.
If PR is same as citizen then why do you think we have a category called PR, they should have issued you a passport instead. So both are not equal in entering the country. canuck78 is correct.
I said there are no differences when it comes to entry, not in general sense. I mentioned it only from entering Canada perspective. Of course there are differences between both.. PRs don't have voting rights, cannot run in politics, and are obliged by residency conditions... these are very big differences between PR and citizens. your statement "very very little right" is absolutely not true at least w.r.t Canada. PRs have full rights to enter the country.. that's why even people who don't meet RO are being let in after reported. Even Canadian government website lists only voting rights, clearance and RO as main difference between PR and citizens..
What permanent residents cannot do
You are not allowed to:
- vote or run for political office,
- hold some jobs that need a high-level security clearance.
If you have anything that says anything different between PRs and citizens from entry perspective, please post it here. Also, just watch JT interview yesterday.. he clearly says they cannot deny entry to citizens and PRs legally.
also, I don't understand why you are bringing GC here.. US has different set of requirements and privileges to their permanent residents.. we were discussing about Canada.
Ok, if we/Mr. prime minister worried about is the health of our families or elderly(according to his routine speech). But i do not get the point what is he actually worried about? Is it people travelling daily to US are safe from virus and comeback here and do not spread it here asymptomatically or is it the people who travel once a month and do their quarantine part and are actually contributing to the safety of fellow canadians? Yes, ofcourse i am a monthly commuter but the measures he is taking are utterly BS scaring people with fines and torturing them mentally.
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Just wanted to update what I heard from the CBSA helpline. I called them twice to see how different officers might react to the scenario. I explained my situation that I am PR but my wife has a visitor visa and she will be in the same car with me, is that a problem? Both officers said the same thing that it is not a problem as long as she can prove that she is an immediate family member(spouse in this case).
The first officer gave a list of things my wife has to carry/declare while she is at the border, which we kind of know already:
1. Negative Covid test result
2. Proof of relationship with me(Marriage Certificate)(She will carry the last 2 years of rental lease agreements as well where both of us are there)
3. Copy of my PR card
4. At least 15 days of stay she has to mention(Quarantine plan)
The second officer went into more details about my PR. He asked me all the details about when did I become PR, when is it expiring. I think he was assessing if I know the PR terms. When I asked him about my wife travelling with me on a visitor visa in the same car, he was not concerned. He also said the same things the first officer said that negative Covid result, marriage certificate, my PR copy etc is required. He even went on to say that once your spouse is talking to an officer, she can mention that she is moving with you and officer can give her visitor record which will allow her to stay more than 6 months while I apply for her PR/work permit. I did not ask this question but he explained this to me in a very nice way. It feels as if this was a very normal case for them. I asked again that but on visitor visa you can only stay a max of 6 months in one go but he again said that you will have to apply for inland sponsorship so you will need extended stay for your wife.
I know things can be different once we are at the border but talking to the border officers made me feel a little relaxed.
As said it is up to the officer's discretion. Other officers have questioned people and asked for proof of residences for the visitor and proof they will be returning home. Most couples I know have had the PR move their stuff alone and have their spouse enter separately. Based on the actual terms of a TRV your spouse can't move to Canada. She can visit for 6 months. I have never heard of any border official offering to give more than 6 months when a spouse enters with a citizen or PR. You don't seem to have mentioned that you will be travelling with the contents of your own home. Are you importing cars? In her name? The issues usually start due to moving all of your items from the US to Canada. Wish you the best of luck but you can't guarantee what will happen at the border. Perhaps they are being nicer because of covid.
I know it is up to the officer's discretion.
I know a Visitor visa is not for moving to Canada but I am telling what the CBSA helpline officer told me.
I did mention that I am moving my stuff from the USA to Canada. Officer mentioned you will be considered a former resident because I am a PR and it has been more than a year that I am outside Canada.
I am importing my car and that is in my name, not my spouse. And even other stuff is on my name.
I know nobody can guarantee what happens at the border.