Thank God there are some great people like 90% of you great cool new Canadians who understand me and give me a break!
I told you all this earlier that I am a huge fan of human rights, pleasure, fun, love and support for all human beings and the fact I am so confused and so in many ways disappointed in much of my personal Canadian experience was not due to the people and/or many cool stuff here, but due to this underlying discrimination that is ongoing and a lot of dillema's that are not sorted out here and the influx of many immigrants to this country with hopes and high expectations that sadly will be shattered in many cases and need to settle down and in with far less that they initially were expeting, but by far, I didn't mention anything of hate and/or as to discourage people to come over here.
It is "MY" thread, yes and it is "MY" personal experience and views that I am sharing with all of you. This way all of you and all those secret readers and new guests to this forum can truly feel and experience how I as a new immigrant experience this whole new event in my life and can be prepared.
It is so confusing to really try your best and really truly hard to get to somewhere that sadly isn't resulting to anything of good due to many barriers and dillema's that I just mentioned and all that simply because this country is a young nation and still needs a lot of bright forward looking far sighted people with an open attitude and happy attitude to embrace it all and slowly change the atmosphere here and make it a better place for all of us to live and so hopefully, sometime in near future, the earlier the better, we see people coming in here and say" hey, I found a job because I was really qualified for it" and not say " I can't find a job, because I don't have a Canadian job experience bla bla bla " which is partially the case for many of us as to be rejected and disappointed all the time and for all of you, holding high degree's and expertise to find the right job that is suit for you, tailored to your skills and to go from there and so ...
NONE OF US NEED TO GO AND LOOK FOR A SURVIVAL JOB!!!!!
because I myself being an immigrant to the Netherlands 20 years ago, do recall my first job which was an administrative job and all that even despite my poor knowledge of Dutch language at the time and hardly any administrative skills or previous experience but I was given the job because they believed in me and they needed fresh talented people like me and not because I was networking because networking doesn't exist in the Netherlands. You are given a job because you apply for it yourself and not because somebody is referring you to it or is doing a good word for you!
I was given a job and I went from there and improved my skills to the level I am in today. But I come to Canada, as a multi-lingual person, with an impressive resume and I have to find "survival jobs"???!!!! because they don't care? because I lack Canadian job experience? because I lack the right degrees and/or certificated according to Canadian standards?!!! because this, because that???? ...
be honest, all of you are facing the same misery, all of you are going through the same nonsense and all of you are somehow sometime in your life so far in here, have been dealing with the same frustrations and dillema's as to WHY? WHY? and again "WHY? do they require me to provide them with this and that?"
That is all such nonsense and just purely because of the FACT that employers here want to cut in their spenditure, save up on their precious money and hire only people who know how to deal with JAVA, SAP, ORACLE, SQL, WEBDESIGN, UNIX, LINUX, RAC, etc etc etc just to the right candidate for some data base administration job?????? :-X to multitask and know multiple skills as for fulfill only ONE position that leaves the poor yet talented employee like you, being an IT, frustrated, tired, exhausted, confronted and messed up and resulting in an end product that is nowhere close to perfection because how on Earth can you deal with so many when you are required to deliver perfection as end product?
They want an administrative assistant who should be bi-lingual, be an executive assistant, be a receptionist, be this, be that, been doing this and been doing that for at least 10 years (which in my case is no problem) but you are totally ignored simply because you can't show them the proper related Canadian job experience?! :-X
Be honest with yourself and go ask and wonder these issues yourself in prior to attacking me for being a racist which I am not and being of this and that which I am not and never intended to say or to do or to hurt or harm you and don't wait for me to offer any of you my apologies, because I shall not do offer anybody an apology because I am not one of those in charge of the job market or the whole unbalanced system here that leaves you upset and for the fact that the truth hurts and you don't want to hear the truth and face your own misery all over again!
I am clear, honest and say at loud what I think but it doesn't mean I do that in real time too.
This is Canada and is not the heaven on Earth! it is not a Paradise and you can not compare it to either Europe or USA!
It is a harsh climate in which people live here and I can tell you that here, you are going to end up living in Parallels and not exactly in line with all of the rest. It will be "you" and "me", "they" and "us" and if you don't like it, then skip this whole adventure, if you can deal with it, no problem, get yourself here, live with it and don't complain if you have to first go and seek for a survival job holding any high degree and receiving recognition and appreciaton for your years of excellent expertise and talents back home!
We have to be able to discuss such and be able to freely speak and open up the dialogue as to discuss such and not go and attack each and anybody who says something you might not find "fun" and take it as "insult" because that doesn't make you any better and just as low as those who sue each and everybody they don't like or might find offfensive which is the case here and that has resulted in a society that is forced to be alert, keeping up appearances and never speak up!
It puts pressure on people and forces all and everybody to live a double life! they smile at you in public or only if they need you for your money, while they hate you for being here or being yourself or who are, behind your back and once you are out of their vision! Is that what you like?
I don't care if you are Turkish, Algerian, Polish, Philippino, Chinese what so ever. I have friends from all layers of the society and in all colors, shapes and with different views, expertise, back grounds etc etc.
Which one of you can come forward and tell me that he or she has had 16 job interviews in let's say 2 months? Which one of you have worked as Sales Associate, Cashier, Receptionist, Booking Agent and a Hostess at the same time?
I was and am prob. the only one here who faces the CEO of CIBC bank in the morning who was on his way to this huge meeting with many of the big names that you might only see in newspaper or not even on TV, while a few hours later, I am working with a lot of those " nobody's" like myself from all across the planet arranging racks, cleaning floors and deal with supervisors who don't know your name let alone what you do!!!
Anyway ...
This is my topic, this is my thread and if you dont like my tone or attitude, there is the door, use it!
I am not going to offer anybody here, my apologies and I am despite of my upcoming plans still trying so hard my best to find a solution and to see if I can stay here because no matter how good or pleasant life in Europe might be, it is still a boring place where one is limited in his or her movements and subject to boredom and where people have become like zombies too and so passive because it doesn't matter if you work hard or not, if you network or not, you will be taken care of nicely by the government anyway and so, who cares, let's live our own life and if the neighbor is in trouble, we don't care because he or she can seek for a safety net unlike here, that people you don't know or have just met, can hear about your story and all do whatever they can to keep you here and help you stay or are trying to convince you to stay and are encouraging you to do that via emails, notes, phone calls etc, because they believe in you and even offer you a free place to stay as to cut in your expenses and give yourself time to seek for a job and go from there and that place is Canada.
Canada might not be the best place, but it does offer place for everybody and that everybody can become your friend and in time offer you help which is not the case across Europe. There your friends are your friend today, but gone tomorrow simply because they don't care much about anybody!
But yes, you can apply for a job online and the job is truly put online and the employer is truly seeking for somebody from outside because everybody else is expert in ONE certain field and because the employer can't find anybody from in within to fulfill the position and because nobody DOES know ANYBODY who is GOOD ENOUGH as to REFER TO and so yep, employer post the vacant positions online, you apply for them, you get the job and you sit there, doing the same for 30 years until you retire!
Anyways ...
I say it again, I have friends from all over the planet and many of whom I made friends with here and they did help me to understand them better and believe in humanity which I had lost all hope on living in the Netherlands!
You go and figure!!!
But this is why we are here, this is why I AM HERE! to gather all and everybody together, create harmony and one VOICE, AND USE THIS PLATFORM TO RAISE OUR VOICE and say at loud that we are not NOBODY'S but each qualified excellent workers with real dreams and wishes and all seeking for a life in a country that should be the place to be because of the space to grow, because of the recognition and because of the RIGHT attitude! ... and so nobody needs to seek for a survival job and lose his or her precious money on an ideal that might leave you empty handed at the end.
IF you want to live in Canada, you MUST bring in your fresh fun open attitude to it and you should be able to set aside that awfully ackward American style attitude that the Canadians have made themselves too to sue each other, to feel offended, to feel insulted to feel this and that and all of which totally nonsense leading to nowhere and be able to create a place where co-workers can have fun at work, supervisor can see them and be one with them and all together make it a fun place to live and work.
The only place in Canada, at work, that I truly did feel that " harmony" and I am quite honest about it, was Scotia Bank!
I 've been working as temp for quite some companies and been to numerous interviews and have seen numerous employers first handedly, even Manulife and all that, but the only place I was treated equally and like a "person" and felt being appreciated was at the Bank of Nova Scotia!
That has limited me in my choices and because I can't get a job there, I am leaving. Because I know that elsewhere, I am not going to be happy and end up a zombie, dealing with a lot of fears and this and that issues, living a life I can't accept to live and because I am not going to accept working on a survival job and take me like 5 to 7 years to end up at the start of my career like 10 years ago in the Netherlands and so I 've made a choice and am going back.
...
At least I can go back home now and tell people that I had a great time working at a great company, was shown appreciation and where I for a short while felt like one with all and all for one and really having fun with some co-workers and running around in the PATH and in prof. attire and feeling like I am a part of the big world out there and above all enjoying the skyscrapers!
...
The rest, will be a bitter saur memory and not much I shall or would like to recall.
...
at the end,
Thank you all for your support, for your encouraging words and your open friendly attitude and for the many mails I 've received telling me to stay and giving it a try.
Only one color can convince me to stay here and that will be the color of RED and only one letter will be able to keep me here and that will be the letter " S".
for the rest, I totally have no interest what so ever left as to give it a try because I 've seen pretty much all of the rest of the big names and good names out there and if they are not much of a good fun right place to be at, what should I and would I expect from the little guys there? NOTHING!
...
Now, I am stepping back and hear what you all shall add into this thread and hopefully, those who tend to attack me, will at least for once open their mouth and say and add something useful to this thread and share with us their PERSONAL experience and enlightend us with their fantastic positive fun experiences and the reasons why they are here and not asking me to do this and that or blaming me for being that and this!!!!
My answer to those will be "dream on!" . I shall not do what I never did and never intended or meant and if you want to turn this whole thread into some silly ackward place to outrage your anger and backslash on each and everybody who has been doing you unjustice and unfair in your life, please be leaving and let us discuss our hopes, plans, ideas and all that that really matters.
...
@Caribgirl: I am sorry to hear that your ex-husband did leave you and two kids for an American dream if I understand it correctly. I wish you have followed him back then and so not be forced to go through all the pain and suffering on your own in Denmark. I know Denmark, it is not my first choice either to live in. It is even so picture perfect that one does need to ask himself, is it worth living in such perfection at all????
But you are a mother now and like many mothers, mine included, you have to sacrifice yourself for sometime to come and think of the two boys and allow them to at least graduate from a great university there and then apply or move elsewhere.
I suppose it will be much better for your two sons to continue education here in Canada which in most cases leads to a job here and they make it home anyway. They ll be happy, you ll be happy, right now, you might find it harsh finding a job and you can not survive living on a minimum wage with two growing teenagers! Think about that, I rather see you in the Netherlands than in Denmark and I mean it, but not in Canada at this stage in your life. OK?
Big Hugs and am proud of you for being such a good mother. They are treasured with you, a woman who is prepared to sacrifice herself totally for a good cause, but that might not be worth it now and you live only once and you are a human being too and you need to ALSO think of yourself! No need to repeat the misery all over again and age faster than necessary or needed for a reason that might not be a good reason at this moment in time.
Big Hugs to you
I told you all this earlier that I am a huge fan of human rights, pleasure, fun, love and support for all human beings and the fact I am so confused and so in many ways disappointed in much of my personal Canadian experience was not due to the people and/or many cool stuff here, but due to this underlying discrimination that is ongoing and a lot of dillema's that are not sorted out here and the influx of many immigrants to this country with hopes and high expectations that sadly will be shattered in many cases and need to settle down and in with far less that they initially were expeting, but by far, I didn't mention anything of hate and/or as to discourage people to come over here.
It is "MY" thread, yes and it is "MY" personal experience and views that I am sharing with all of you. This way all of you and all those secret readers and new guests to this forum can truly feel and experience how I as a new immigrant experience this whole new event in my life and can be prepared.
It is so confusing to really try your best and really truly hard to get to somewhere that sadly isn't resulting to anything of good due to many barriers and dillema's that I just mentioned and all that simply because this country is a young nation and still needs a lot of bright forward looking far sighted people with an open attitude and happy attitude to embrace it all and slowly change the atmosphere here and make it a better place for all of us to live and so hopefully, sometime in near future, the earlier the better, we see people coming in here and say" hey, I found a job because I was really qualified for it" and not say " I can't find a job, because I don't have a Canadian job experience bla bla bla " which is partially the case for many of us as to be rejected and disappointed all the time and for all of you, holding high degree's and expertise to find the right job that is suit for you, tailored to your skills and to go from there and so ...
NONE OF US NEED TO GO AND LOOK FOR A SURVIVAL JOB!!!!!
because I myself being an immigrant to the Netherlands 20 years ago, do recall my first job which was an administrative job and all that even despite my poor knowledge of Dutch language at the time and hardly any administrative skills or previous experience but I was given the job because they believed in me and they needed fresh talented people like me and not because I was networking because networking doesn't exist in the Netherlands. You are given a job because you apply for it yourself and not because somebody is referring you to it or is doing a good word for you!
I was given a job and I went from there and improved my skills to the level I am in today. But I come to Canada, as a multi-lingual person, with an impressive resume and I have to find "survival jobs"???!!!! because they don't care? because I lack Canadian job experience? because I lack the right degrees and/or certificated according to Canadian standards?!!! because this, because that???? ...
be honest, all of you are facing the same misery, all of you are going through the same nonsense and all of you are somehow sometime in your life so far in here, have been dealing with the same frustrations and dillema's as to WHY? WHY? and again "WHY? do they require me to provide them with this and that?"
That is all such nonsense and just purely because of the FACT that employers here want to cut in their spenditure, save up on their precious money and hire only people who know how to deal with JAVA, SAP, ORACLE, SQL, WEBDESIGN, UNIX, LINUX, RAC, etc etc etc just to the right candidate for some data base administration job?????? :-X to multitask and know multiple skills as for fulfill only ONE position that leaves the poor yet talented employee like you, being an IT, frustrated, tired, exhausted, confronted and messed up and resulting in an end product that is nowhere close to perfection because how on Earth can you deal with so many when you are required to deliver perfection as end product?
They want an administrative assistant who should be bi-lingual, be an executive assistant, be a receptionist, be this, be that, been doing this and been doing that for at least 10 years (which in my case is no problem) but you are totally ignored simply because you can't show them the proper related Canadian job experience?! :-X
Be honest with yourself and go ask and wonder these issues yourself in prior to attacking me for being a racist which I am not and being of this and that which I am not and never intended to say or to do or to hurt or harm you and don't wait for me to offer any of you my apologies, because I shall not do offer anybody an apology because I am not one of those in charge of the job market or the whole unbalanced system here that leaves you upset and for the fact that the truth hurts and you don't want to hear the truth and face your own misery all over again!
I am clear, honest and say at loud what I think but it doesn't mean I do that in real time too.
This is Canada and is not the heaven on Earth! it is not a Paradise and you can not compare it to either Europe or USA!
It is a harsh climate in which people live here and I can tell you that here, you are going to end up living in Parallels and not exactly in line with all of the rest. It will be "you" and "me", "they" and "us" and if you don't like it, then skip this whole adventure, if you can deal with it, no problem, get yourself here, live with it and don't complain if you have to first go and seek for a survival job holding any high degree and receiving recognition and appreciaton for your years of excellent expertise and talents back home!
We have to be able to discuss such and be able to freely speak and open up the dialogue as to discuss such and not go and attack each and anybody who says something you might not find "fun" and take it as "insult" because that doesn't make you any better and just as low as those who sue each and everybody they don't like or might find offfensive which is the case here and that has resulted in a society that is forced to be alert, keeping up appearances and never speak up!
It puts pressure on people and forces all and everybody to live a double life! they smile at you in public or only if they need you for your money, while they hate you for being here or being yourself or who are, behind your back and once you are out of their vision! Is that what you like?
I don't care if you are Turkish, Algerian, Polish, Philippino, Chinese what so ever. I have friends from all layers of the society and in all colors, shapes and with different views, expertise, back grounds etc etc.
Which one of you can come forward and tell me that he or she has had 16 job interviews in let's say 2 months? Which one of you have worked as Sales Associate, Cashier, Receptionist, Booking Agent and a Hostess at the same time?
I was and am prob. the only one here who faces the CEO of CIBC bank in the morning who was on his way to this huge meeting with many of the big names that you might only see in newspaper or not even on TV, while a few hours later, I am working with a lot of those " nobody's" like myself from all across the planet arranging racks, cleaning floors and deal with supervisors who don't know your name let alone what you do!!!
Anyway ...
This is my topic, this is my thread and if you dont like my tone or attitude, there is the door, use it!
I am not going to offer anybody here, my apologies and I am despite of my upcoming plans still trying so hard my best to find a solution and to see if I can stay here because no matter how good or pleasant life in Europe might be, it is still a boring place where one is limited in his or her movements and subject to boredom and where people have become like zombies too and so passive because it doesn't matter if you work hard or not, if you network or not, you will be taken care of nicely by the government anyway and so, who cares, let's live our own life and if the neighbor is in trouble, we don't care because he or she can seek for a safety net unlike here, that people you don't know or have just met, can hear about your story and all do whatever they can to keep you here and help you stay or are trying to convince you to stay and are encouraging you to do that via emails, notes, phone calls etc, because they believe in you and even offer you a free place to stay as to cut in your expenses and give yourself time to seek for a job and go from there and that place is Canada.
Canada might not be the best place, but it does offer place for everybody and that everybody can become your friend and in time offer you help which is not the case across Europe. There your friends are your friend today, but gone tomorrow simply because they don't care much about anybody!
But yes, you can apply for a job online and the job is truly put online and the employer is truly seeking for somebody from outside because everybody else is expert in ONE certain field and because the employer can't find anybody from in within to fulfill the position and because nobody DOES know ANYBODY who is GOOD ENOUGH as to REFER TO and so yep, employer post the vacant positions online, you apply for them, you get the job and you sit there, doing the same for 30 years until you retire!
Anyways ...
I say it again, I have friends from all over the planet and many of whom I made friends with here and they did help me to understand them better and believe in humanity which I had lost all hope on living in the Netherlands!
You go and figure!!!
But this is why we are here, this is why I AM HERE! to gather all and everybody together, create harmony and one VOICE, AND USE THIS PLATFORM TO RAISE OUR VOICE and say at loud that we are not NOBODY'S but each qualified excellent workers with real dreams and wishes and all seeking for a life in a country that should be the place to be because of the space to grow, because of the recognition and because of the RIGHT attitude! ... and so nobody needs to seek for a survival job and lose his or her precious money on an ideal that might leave you empty handed at the end.
IF you want to live in Canada, you MUST bring in your fresh fun open attitude to it and you should be able to set aside that awfully ackward American style attitude that the Canadians have made themselves too to sue each other, to feel offended, to feel insulted to feel this and that and all of which totally nonsense leading to nowhere and be able to create a place where co-workers can have fun at work, supervisor can see them and be one with them and all together make it a fun place to live and work.
The only place in Canada, at work, that I truly did feel that " harmony" and I am quite honest about it, was Scotia Bank!
I 've been working as temp for quite some companies and been to numerous interviews and have seen numerous employers first handedly, even Manulife and all that, but the only place I was treated equally and like a "person" and felt being appreciated was at the Bank of Nova Scotia!
That has limited me in my choices and because I can't get a job there, I am leaving. Because I know that elsewhere, I am not going to be happy and end up a zombie, dealing with a lot of fears and this and that issues, living a life I can't accept to live and because I am not going to accept working on a survival job and take me like 5 to 7 years to end up at the start of my career like 10 years ago in the Netherlands and so I 've made a choice and am going back.
...
At least I can go back home now and tell people that I had a great time working at a great company, was shown appreciation and where I for a short while felt like one with all and all for one and really having fun with some co-workers and running around in the PATH and in prof. attire and feeling like I am a part of the big world out there and above all enjoying the skyscrapers!
...
The rest, will be a bitter saur memory and not much I shall or would like to recall.
...
at the end,
Thank you all for your support, for your encouraging words and your open friendly attitude and for the many mails I 've received telling me to stay and giving it a try.
Only one color can convince me to stay here and that will be the color of RED and only one letter will be able to keep me here and that will be the letter " S".
for the rest, I totally have no interest what so ever left as to give it a try because I 've seen pretty much all of the rest of the big names and good names out there and if they are not much of a good fun right place to be at, what should I and would I expect from the little guys there? NOTHING!
...
Now, I am stepping back and hear what you all shall add into this thread and hopefully, those who tend to attack me, will at least for once open their mouth and say and add something useful to this thread and share with us their PERSONAL experience and enlightend us with their fantastic positive fun experiences and the reasons why they are here and not asking me to do this and that or blaming me for being that and this!!!!
My answer to those will be "dream on!" . I shall not do what I never did and never intended or meant and if you want to turn this whole thread into some silly ackward place to outrage your anger and backslash on each and everybody who has been doing you unjustice and unfair in your life, please be leaving and let us discuss our hopes, plans, ideas and all that that really matters.
...
@Caribgirl: I am sorry to hear that your ex-husband did leave you and two kids for an American dream if I understand it correctly. I wish you have followed him back then and so not be forced to go through all the pain and suffering on your own in Denmark. I know Denmark, it is not my first choice either to live in. It is even so picture perfect that one does need to ask himself, is it worth living in such perfection at all????
But you are a mother now and like many mothers, mine included, you have to sacrifice yourself for sometime to come and think of the two boys and allow them to at least graduate from a great university there and then apply or move elsewhere.
I suppose it will be much better for your two sons to continue education here in Canada which in most cases leads to a job here and they make it home anyway. They ll be happy, you ll be happy, right now, you might find it harsh finding a job and you can not survive living on a minimum wage with two growing teenagers! Think about that, I rather see you in the Netherlands than in Denmark and I mean it, but not in Canada at this stage in your life. OK?
Big Hugs and am proud of you for being such a good mother. They are treasured with you, a woman who is prepared to sacrifice herself totally for a good cause, but that might not be worth it now and you live only once and you are a human being too and you need to ALSO think of yourself! No need to repeat the misery all over again and age faster than necessary or needed for a reason that might not be a good reason at this moment in time.
Big Hugs to you
