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PrincessLuna

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Hi,

I was once a Canada PR. I was a minor at the time and attended a Canadian Public School. Unfortunately, my father is an abusive person forced me to leave against my will. Once out of Canada, we went to a very small country with lax law enforcement so that he could commit all the crimes he wanted (which is why he did not like Canada).

Life has since been very hard and I have been abused emotionally, physically and at times even sexually.

Anyways, luckily I have been able to get myself a good education in the British GCE system and have managed to obtain rather good grades. I have also earned a small fortune by doing freelancer work and selling stuff while I was studying.

I have faced lots of hardship and really want to go back to Canada which is the only place of which I have good memories. I want to pursue an undergraduate degree (Engineering) in a Canadian University and then eventually get a job and settle there.

If I apply for a study permit, I will have to pay International fees and while I have enough funds for this, this would leave me with almost no money left.

Is there anyway, I can renew my PR status considering that I was forced to leave? Or will I have to go by the International student route?

Some people tell me that as I was a minor there is a high chance that they will grant me a new PR as it wasn't my decision. I personally know somebody who has been successful in a similar case but for the US.

I am desperate for help and want to get away from this misery. I am about to turn 18 and I am fluent in English, French and Spanish.

I would be really grateful for any advice on steps that I should take.

Note: I have some evidence that I have been abused if that is necessary.
 
Sorry to hear of your tribulations. Answers to the following will help in a response.

1. Are you from a visitor visa exempt country to Canada?

2. Do you hold a valid US visa?

3. What date did you land in Canada (month/year) and how old were you?

4. What date did you leave Canada (month/year) and how old were you?

5. Where is your other parent in all this i.e. are they with you or in Canada and if in Canada what is their status?

6. How old are you now and are you in full time education? If in education what is the highest level you have i.e. 'O', 'A' levels etc

7. Have there been any legal proceedings in regards to the abuse you have suffered?
 
Msafiri said:
Sorry to hear of your tribulations. Answers to the following will help in a response.

1. Are you from a visitor visa exempt country to Canada?

2. Do you hold a valid US visa?

3. What date did you land in Canada (month/year) and how old were you?

4. What date did you leave Canada (month/year) and how old were you?

5. Where is your other parent in all this i.e. are they with you or in Canada and if in Canada what is their status?

6. How old are you now and are you in full time education? If in education what is the highest level you have i.e. 'O', 'A' levels etc

7. Have there been any legal proceedings in regards to the abuse you have suffered?

1. No
2. No
3. Some time in mid 2002 (Aged 7)
4. Dec 2003 (Aged 8)
5. Other parent was with me in Canada and is a citizen of a completely different country.
6.17, full time education, completed O-Levels, about to complete A-Levels.
7. Unfortunately the country is corrupt, very bad at dealing with domestic abuse. Abuse is recorded by local domestic violence officials but not as a court case. If police and the judicial system were to be informed they would take ages to tackle the case and my abuser is likely to harm me if he found out I initiated such a process.
 
Your only option is to apply for a Travel Document at the Canadian visa post serving your country of residence/ nationality. The visa officer will check if you meet the Residence Obligation (RO) which you don't. You must therefore include/ present Humanitarian and Compassionate (H&C) grounds for your TD to be approved. Being removed as a minor is one of the scenarios where TD's are issued despite not meeting the RO so do add this to the TD application form.

If you apply before you are 18 then one of your parents must sign the form (would your mother assist with this?). At 18 you can sign the form in your own right.

Good luck
 
Msafiri said:
Your only option is to apply for a Travel Document at the Canadian visa post serving your country of residence/ nationality. The visa officer will check if you meet the Residence Obligation (RO) which you don't. You must therefore include/ present Humanitarian and Compassionate (H&C) grounds for your TD to be approved. Being removed as a minor is one of the scenarios where TD's are issued despite not meeting the RO so do add this to the TD application form.

If you apply before you are 18 then one of your parents must sign the form (would your mother assist with this?). At 18 you can sign the form in your own right.

Good luck

I will be 18 very soon so I can wait a bit. Also I intend to complete my A-Levels and then move back to Canada.

How likely is it that I would be issued a PRTD on such grounds considering past cases if you are aware of any?
Is it a slim to none chance or significant enough.

If I do get a PRTD, how should I apply for a PR in the future. Does the PRTD allow me to stay as long as I don't leave or do I need a PR card before 6 months.

Also, if I get a PRTD, can I apply to Canadian universities using my original landing papers.
 
You have pretty good chances of getting a TD based on having been removed from Canada as a minor and wanting to return first chance after becoming an adult. The younger you are, the better. If you wait until you are 30, your chances would be slim because immigration may not see it as returning first chance.

If you get the TD, it means that immigration has accepted that you had valid reasons for not being able to meet the residency requirements and has decided that you can keep your PR. After you arrive in Canada, you should apply for a PR card based on your being granted a travel document. You should not leave Canada until you get your PR card. Preferably you should stay in Canada without leaving for at least 2 years because then you will meet the residency requirements again.

You can apply at universities with your landing papers.
 
Leon said:
You have pretty good chances of getting a TD based on having been removed from Canada as a minor and wanting to return first chance after becoming an adult. The younger you are, the better. If you wait until you are 30, your chances would be slim because immigration may not see it as returning first chance.

If you get the TD, it means that immigration has accepted that you had valid reasons for not being able to meet the residency requirements and has decided that you can keep your PR. After you arrive in Canada, you should apply for a PR card based on your being granted a travel document. You should not leave Canada until you get your PR card. Preferably you should stay in Canada without leaving for at least 2 years because then you will meet the residency requirements again.

You can apply at universities with your landing papers.

Thanks for the reply. Feels good to know. So is it better to apply now at 17 or when I become 18. What stuff would I need to show in terms of funds medical check etc? Should I mention that I intend to study in Canada?

Also, is the officer who processes my request (and accepts or rejects) from Canada or from the embassy that I will be dealing with?

I really more than anything want to go back to Canada but I am slightly scared as I am very young.
 
PrincessLuna said:
Thanks for the reply. Feels good to know. So is it better to apply now at 17 or when I become 18. What stuff would I need to show in terms of funds medical check etc? Should I mention that I intend to study in Canada?

Also, is the officer who processes my request (and accepts or rejects) from Canada or from the embassy that I will be dealing with?

I really more than anything want to go back to Canada but I am slightly scared as I am very young.

Definitely wait until you are 18 or even 19. It will not hurt your chances and if you apply before 18, you would need your parents permission to go. At age 18, you would have reached the age of majority in some provinces in Canada and at 19 in all of them. You do not need a medical to apply. You can find the application form here: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/travel.asp
 
Leon said:
Definitely wait until you are 18 or even 19. It will not hurt your chances and if you apply before 18, you would need your parents permission to go. At age 18, you would have reached the age of majority in some provinces in Canada and at 19 in all of them. You do not need a medical to apply. You can find the application form here:

Thank you for your help. In case I am rejected PR status, what is the procedure to get this appealed as in this case

REASONS FOR DECISION

[1] These are the reasons for the decision in the appeal of Raymond Jonathan HERTANTO (the “appellant”), from a determination made by a visa officer outside Canada concerning his failure to comply with the residency obligation set out in the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act (the “Act”).[1]

[2] Section 28 of the Act[2] requires a permanent resident to be physically present in Canada for at least 730 days in the five-year period immediately prior to their application for a travel document. The visa officer held that there were insufficient humanitarian and compassionate considerations, taking into account the best interests of a child directly affected by the decision, to justify the appellant’s retention of his permanent resident status overcoming the breach of the residency obligation.

[3] The appellant is not in Canada. However, he participated by way of teleconference and provided oral evidence under affirmation. The appellant’s parents were present in person and provided oral evidence under affirmation.

ISSUE

[4] The appellant does not challenge the legal validity of the visa officer’s decision but argues that the appeal should be allowed on the basis that sufficient humanitarian and compassionate considerations warrant special relief in light of all the circumstances of the case, taking into account the best interests of any child directly affected by the decision.

DECISION

[5] I have come to the conclusion the refusal is valid in law. However, there are sufficient humanitarian and compassionate grounds, in light of all the circumstances of the case, taking into account the best interests of a child directly affected by the decision, for me to find in the appellant’s favour. Therefore, the appeal is allowed.

BACKGROUND

[6] As background, the appellant is 23 years old and a citizen of Indonesia. The appellant obtained permanent resident status on June 17, 2002.

ANALYSIS

[7] The appellant does not challenge the legal validity of the visa officer’s decision. He admits that he had not been physically in Canada for the requisite period. On the basis of that evidence and the materials contained in the Record, I find that the appellant has not met the residency requirements imposed under section 28 of the Act and the refusal to issue a travel document is valid in law.

[8] However, I also have the discretion to allow the appellant’s appeal on humanitarian and compassionate grounds, taking into account the best interests of a child directly affected by the decision, in all the circumstances of the case. Prior decision-makers of the Immigration Appeal Division have established the following appropriate, although not exhaustive considerations, namely:

the appellant’s initial and continuing degree of establishment in Canada;

the reasons for departure from Canada;

the reasons for a continued or lengthy stay abroad;

ties to Canada in terms of family;

whether reasonable attempts to return to Canada were made at the first opportunity; and

generally whether there are unique or special circumstances present in the case.

Unique or special circumstances may be the relationship the appellant has to family in Canada, their personal circumstances, the family’s circumstances in Canada, any interdependency between the appellant and the family in Canada and any other relevant factual circumstances.

[9] The appellant became a permanent resident when he was 14 years of age. He accompanied his parents as a dependant child. The appellant only remained in Canada for about four weeks when his parents decided he should return to Indonesia to complete his high school education. His father remained in Canada at that time but returned to Indonesia after about seven months. The appellant said his father had difficulty finding suitable work in Canada.

[10] The appellant completed high school in 2004 when he was 16 years old. His parents determined that he should attend university in Singapore. The family was residing in Indonesia at that time and could not afford for the appellant to attend school in Canada. The appellant qualified for a full scholarship in Singapore.

[11] The appellant’s parents and sister returned to Canada in 2006. At that time the appellant and his brother were both students at university in Singapore.
[12] The appellant graduated from university in Singapore in 2008. He applied for a travel document on Octobers 13, 2008 and the refusal letter of October 29, 2008 is the subject of this appeal.

[13] The appellant testified that as a condition of his scholarship, he was required to work for a Singapore company for three years after his graduation.[3] He stated he will have completed his obligation by September 2011 and intends to reside in Canada after that time if he is successful in his appeal.

[14] The appellant stated that his brother had Asperger’s Syndrome and required some degree of care. However, I find that the evidence is that the appellant’s involvement with his brother’s care was minor and not a significant factor in his remaining outside of Canada.

[15] I find that there are unique or special circumstances present in the case. The appellant was a minor at the time he became a permanent resident and was still a minor at the time university attendance decisions were made. Once acceptance was made of the full scholarship in Singapore, it was not reasonably open to him to stop his schooling there when he turned 18. Similarly, the appellant was not free to return to Canada immediately upon graduation from university due to the terms and conditions of the scholarship agreement.

[16] I find that the appellant, as a minor, was essentially bound by decisions made by his parents on his behalf. Even when they and his sister returned to Canada in 2006, he was not free to accompany them due to decisions already made on his behalf. The appellant did apply for a travel document on his graduation in 2008 and intends to reside in Canada upon completion of his three year work period in Singapore. I find that, in essence, the appellant is returning to Canada at the first opportunity, congruent with commitments made on his behalf when he was a minor. I concur with submissions from counsel for the respondent that positive indicia relating to establishment and hardship are not met in this case. However, I find that the unique circumstances of this case establish sufficient humanitarian and compassionate circumstances to warrant special relief.
CONCLUSION

[17] It is therefore my decision that the visa officer’s determination of the contravention of the residency obligation is legally valid. However, taking into account the best interests of a child directly affected by the decision, there are sufficient humanitarian and compassionate considerations to warrant special relief in light of all the circumstances of the case. This appeal is allowed.

NOTICE OF DECISION

The appeal is allowed. The decision of the officer made outside of Canada on the appellant’s residency obligation is set aside. The Immigration Appeal Division finds that the appellant has not lost his permanent resident status.
 
PrincessLuna said:
Thank you for your help. In case I am rejected PR status, what is the procedure to get this appealed as in this case

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If your TD aplication is denied you will get some paperwork informing you of the right of appeal to the Immigration Board. You have 60 days to appeal. Appeals are currently taking 12-18 months to be listed before the Immigration Board. I expect this timeline to fall as the Government has introduced immigration reforms to reduce the number of refugeee appeals which appear to be the major cause of lengthy list times. If you don't appeal within the 60 days the PR is abandoned. As part of the appeal the Immigration Board may direct you to be issued a TD to appear in person at the hearing held in Canada..this is rare. I concur with the advise to apply for a TD at age 18+.
 
Msafiri said:
If your TD aplication is denied you will get some paperwork informing you of the right of appeal to the Immigration Board. You have 60 days to appeal. Appeals are currently taking 12-18 months to be listed before the Immigration Board. I expect this timeline to fall as the Government has introduced immigration reforms to reduce the number of refugeee appeals which appear to be the major cause of lengthy list times. If you don't appeal within the 60 days the PR is abandoned. As part of the appeal the Immigration Board may direct you to be issued a TD to appear in person at the hearing held in Canada..this is rare. I concur with the advise to apply for a TD at age 18+.

Ok, I really hope it is approved as what I am facing here is simply unbearable (just yesterday I experienced physical abuse) and I enjoyed my life in Canada. Any advice as to what I should mention in the application. Also is it possible to transfer some money into a Canadian bank while I am still 17 from abroad without entering Canada? Can I use a representative in Canada to make a bank account for me or something?
 
You don't need a bank account now. When you are ready to leave, go to your bank in your country where you are staying now. Take out your money and ask for travellers checks. Bring the travellers checks when you come to Canada. Go to a bank in Canada. Open an account. Deposit the money.
 
Leon said:
You don't need a bank account now. When you are ready to leave, go to your bank in your country where you are staying now. Take out your money and ask for travellers checks. Bring the travellers checks when you come to Canada. Go to a bank in Canada. Open an account. Deposit the money.

I am aware, but wouldn't it be easier to get the TD if I apply showing that I already have funds in Canada?

I am also concerned about TD as my country is dealt with by the Nairobi office which is known to have large delays and likely to refuse immigration attempts. Does CIC in Canada give the decision concerning issuing TD or is it the High Commission?
 
PrincessLuna said:
I am aware, but wouldn't it be easier to get the TD if I apply showing that I already have funds in Canada?

I am also concerned about TD as my country is dealt with by the Nairobi office which is known to have large delays and likely to refuse immigration attempts. Does CIC in Canada give the decision concerning issuing TD or is it the High Commission?

If is the visa office that makes the decision on the travel document. They are instructed to look at certain points such as having been removed from Canada as a minor and returning first chance after becoming an adult.

Showing funds in Canada vs. funds at home makes no difference because like I said, you can easily withdraw your funds at home and take them with you to Canada.
 
Leon said:
If is the visa office that makes the decision on the travel document. They are instructed to look at certain points such as having been removed from Canada as a minor and returning first chance after becoming an adult.

Showing funds in Canada vs. funds at home makes no difference because like I said, you can easily withdraw your funds at home and take them with you to Canada.

Ok thanks a lot for taking the time to help. Since you seem to know a lot on immigration, could you please answer the following.

If I am refused a TD, is it worth making an appeal?
When applying for TD should I provide evidence of my abusive situation in my home country?

In case my PR is cancelled what path should I take to live in Canada after studying there as a student?
If it is refused are there any other worthwhile countries with a culture similar to Canada worth immigrating to?

Thanks for all your help and advice I really appreciate it. I can find other threads about applying for TD after being removed as minor however in the threads the people don't seem to come back and mention whether it worked or not.