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Medical condition; Urgent processing or not?

taco123

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Hello,
I need expert opinion if my medical situation is ok for applying under Urgent processing of my PR card renewal ?

At present I have 780 days of residency . I have not yet applied.

I am over 50 . Single.
I had an attack of imbalance in 2013 in India and I was diagnosed
with an enlarged brain artery with potential serious results. But luckily I recovered with only
little remaining symptoms. And I came to Canada and lived here on my savings without working.
A renowned neurologist in Canada too documented in a note
in April 2017 that I have a serious condition with no cure and a poor outcome .
But am lucky to be functioning normally currently.

Keeping in view, my problem can deteriorate at any time, I am thinking of going to India to settle my estate ( my property and my finances among my siblings, since I am single with no children).

DOES THIS SITUATION MERIT URGENT PROCESSING?
If yes, what all documents should I attach to my application?

thanks
 

Buletruck

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If you can provide something from you doctor(s) indicating the illness is serious with a poor prognosis, I would say yes you can apply.
 

Bs65

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Not that relevant to the question but just an observation that have to assume I guess the OPs neurologist has cleared the OP to fly with such a condition as airlines can be pretty fussy when accepting passengers with serious medical conditions even more so given the extended flight time. As said just an observation and not really anybodys business here if the OP does not wish to answer.
 

dpenabill

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Condolences for your medical difficulties.

Urgent processing is discretionary. The stated policy as to what reasons will qualify for urgent processing are guidelines not definite rules. Thus, many other factors will influence whether IRCC will provide urgent processing in a particular case. The PR's history, including especially recent history, almost certainly having a big influence.

Depending on other circumstances, including the extent of your ties in Canada, the nature of your settling in Canada (or more to the point, if applicable, the lack thereof), among other aspects of your life, the fact that you have spent a lot less time in Canada in the last five years than elsewhere puts you at risk for the opposite of urgent processing, that is at risk for a referral to Secondary Review and the sometimes lengthy non-routine processing delays that entails.

You can request urgent processing. Explain your actual reasons. Then attach whatever documents tend to directly establish the facts underlying those reasons. What to submit cannot be answered in the abstract. On one hand you should probably submit a doctor's statement as to your condition and the advice you need to settle affairs soon, and on the other hand some documentation to show there are particular affairs requiring settlement abroad. But what you actually need to submit depends on what the doctors specifically advise and why, and it depends on what particular affairs need attention abroad.

How this will go, however, cannot be reliably forecast. Just 780 days in Canada in the last five years strongly indicates you have not settled permanently in Canada. The risk of non-routine processing seems at least somewhat high; the chance of urgent processing not so good.

In the meantime, you can travel to India without a new PR card so long as you remain in compliance with the PR Residency Obligation. You would need to be prepared to make a PR Travel Document application for the return to Canada, for which you probably should be sure to have proof of all the time you have spent in Canada, proof of compliance with the PR Residency Obligation. Here too the fact of mostly living abroad will likely raise the bar. Thus this too could be risky.

Obviously it would have been better to settle your affairs before you left India, but of course you cannot change what is done.

It may be better to do what you can through mail, telephone, and other telecommunications, for now, and do your best to stay in as good health as possible in the meantime.

Note, I do not mean to discourage you from making a request for urgent processing. But I am suggesting it would probably be prudent to consider your options in the event urgent processing is not approved, and to also consider the prospect it could take even longer than the time line for routine processing.
 

taco123

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Thanks everyone for your replies.

If they deny me urgent processing ,
I am looking at secondary review and about a year of processing , judging from other posts.

In that case, I wont even know for several months what happened to my application.
And if I leave for India for the month of august and try to reenter thru land border in US,
how will I prove to them I am in compliance of residency. Will my passport stamps suffice?
.
 

dpenabill

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For the vast majority of PRs, even those cutting-it-close some, the PoE examination should be relatively straight-forward. The PR mostly needs to directly and honestly respond to the questions asked. No need to offer explanations. Avoid complicated answers. No need to present documents except when asked. Answer the question asked. Do not answer based on what you think the officer wants to know (do not second-guess what the question is about), but rather directly answer the question that is asked.

Avoid elaborating unless the examining officer is clearly asking for further elaboration or explanation.

And for a PR in compliance with the PR RO, even those cutting-it-close some, all should go well.

In my next post, however I offer an outline of sorts for those who want to be extra-prepared, extra-careful. I do so with the caveat that second only to the actual facts, the PR's credibility is both the PR's best evidence and potentially, if an officer perceives reason to doubt it, the PR's biggest problem.


What is at stake:

For clarity, it warrants noting what is at stake. The worst that can happen at the PoE is that the returning PR is issued a 44(1) Report for inadmissibility followed by a Departure or Removal Order, and then allowed to enter Canada. The PR will be allowed to enter Canada even if reported.

If that happens, if reported, the PR can and should appeal. The PR keeps PR status while the appeal is pending. If the PR wins the appeal, the PR keeps PR status. If the PR loses the appeal, PR status is lost, gone.

If the PR can bring sufficient evidence to the appeal proceeding to prove he was in compliance with the PR RO on the date the Report was made, the Report should be determined to not be valid in law and the Removal Order dismissed. The PR can also present evidence of H&C reasons excusing the breach, making a case that he should be allowed to keep PR status even if the Report is found to be valid in law.

Thus, the PR may win the appeal by either showing he was in compliance with the PR RO (in Canada 730 or more days within the five years preceding the date the Report was issued), or by showing there are sufficient H&C reasons why he should keep PR status.
 

dpenabill

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And if I leave for India for the month of august and try to reenter thru land border in US,
how will I prove to them I am in compliance of residency. Will my passport stamps suffice?
I am no expert and I am not qualified to give personal advice. There are some fairly straight-forward observations and suggestions I can offer.

There is no definite answer to the question what will suffice to prove compliance with the PR Residency Obligation, whether for purposes of a PoE examination or otherwise.

Overall, passport stamps are important evidence of one's travel history, and of course the PR's account of travel history should be consistent with passport stamps. But if an examining officer has concerns about PR RO compliance, there is a high risk that passport stamps will NOT suffice to prove compliance.

It warrants noting that just the PR's verbal accounting of time in Canada can suffice, and probably often does. This might be without the border official even examining individual passport stamps. But again, if the examining official has concerns, then significantly more may be necessary to persuade the official there has not been a breach of the PR RO.

When at a PoE there are concerns about the PR's compliance with the PR RO, the PR is often (perhaps usually) asked to complete a formal, written questionnaire. I forget the title, and I have not seen a copy, but it appears to essentially be a short-form Residency Determination. It is crucial, if required to complete such a form, to be truthful.

How the PoE examination ultimately goes depends on many factors specific to the individual. Not the least of which is the apparent credibility of the PR. And one could write several chapters about the many factors which can influence an official's perception about a traveler's credibility.


Being prepared to make a persuasive case at the PoE:

A credible PR whose passport stamps are consistent with the PR's accounting of time in Canada and time absent from Canada, and particularly if the PR has some additional documentation showing settlement in Canada (including health card, drivers license, rental agreement, property ownership documentation, documents showing employment in Canada, or such) is not likely to be reported upon arrival at a PoE, subject of course to the information and documentation being consistent with showing at least 730 days in Canada within the preceding five years as of that day.

Ordinarily CBSA and IRCC are not out to unnecessarily challenge or test PRs. Contrary to some forum insinuations, they do not engage in the gotcha-game, but rather are sincerely trying to fairly enforce Canada's immigration laws, and thus genuinely seeking honest answers to relevant questions. Many forum commentators may have a different impression, but I am quite confident that overall most CBSA officers conducting immigration examinations of returning PRs, at a PoE, lean favourably toward the PR unless credibility is a concern or a breach is apparent.

Thus the following suggestion should be more than what the vast majority of PRs would need, even when there are some concerns about proving presence in Canada. Offered as an outline for making the best case just in case a particularly skeptical officer is encountered.

Hence, the suggestion:

Make the PR card application prior to leaving. Make two photocopies of the completed application. One is to keep in safe storage with originals of other documents which will support your case. The other is to carry with you along with copies of the other documents which will support your case.

Of course you should carry your original CoPR and any expired PR card you have (keep them safe). Be sure, however, to also keep copies of these in safe storage with the other documents kept in storage.

Carry a copy of the completed and submitted PRC application along with a clear copy of records showing it was sent to IRCC (best to send by courier service with tracking), and a copy of the proof you have showing where you lived in Canada and dates (rental receipts for example), copy of documents showing your activities in Canada and dates (employment history is best; documents showing doctor's visits and other activities can help). If this documentation has gaps for a month or more (no rental receipt or other documentation to show presence in Canada that month), make a concerted effort to find something which shows you were physically present in Canada those months. For example, credit and banking transactions can help (not the best, but if that is all one has for a given month, better than nothing).

It is particularly important to have something which shows most recent time in Canada. Just a couple or four things, something to show presence shortly after you last entered Canada, and something to show presence just before you leave.

Do not go overboard. A brief case full of papers is not necessary and more likely a bad idea.

But along with the copy of the PRC application, have some documentation which shows some evidence of a life in Canada.

Carry this in your hands. Not in a suitcase. Not mixed in with other papers. Carry this in something you will have in your hands as you approach the PoE, so if and when referred to Secondary you can naturally carry it with you to the counter without having to look for it, without having to retrieve it.

Your copy of the PRC application should have a detailed list of all travel in and out of Canada.

No need to push any of this on an examining official. Let the officer control the interview. Bring out documentation if and when it will help respond to the question asked. Best to have your documents well organized so you can easily show the particular document that is responsive to the officer's questions.

That all may be going a little over the top, but so long as you do not push this stuff at the officer without the officer in effect asking a question which makes offering it relevant, this approach should assure you are prepared to make your case.


H&C reasons:

As a backup, you might also want to be prepared to explain why you were outside Canada as much as you have been, including the reason for this most recent trip. H&C reasons may suffice to persuade an officer to not issue a report despite concluding there was a breach, in effect waiving the perceived breach.

Better to not mix up documents supporting accounting of days in Canada and those documents supporting explanation for absences (H&C reasons). In responding to questions also try to avoid mixing these issues.

That said, in responding to questions, the best approach is to listen and try to understand the question, try to understand what is being asked. Then provide a direct, honest answer to that question. Do not try to second guess why a question was asked. Do not try to offer explanations beyond a dirct answer unless the question clearly calls for an explanation. Simple, direct, honest answers are almost always the best.


Note: if there was more time, having PRC application in process might help.

It may be too late now to send off a PRC application in time to have it opened and in process at IRCC by the time you approach a PoE returning to Canada. (Assuming you intend to be gone a month or less.) Once the PRC card application is in process, however, a PoE officer can readily verify this and then, for a PR returning after a short absence and not otherwise appearing to be in blatant breach of the PR RO, the odds are high the PoE officer will merely make FOSS notes of key information about the event (date, PR's responses to key questions, like how long outside Canada, address in Canada, and such) and allow IRCC to determine things from there.
 

taco123

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thanks very much, dpenabill for your detailed reply.

Final question please;
What are the chances the PR card renewal office will dispute my 780 days and deny me a PR card?

Reasons why I am worried is like you said before the burden is on me to prove.
1. They do not record exits from airports. I have already got a CBSA report I requested. They gave me my correct entry dates but
said they do not record exits.
2. I have proof of travel as my passport stamps only. No airline tickets or boarding passes .
3. I have not been working while in Canada. so no employment records. The only evidence I can provide is credit card payments,
or rental receipts or bank transactions.

thanks
 

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thanks very much, dpenabill for your detailed reply.

Final question please;
What are the chances the PR card renewal office will dispute my 780 days and deny me a PR card?

Reasons why I am worried is like you said before the burden is on me to prove.
1. They do not record exits from airports. I have already got a CBSA report I requested. They gave me my correct entry dates but
said they do not record exits.
2. I have proof of travel as my passport stamps only. No airline tickets or boarding passes .
3. I have not been working while in Canada. so no employment records. The only evidence I can provide is credit card payments,
or rental receipts or bank transactions.

thanks
Serious illness is a valid reason to apply for urgent PRC application, however I believe a qualified doctor should be saying that. My answers to your questions:
1. They do not record exits from airports. I have already got a CBSA report I requested. They gave me my correct entry dates but
said they do not record exits.
Answer: no comments
2. I have proof of travel as my passport stamps only. No airline tickets or boarding passes .
Answer: The passport stamps are acceptable proof, if any of them are non Enlgish/French, get them translated to English or French
3. I have not been working while in Canada. so no employment records. The only evidence I can provide is credit card payments,
or rental receipts or bank transactions.
Answer: Not sure whether credit card payments will be accepted, but rental receipts and bank transactions are valid supporting documents. Do you have utility bills? If yes, they also are acceptable as supporting documents
 

taco123

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OK. thanks everyone.
I applied under urgent processing a few days ago with 805 days of residency. I enclosed a document from a Canadian specialist Doctor
attesting to my serious illness. And I enclosed color copies of my passport showing all stamps. And a cover letter explaining that I need to go
to my home country to take care of my estate and that my absences from Canada have been due to my illness and family circumstances. And a copy of paid return ticket with proof of payment.
They received the application today ( courier tracking) but I have not got the email yet. If they had to process it urgently they would have started it today.

I am just worried .


Also, is there any possibility they can deny me a PR renewal because of my illness?
 
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OK. thanks everyone.
I applied under urgent processing a few days ago with 805 days of residency. I enclosed a document from a Canadian specialist
Also, is there any possibility they can deny me a PR renewal because of my illness?
I don't think you be a reason to reject PR renewal. Be at peace.
 

taco123

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Condolences for your medical difficulties.

Urgent processing is discretionary. The stated policy as to what reasons will qualify for urgent processing are guidelines not definite rules. Thus, many other factors will influence whether IRCC will provide urgent processing in a particular case. The PR's history, including especially recent history, almost certainly having a big influence.

Depending on other circumstances, including the extent of your ties in Canada, the nature of your settling in Canada (or more to the point, if applicable, the lack thereof), among other aspects of your life, the fact that you have spent a lot less time in Canada in the last five years than elsewhere puts you at risk for the opposite of urgent processing, that is at risk for a referral to Secondary Review and the sometimes lengthy non-routine processing delays that entails.

You can request urgent processing. Explain your actual reasons. Then attach whatever documents tend to directly establish the facts underlying those reasons. What to submit cannot be answered in the abstract. On one hand you should probably submit a doctor's statement as to your condition and the advice you need to settle affairs soon, and on the other hand some documentation to show there are particular affairs requiring settlement abroad. But what you actually need to submit depends on what the doctors specifically advise and why, and it depends on what particular affairs need attention abroad.

How this will go, however, cannot be reliably forecast. Just 780 days in Canada in the last five years strongly indicates you have not settled permanently in Canada. The risk of non-routine processing seems at least somewhat high; the chance of urgent processing not so good.

In the meantime, you can travel to India without a new PR card so long as you remain in compliance with the PR Residency Obligation. You would need to be prepared to make a PR Travel Document application for the return to Canada, for which you probably should be sure to have proof of all the time you have spent in Canada, proof of compliance with the PR Residency Obligation. Here too the fact of mostly living abroad will likely raise the bar. Thus this too could be risky.

Obviously it would have been better to settle your affairs before you left India, but of course you cannot change what is done.

It may be better to do what you can through mail, telephone, and other telecommunications, for now, and do your best to stay in as good health as possible in the meantime.

Note, I do not mean to discourage you from making a request for urgent processing. But I am suggesting it would probably be prudent to consider your options in the event urgent processing is not approved, and to also consider the prospect it could take even longer than the time line for routine processing.
I was shocked having read the case of one mustafa8308 who is facing full blown residency determination despite spending 1000+ days in Canada. I

I claimed 805 days , that are proved beyond doubt by my passport stamps and CBSA records .
that I sent to them . Also, my urgent request is based on genuine medical issues. Despite that it seems to have gone to routine. Maybe , like you described I have several triggers for secondary review, no employment, single status, in addition to 1020 days absence.

What happened to mustafa8308, could it happen to me?
 
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I was shocked having read the case of one mustafa8308 who is facing full blown residency determination despite spending 1000+ days in Canada. I

I claimed 805 days , that are proved beyond doubt by my passport stamps and CBSA records .
that I sent to them . Also, my urgent request is based on genuine medical issues. Despite that it seems to have gone to routine. Maybe , like you described I have several triggers for secondary review, no employment, single status, in addition to 1020 days absence.

What happened to mustafa8308, could it happen to me?
Yes - anything is possible unfortunately.