Many Hong Kong (& East Asian) immigrants return home. Why?

[kingkong1]

Canada is not necessarily a back-up plan. It might not happen. Like I said they might choose Australia or Canada over Hong Kong. Get it?

Whatever dude. Yeah you're a genius.

 

[steaky]

Whatever dude. Yeah you're a genius.

And out of those population, there are probably people who were assigned to work in Hong Kong by their Canadian companies or they are Canadian business owners overseeing their business in Hong Kong and China. They might return to Canada some day. Who knows?

You will be a genius too if you continue your participating in this forum!

 

[on-hold]

Or these are people who were raised in a half-Chinese, half-British system, came to Canada because they were uncertain what would happen to Hong Kong, went back when it turned out not to be too bad, keep a foot in Canada because they are comfortable in British colonial territories, will send their kids to college here, and maintain a Canadaian-Chinese identity for several generations. What's so terrible about that? Maybe the same thing will develop in Taiwan, Singapore, Kuala Lumpur, and elsewhere. Frankly, this article seems to be a good example of Canadian provincialism. "Oh no, Canadians are out in the wide world, making money and negotiating their way through complex international boundaries and cultures! It's going to cost us when they get in trouble and come running back! Dear oh dear oh me."

It's particularly funny given all the bafflegab about Canada being a 'natural part' of some organization of Pacific countries. Having hundreds of thousands of wealthy, entrepreneurial Canadians living between Hong Kong and Vancouver will do a million times more to bring that about that having Harper grace some blathering conference.

The article doesn't make clear just how they live in Hong Kong -- as I understand it, China doesn't permit dual citizenship, so they can't be Chinese citizens. Is Hong Kong different?

Also, the article implies that this is a wealthy class. I suspect they tend to stash money in Canada, or in foreign branches of Canadian banks -- it seems unlikely that they would require extensive social services in the event of a catastrophe. I honestly don't understand what Canada was doing in Lebanon -- if the people there were dual citizens, in their own country, Canada has no writ . . . This is a widely accepted principle. I hope to be a dual American-Canadian one day, but I don't expect the RCMP to cross the border if I get in trouble in Montana.

 

[kingkong1]

Or these are people who were raised in a half-Chinese, half-British system, came to Canada because they were uncertain what would happen to Hong Kong, went back when it turned out not to be too bad, keep a foot in Canada because they are comfortable in British colonial territories, will send their kids to college here, and maintain a Canadaian-Chinese identity for several generations. What's so terrible about that? Maybe the same thing will develop in Taiwan, Singapore, Kuala Lumpur, and elsewhere. Frankly, this article seems to be a good example of Canadian provincialism. "Oh no, Canadians are out in the wide world, making money and negotiating their way through complex international boundaries and cultures! It's going to cost us when they get in trouble and come running back! Dear oh dear oh me."

It's particularly funny given all the bafflegab about Canada being a 'natural part' of some organization of Pacific countries. Having hundreds of thousands of wealthy, entrepreneurial Canadians living between Hong Kong and Vancouver will do a million times more to bring that about that having Harper grace some blathering conference.

The article doesn't make clear just how they live in Hong Kong -- as I understand it, China doesn't permit dual citizenship, so they can't be Chinese citizens. Is Hong Kong different?

Also, the article implies that this is a wealthy class. I suspect they tend to stash money in Canada, or in foreign branches of Canadian banks -- it seems unlikely that they would require extensive social services in the event of a catastrophe. I honestly don't understand what Canada was doing in Lebanon -- if the people there were dual citizens, in their own country, Canada has no writ . . . This is a widely accepted principle. I hope to be a dual American-Canadian one day, but I don't expect the RCMP to cross the border if I get in trouble in Montana.

I get your point. It's quite laughable, I mean, this Canadian paranoia about immigrants leaving Canada for better opportunities abroad. Harper and Kenney made recent PRs go through a hellish experience for Canadian citizenship. What do they really get from this, I mean, by making us suffer and wait for yrs and yrs in addition to the required 3 yr residence, by holding us literally as prisoners here. It'll just make us even more bitter about Canada when we finally get our citizenship after years of getting mistreated/abused by CIC and struggling to find meaningful employment. Is this the way to treat future citizens of Canada? There's this deep-rooted fear that's very unique in Canada that most talented people leave Canada soon after they arrive in Canada. I read a great essay discussing this Canadian paranoia. The main thesis of the essay was that Canada is a nation of losers.

 

[torontosm]

I get your point. It's quite laughable, I mean, this Canadian paranoia about immigrants leaving Canada for better opportunities abroad. Harper and Kenney made recent PRs go through a hellish experience for Canadian citizenship. What do they really get from this, I mean, by making us suffer and wait for yrs and yrs in addition to the required 3 yr residence, by holding us literally as prisoners here. It'll just make us even more bitter about Canada when we finally get our citizenship after years of getting mistreated/abused by CIC and struggling to find meaningful employment. Is this the way to treat future citizens of Canada? There's this deep-rooted fear that's very unique in Canada that most talented people leave Canada soon after they arrive in Canada. I read a great essay discussing this Canadian paranoia. The main thesis of the essay was that Canada is a nation of losers.

I agree....perhaps they should just shut down the immigration system for a while and see how quickly people who abuse the system, who constantly complain or who view the country they are trying to become citizens of as "a nation of losers" become appreciative of the opportunity they are being given.

 

[steaky]

I get your point. It's quite laughable, I mean, this Canadian paranoia about immigrants leaving Canada for better opportunities abroad. Harper and Kenney made recent PRs go through a hellish experience for Canadian citizenship. What do they really get from this, I mean, by making us suffer and wait for yrs and yrs in addition to the required 3 yr residence, by holding us literally as prisoners here. It'll just make us even more bitter about Canada when we finally get our citizenship after years of getting mistreated/abused by CIC and struggling to find meaningful employment. Is this the way to treat future citizens of Canada? There's this deep-rooted fear that's very unique in Canada that most talented people leave Canada soon after they arrive in Canada. I read a great essay discussing this Canadian paranoia. The main thesis of the essay was that Canada is a nation of losers.

The current citizenship and residency requirement is already very relaxed compare to that of many years ago. As always, you need patience and patience...

Canada is not alone. Many countries such as Australia requires its PRs to live in the country for a number of years before they could apply to become citizens. Who knows if they also have similar deep-rooted fear? Your thoughts about the thesis of this essays is wrong anyways.

 

[steaky]

Is Hong Kong different?

In some way, yes. China admin a very relaxed policy about citizens of Hong Kong and Macau in relation to dual nationalities.

 

[asbereth]

I know several people who are holding both Hong Kong and Canadian passports, but I'm not really sure how this works. I heard that if you want to naturalize to become a PRC citizen resident in Hong Kong (meaning, HK passport holder), you need to renounce your old citizenship. Does this not apply for HK people who naturalize to become other countries' citizens?

 

[steaky]

I know several people who are holding both Hong Kong and Canadian passports, but I'm not really sure how this works. I heard that if you want to naturalize to become a PRC citizen resident in Hong Kong (meaning, HK passport holder), you need to renounce your old citizenship. Does this not apply for HK people who naturalize to become other countries' citizens?

It depends which country the person came from. For example, if the person old country does not allow dual citizenship, he must renounce the old one and get the new citizenship (HKSAR in this case). But for person who old country (say Canada) allows dual citizenship, he can get the HKSAR citizenship without renouncing the Canadian citizenship.

Under the law, while mainlanders are required to renounce their native chinese or the naturalized foreign citizenship, this does not apply to HK people.

 

[on-hold]

This idea that Canadians tend not to go out and do things was a main theme of Robertson Davies, Canada's best-known author from the mid-century. A lot of his writing was about how people here look down on ambition, make fun of artists, and only show some respect after they get noticed over in England.

I guarantee you that Vancouver and BC are benefiting from these trans-Pacific Canadians, in condo prices, land taxes, stuff like that -- but you won't hear about that if they ever have to use some government services.

 

[steaky]

but you won't hear about that if they ever have to use some government services.

They would be using the services of CBSA on arrival, CRA and Canadian consulates abroad for passport renewals and more.

 

[asbereth]

It depends which country the person came from. For example, if the person old country does not allow dual citizenship, he must renounce the old one and get the new citizenship (HKSAR in this case). But for person who old country (say Canada) allows dual citizenship, he can get the HKSAR citizenship without renouncing the Canadian citizenship.

Under the law, while mainlanders are required to renounce their native chinese or the naturalized foreign citizenship, this does not apply to HK people.

I see. I've heard stories where Americans or British who want to naturalized needed to renounce their old citizenships, even though the UK and the US both recognize dual citizenship, I must not have heard the full stories then. But that's nice. Having HKSAR and Canadian passports enable one to live in both Canada and the whole China (except maybe Macao?), and that's a lot of land area to choose from

 

[kingkong1]

This idea that Canadians tend not to go out and do things was a main theme of Robertson Davies, Canada's best-known author from the mid-century. A lot of his writing was about how people here look down on ambition, make fun of artists, and only show some respect after they get noticed over in England.

I guarantee you that Vancouver and BC are benefiting from these trans-Pacific Canadians, in condo prices, land taxes, stuff like that -- but you won't hear about that if they ever have to use some government services.

The entire Canadian economy is dependent on the money immigrants bring in. Without it the Canadian economy literally collapses and Canada turns into a de facto third-world country. The Canadian government and its ruling elite class are well aware of this, and that's why it conducts an endless massive campaign of selling Canada abroad, which more and more smart people don't buy into anymore. These days it seems Canada draws only people from the third world countries or underclass people from Europe.

 

[kingkong1]

I see. I've heard stories where Americans or British who want to naturalized needed to renounce their old citizenships, even though the UK and the US both recognize dual citizenship, I must not have heard the full stories then. But that's nice. Having HKSAR and Canadian passports enable one to live in both Canada and the whole China (except maybe Macao?), and that's a lot of land area to choose from

So it makes complete sense that these immigrants from Hong Kong and his children (2nd/3rd generation Canadians) return to Hong Kong or China where there are tons of opportunities to make a fortune, whereas in Canada the doors are closed to them.

 

[steaky]

The entire Canadian economy is dependent on the money immigrants bring in. Without it the Canadian economy literally collapses and Canada turns into a de facto third-world country. The Canadian government and its ruling elite class are well aware of this, and that's why it conducts an endless massive campaign of selling Canada abroad, which more and more smart people don't buy into anymore. These days it seems Canada draws only people from the third world countries or underclass people from Europe.

1) Canada has a commodity economy. Oil, gas, lumber, meat, seafood, wheat and minerals are her main exports.
2) When you look at this forum, you would find Canada even draw people from first world countries such as UK, Korea, Japan and USA