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Leave Canada After Applying for Canadian Citizenship

hungnguyen

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Hello Senior,

Can I leave Canada after I apply for Canadian citizenship until I am called to come back for the citizenship test? Do I have to inform ircc via webform about my travel details outside Canada (from-until)?

Thanks,
 

hungnguyen

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You should update your contact information. To return to Canada you will continue to need a valid PR card.
Thanks Primaprime for your advice. My PR card is still valid until 2024 and I will hire a lawyer, so they will receive information or mail from IRCC. In this case, can I leave Canada until the citizenship test? And do I have to inform IRCC my travel detail outside Canada?
 

harirajmohan

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Thanks Primaprime for your advice. My PR card is still valid until 2024 and I will hire a lawyer, so they will receive information or mail from IRCC. In this case, can I leave Canada until the citizenship test? And do I have to inform IRCC my travel detail outside Canada?
You dont need to inform. We dont know if officers will just delay just for that. There is no requirement to inform cic. https://www.cic.gc.ca/english/helpcentre/answer.asp?qnum=911&top=5
Just give your friend's address as communication address to cic and ask your friend to check the letters for you, instead of wasting money with the lawyer. All communication to you is posted in your application status online hence you can check your status from outside the country if any updated and ask your friend to recheck the letters to confirm if any communication has received from cic. Many leave the country and come back for test and oath - no issues.
 

canada_help

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Hi Harirajmohan - During the citizenship interview, don't we need to inform them regarding this travel? Please guide.
 

harirajmohan

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Hi Harirajmohan - During the citizenship interview, don't we need to inform them regarding this travel? Please guide.
If you were asked about current residence then you can tell that you are outside currently.
Even my colleague told that he moved to US during the interview. No issues as they all want to verify if they see enough days stayed before the application date and currently you should on PR status(meeting residency requirement - 2 out of 5 years till oath date).
 

harirajmohan

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Am I eligible if I have 2 years in Canada since becoming PR and 2 years in Canada before I became PR as temporary visa?
primaprime was not talking about your eligibility for applying citizenship. He/she talks about maintaining pr status after applying citizenship. are you asking for applying citizenship? Verify using cic physical presence calculator.
 

primaprime

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No, I was talking about eligibility for applying for citizenship, although OP should continue to meet the (less restrictive) RO for maintaining PR as well.

You should be eligible if you have two years as a PR and two years as a temporary resident (as you can generally count days spent as a temporary resident as half days, up to one year total). However, make sure you get the calculations correct. It's best to apply with more days than you need.
 
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hungnguyen

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No, I was talking about eligibility for applying for citizenship, although OP should continue to meet the (less restrictive) RO for maintaining PR as well.

You should be eligible if you have two years as a PR and two years as a temporary resident (as you can generally count days spent as a temporary resident as half days, up to one year total). However, make sure you get the calculations correct. It's best to apply with more days than you need.
Do you know how IRCC check if I satisfy residence requirement? I have lost the original passport when I am applying for PR and I reported to police already and I have copy of old passport. Also, I entered Canada sometime and my passport was not stamped, so how can IRCC check that? Thanks,
 

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Do you know how IRCC check if I satisfy residence requirement? I have lost the original passport when I am applying for PR and I reported to police already and I have copy of old passport. Also, I entered Canada sometime and my passport was not stamped, so how can IRCC check that? Thanks,
You can apply for your travel history record at the CSBA website.

https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/agency-agence/reports-rapports/pia-efvp/atip-aiprp/thr-rav-eng.html

Since you have your old passport ID, CSBA should be able to find your time when you entered Canada. You can submit a timeframe of when you think you entered Canada. It would make searching for your record easier.
 
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hungnguyen

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You can apply for your travel history record at the CSBA website.

https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/agency-agence/reports-rapports/pia-efvp/atip-aiprp/thr-rav-eng.html

Since you have your old passport ID, CSBA should be able to find your time when you entered Canada. You can submit a timeframe of when you think you entered Canada. It would make searching for your record easier.
Thanks Screech339 for your advice, should I apply for your travel history record at the CSBA website before I apply the Canadian Citizenship or only when I am requested from IRCC.?
 

dpenabill

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Hello Senior,

Can I leave Canada after I apply for Canadian citizenship until I am called to come back for the citizenship test? Do I have to inform ircc via webform about my travel details outside Canada (from-until)?

Thanks,
Many ask about TRAVELING outside Canada while their grant citizenship application is pending when the real question is about RESIDING or LIVING outside Canada while their grant citizenship application is pending. There are significant practical differences.

Neither is prohibited. Just the fact of being abroad while the application is pending, even living abroad, does NOT affect the applicant's eligibility for citizenship.

Traveling outside Canada while the application is pending was probably very common before covid-19 and will likely be very common again when international travel itself opens up more. Nonetheless, depending on particular factors, including the duration of the trip in particular, there are logistical risks.

Moving outside Canada . . . that is, going abroad to live, to work, to stay in a location for an indefinite period of time, is a VERY DIFFERENT situation. Still, it is NOT prohibited.

In particular, living abroad while the application is in process substantially increases the logistical risks (such as missing an appointment or failing to respond to requests timely) and it also increases the risk of non-routine processing such as getting requests for additional information and evidence related to proving actual physical presence (potentially including the full-blown RQ, that is Residency Questionnaire). The latter can delay processing, sometimes by a lot.

These matters are discussed at length and in-depth in numerous other topics here. Search for topic titles about traveling or living abroad.

More than a few grant citizenship applicants (but a rather small percentage of applicants overall) do this, that is go abroad to live while their application is still pending, among whom many encounter no serious problems, and more than a few do run into problems. Again, there is plenty of discussion about this in other topics here.


OBLIGATION TO ADVISE IRCC of CHANGE of ADDRESS:

REMINDER:
The applicant's signature on the application VERIFIES the applicant will "advise Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada (IRCC) if any information on this form changes before I take the Oath of Citizenship."

It is not clear to me what @harirajmohan is suggesting . . .
You dont need to inform. We dont know if officers will just delay just for that. There is no requirement to inform cic.
. . . BUT there is NO doubt about the applicant's obligation to timely inform IRCC if any information provided in the application changes. The failure to do so is misrepresentation by omission.

The information at the link posted by @harirajmohan references, rather generally, some of the logistical risks. It does NOT, not in any way, say that if the applicant's "home address" changes, that is the applicant's place of residence, the applicant does not need to advise IRCC of this.

How this goes for the individual applicant appears to vary widely depending on the applicant's situation. There are many anecdotal reports from applicants who went to live abroad for more or less obviously temporary reasons, such as to attend a particular graduate studies program, who sailed smoothly through the process, no issues. In contrast, there is no shortage of examples going the other direction. Remember, how things have gone for someone else really only illustrates what CAN HAPPEN and NOT what will necessarily happen.

IN THE PAST living abroad while the application was pending was a specific factor tending to trigger RQ-related non-routine processing. That is, both in the File Requirements Checklist triage criteria AND in the previous enumeration of reasons-to-question-residency in the then applicable Operational Manual (that was CP- 5 Residence), factors indicating the applicant was abroad for an extended period of time triggered RQ-related non-routine processing. For a short time (in 2015) living abroad while the application was pending constituted stand-alone grounds for rejecting the application (the Trudeau Liberal government promptly ceased applying the statutory provision in this way soon after forming the government, and then proceeded to repeal that provision). While this history is not directly applicable to current applications, it illustrates widespread attitudes plus natural suspicions.

Current triage criteria or reasons-to-question-residency are well-kept secrets. So we do not know what precisely will trigger RQ-related non-routine processing these days. The criteria utilized in the past was largely based on rational reasons to at least more closely examine residency or presence related information, so to a large extent the historical triage criteria (which we know from a leaked FRC, 2012 version) and reasons-to-question-residency (which was publicly disclosed in CP-5), are at the least somewhat relevant.

Which leads to the later queries about how IRCC evaluates the applicant's physical presence . . . which I will address in a separate post.

For now, specifically in connection with what the applicant advises or does not advise IRCC, if and when an applicant changes the location where the applicant is actually living, what many in this forum tend to overlook is the impact the appearance of deception has even if IRCC does not specifically address or allege a particular misrepresentation. This is among the hardest factors to identify as causing a particular applicant problems, including in particular not only RQ-related processing but potentially a far more skeptical approach to the applicant's information. Unless the IRCC decision-maker is explicitly basing a decision on a determination the applicant made a misrepresentation, there is rarely any hint that the IRCC decision-maker has otherwise been influenced, negatively, by a suspicion the applicant has not been open and forthcoming, or especially has not been entirely truthful.

In other words, those who play games with information like their "home address," do so at their peril . . . even if IRCC never directly challenges the applicant about it, something like this can RISK triggering a rather negative influence in how things go. Not that every little deviation is likely to trigger a big problem. Context matters. Impressions matter.
 

dpenabill

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Do you know how IRCC check if I satisfy residence requirement?
This is actually a HUGE subject with many tangents.

For the vast majority of grant citizenship applicants, however, it is simple. And it is the underlying reasoning hard-wired into the presence calculation. ASSUMING the applicant accurately reports ALL dates of exit and dates of entry into Canada, the online presence calculator counts all days as present IN Canada to include all days between a known date of entry and the next reported date of exit, including the date of entry and the date of exit. That's it.

And, indeed, if the applicant does in fact accurately report each and every date of entry and date of exit, there is no doubt, the INFERENCE of actual presence in Canada between those dates is valid and the calculation of total days present is accurate. Actual physical presence shown.

But of course IRCC will examine and consider and compare a lot of other information to assess the completeness and accuracy of this information. This is what the applicant's address and work history is largely about. Is that information consistent with the applicant's reported travel history? If a processing agent or Citizenship Officer notices some inconsistency or incongruity regarding this information, that tends to trigger a more in-depth examination of what the applicant reports AND potentially triggering more in-depth examination of other information, including potentially what is called "open source" information. The latter can include inquiries researching LinkedIn, for example, or social media platforms. I reference "LinkedIn" because it is one of the more common sources of information which CIC/IRCC has accessed triggering negative decisions.

For the vast majority of applicants it tends to be easy to see that all the applicant's information (including immigration history, address history, work history, and other information) is consistent with the applicant's reported travel history. And thus, if otherwise IRCC does not see any indication the travel history is incomplete or inaccurate, it is easy to conclude the travel history is accurate and complete . . . leading to the inference that the applicant was IN Canada all days in-between a reported date of entry and the next reported date of exit.

BUT IF AND WHEN there is some indication the applicant MAY (just possibly) not have accurately reported ALL dates of travel, there are, then, reasons-to-question-presence/residency. As I noted in the other post, specific criteria constituting reasons-to-question-presence/residency were publicly disclosed until 2012, and then the criteria adopted, the "triage criteria," became known through a leaked copy of the FRC (File Requirements Checklist) from OB 407. We know the latter has been significantly modified since 2012 but it has been years since we have seen reliable versions of internal IRCC documentation regarding the triage criteria, so the precise criteria now in use remains largely secret.

Some reasons-to-question-residency are obvious. If and when IRCC discovers the applicant omitted a trip abroad, duh, obviously that triggers elevated scrutiny and can lead to RQ-related non-routine processing. The typical way IRCC discovers this is by comparing the applicant's reported travel history with the CBSA record of entry into Canada. But of course that is NOT the only way in which IRCC might discover the POSSIBILITY the applicant failed to disclose, or inaccurately reported, a trip abroad.

In the latter regard, it warrants noting and emphasizing that not all errors are created equal or treated equally. There are credible anecdotal reports in this forum of RQ-related non-routing processing being triggered by the failure to report a SINGLE DAY-TRIP to the U.S. In contrast, there are also credible anecdotal reports from applicants who overlooked, and thus left out, trips for many days, even three weeks, without that triggering any non-routine processing at all.

Big factors which undoubtedly loom large in such different outcomes include how much margin over the minimum the applicant applied with, and the IRCC official's general impression of the applicant's credibility. Credibility looms large. Very large.

Which leads to a side-step, back to the matter of updating information such as changes in home address: even if a failure to advise IRCC of a home address change timely (and, of course, truthfully) does not, itself, cause an overt problem, make no mistake about the potential negative influence if the IRCC official evaluating the information suspects, merely SUSPECTS, the applicant is being at all deceptive. This is NOT about what will for-sure happen. This is about RISKS. About the RISK that playing games with information, like one's "home address," can have a negative credibility influence.

Second to technically meeting the specific requirements themselves, the applicant's credibility looms as the next most significant factor determining how things go. In this regard, there is no specific credibility requirement other than what constitutes outright misrepresentation. Moreover, credibility is mostly about appearance, about impression.

BACK TO HOW IRCC CHECKS PRESENCE:

Overall, IRCC's approach is to look for discrepancies, inconsistencies, incongruities, any information that MIGHT indicate the applicant's information is not complete or entirely accurate. How this is done varies. Sometimes, for example there are telephone calls to the applicant (this happened to me) or the applicant's current or past employer. But again, this is mostly an effort to identify whether or not there is some reason to doubt the applicant's information.

Once there is reason to question the applicant's information, and that rises to the level triggering RQ-related non-routine processing, the burden is put on the applicant . . . and when this happens, not only is the applicant required to document all travel history, but depending on the scope of IRCC's doubts the applicant may be required to provide evidence of ACTUAL PRESENCE in all the days between travel history dates. The applicant might NO LONGER benefit from the inference the applicant was IN Canada from a known date of entry until the next reported or known date of exit. At this point it is NOT about how IRCC checks the applicant's presence but what amount of evidence is needed for the applicant to PROVE he or she was ACTUALLY IN Canada all those days in-between travel dates.

SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT:

Applicant shows up at the test and interview, and one way or another the interviewer determines the applicant has been living abroad (staying abroad longer than merely traveling abroad). Even assuming this happens in a way that the interviewer has no reason to doubt the applicant's credibility. On the application form (or as updated) it says the applicant's home address is xxxx, Canada. But the applicant is now living at zzzzz, France (or the U.S. or wherever). At the very least this reveals the applicant will report a residential address that is different from where the applicant actually is living. What about the address history in the application? Was that merely some address (friend's or family or . . . ) the applicant could "use" as a home address even though the applicant was actually living somewhere else? Is this a question calling for further examination? Often not. But as soon as the applicant shows IRCC he or she is willing to report a "home address" that is not where the applicant actually lives, obviously this MIGHT invite questions about the applicant's other reporting of residential addresses.

THERE ARE GOOD, SOLID REASONS WHY PRUDENT OBSERVERS EMPHASIZE, AGAIN and AGAIN, BE TRUTHFUL.

Those who play games with the information they provide do so at their peril.