Lawsuit to stop BILL C24 : Member Crimesinister

[alphazip]

So you call ignorant all people who vote for Harper. What a pity you live in a country where at least 35% are ignorant.... mister genious.

Yes, well, Harper is only in power because the voters who don't want him split their votes between two different parties.

 

[screech339]

Yes, well, Harper is only in power because the voters who don't want him split their votes between two different parties.

I can say the same reason liberal government was in power for a decade as well. Voters who don't want chretien split their votes between two different parties. The reform and conservative parties. I guess that's okay for liberal government who ran for a decade with 40% of the votes but not for conservatives? Talk about double standard.

 

[alphazip]

I can say the same reason liberal government was in power for a decade as well. Voters who don't want chretien split their votes between two different parties. The reform and conservative parties. I guess that's okay for liberal government who ran for a decade with 40% of the votes but not for conservatives? Talk about double standard.

How so? Before the PCs and Reform/Canadian Alliance united, there was a centre party (Liberals), a left-of-centre party (NDP), a centre-right party (PC) and a hard-right party (Reform/Canadian Alliance). So, with four parties...two on the right and two on the centre to left, Chretien still won. Now there is an uneven number of parties (ignoring minor parties, such as the Greens)...3...which always skews things toward the Conservatives. In theory, in a minority government situation, the two other parties could form a coalition to defeat the Conservatives in parliament, which is certainly part of our parliamentary system of government. However, Harper launched a PR offensive to make Canadians think that such a form of government is somehow undemocratic!

 

[screech339]

How so? Before the PCs and Reform/Canadian Alliance united, there was a centre party (Liberals), a left-of-centre party (NDP), a centre-right party (PC) and a hard-right party (Reform/Canadian Alliance). So, with four parties...two on the right and two on the centre to left, Chretien still won. Now there is an uneven number of parties (ignoring minor parties, such as the Greens)...3...which always skews things toward the Conservatives. In theory, in a minority government situation, the two other parties could form a coalition to defeat the Conservatives in parliament, which is certainly part of our parliamentary system of government. However, Harper launched a PR offensive to make Canadians think that such a form of government is somehow undemocratic!

It is not undemocratic if the liberal and ndp actually announce to the public before the election that they will form a coalition government if a minority government was form. Then yes if is democratic since people were informed of their intentions.

People voted on the assumption that there will be no coalition if minority government is formed. If liberal or ndp told the voters prior to election that they won't seek coalition with opposition or make no mention of coalition, and then do so after the election, that is undemocratic.

Take a look at other elections in other countries whereby there are multiple parties. They all announced prior to election who they are in coalition with. Then the voters will determine who they want in based on coalition parties.

I have no issues with coalition government of opposition parties so long as they informed voters of this intention prior to election. This way voters can see that it is really 2 parties running for government. Not 3 parties. Once people sees that, their voting intentions change dramatically. A lot of the blue liberal votes will likely bleed to the Tories, out of fear of the NDP policies. Now that's democratic.

 

[alphazip]

It is not undemocratic if the liberal and ndp actually announce to the public before the election that they will form a coalition government if a minority government was form. Then yes if is democratic since people were informed of their intentions.

People voted on the assumption that there will be no coalition if minority government is formed. If liberal or ndp told the voters prior to election that they won't seek coalition with opposition or make no mention of coalition, and then do so after the election, that is undemocratic.

Take a look at other elections in other countries whereby there are multiple parties. They all announced prior to election who they are in coalition with. Then the voters will determine who they want in based on coalition parties.

I have no issues with coalition government of opposition parties so long as they informed voters of this intention prior to election. This way voters can see that it is really 2 parties running for government. Not 3 parties. Once people sees that, their voting intentions change dramatically. A lot of the blue liberal votes will likely bleed to the Tories, out of fear of the NDP policies. Now that's democratic.

Actually, it doesn't work that way at all. Let's go to the 2010 election in Britain...home of the mother of parliaments. The Conservatives & Labour both discovered they didn't have a majority. Both parties entered into talks with the Liberal Democrats and the Lib Dems chose to enter a coalition with the Conservatives. Did the Lib Dems announce in advance that they were going to go into a coalition with the Conservatives? Of course they didn't. Look at any Israeli election. Do the parties announce in advance who will be their coalition partners? No, that's all decided after the election, depending on the standing of the various parties. The whole idea is to get the support of parliament. This is a parliamentary system, not a U.S. presidential system. You, like Harper, want to set things up so the Conservatives always come out on top.

 

[screech339]

Actually, it doesn't work that way at all. Let's go to the 2010 election in Britain...home of the mother of parliaments. The Conservatives & Labour both discovered they didn't have a majority. Both parties entered into talks with the Liberal Democrats and the Lib Dems chose to enter a coalition with the Conservatives. Did the Lib Dems announce in advance that they were going to go into a coalition with the Conservatives? Of course they didn't. Look at any Israeli election. Do the parties announce in advance who will be their coalition partners? No, that's all decided after the election, depending on the standing of the various parties. The whole idea is to get the support of parliament. This is a parliamentary system, not a U.S. presidential system. You, like Harper, want to set things up so the Conservatives always come out on top.

Why don't they announce their coalition intentions? After all if 60% of the voters are socialists, what's the problem. They shouldn't be scared to announce their intentions of forming coalition government if 60% of the voters are naturally left voters. Then the socialist party will forever run the majority government for decades. Why can't they announce or even join under one party? No because the liberal party needs the red tories and the blue liberals. Otherwise they will lose them to the Tories over NDP policies.

 

[neutral]

There is always an excuse for the losers..... Conservatives won and period ... because other parties split votes .... well, because NPD it's different from Liberals so obviously each party has people voting for them. That's just part of the strategy,

 

[alphazip]

Why don't they announce their coalition intentions? After all if 60% of the voters are socialists, what's the problem. They shouldn't be scared to announce their intentions of forming coalition government if 60% of the voters are naturally left voters. Then the socialist party will forever run the majority government for decades. Why can't they announce or even join under one party? No because the liberal party needs the red tories and the blue liberals. Otherwise they will lose them to the Tories over NDP policies.

Obviously, every party wants to win. If a party announces at the start..."oh, we're going to be part of a coalition"...how would that motivate people to vote for that party? It's not announced here or anywhere else. It's called a parliamentary system of government.

 

[screech339]

Obviously, every party wants to win. If a party announces at the start..."oh, we're going to be part of a coalition"...how would that motivate people to vote for that party? It's not announced here or anywhere else. It's called a parliamentary system of government.

The NDP federal party has never formed government in their lifetime and yet they make no mention of coalition. Actually they have. But the liberal refuses the offer. The liberal knows they will lose a lot of votes if voters knew of their coalition intentions with NDP. So they want to keep that a secret from voters.

How can Trudeau talk about changing the vote system if it will surely end up as coalition parties in the end and yet refuses to consider or talk about joining NDP as coalition party under the current system.

 

[ottomancan]

So is there any up date for the case? what i feel i am being trade un fair now! I been leaving here for 10 years (with my pre PR days when i was in uni) and because of i went back to see my family, i missed the old rules by 1 month and i have a friend that he is been living here for 4-5 years and because of his school he did not have much time to travel lots he applied like 2-3 weeks ago Bill-24 went enforce. So i call this unfair. If i knew this was coming enforce i would not travel back for that long. And i would apply before. Also now i start to feel 2nd class citizen now.

Therefore, Please let me know if there is any updates or possibilities to win this case against Bill-c24.

Thanks

 

[Nick_87]

So is there any up date for the case? what i feel i am being trade un fair now! I been leaving here for 10 years (with my pre PR days when i was in uni) and because of i went back to see my family, i missed the old rules by 1 month and i have a friend that he is been living here for 4-5 years and because of his school he did not have much time to travel lots he applied like 2-3 weeks ago Bill-24 went enforce. So i call this unfair. If i knew this was coming enforce i would not travel back for that long. And i would apply before. Also now i start to feel 2nd class citizen now.

Therefore, Please let me know if there is any updates or possibilities to win this case against Bill-c24.

Thanks

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[wilbur]

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Funny stuff!

 

[neutral]

So is there any up date for the case? what i feel i am being trade un fair now! I been leaving here for 10 years (with my pre PR days when i was in uni) and because of i went back to see my family, i missed the old rules by 1 month and i have a friend that he is been living here for 4-5 years and because of his school he did not have much time to travel lots he applied like 2-3 weeks ago Bill-24 went enforce. So i call this unfair. If i knew this was coming enforce i would not travel back for that long. And i would apply before. Also now i start to feel 2nd class citizen now.

Therefore, Please let me know if there is any updates or possibilities to win this case against Bill-c24.

Thanks

You should evaluate leaving Canada, going back to your country. Being and specially, feeling like you are a 2nd class citizen is a no no.

 

[David_Parker]

Don't fight guyzz!

IIt's just a matter of luck, if we are alive, we will complete that requirement as well.

My PR was delayed by 1.5 years just bcz of closer of Buffalo visa office.
Also I would eligible for Citizenship on July 6,2015.Now I have to wait till July, 2017

I am late by 3.5 year already without any reason.

We are just unlucky....... Old rules are changing when it's our turn, only the person who going through it can understand, nobody else can

 

[MUFC]

It is funny for me when I see the "second class" citizen propaganda.

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