JULY 2014 OUTLAND APPLICATIONS!

[Antoinetee]

For the spreadsheet: my husband did his medical on June 13, we've mailed our application on july 19th and our Visa office is Paris

 

[dt-tdot]

Thanks for setting up the spreadsheet for us. I took advice from this forum not to do my medical before the I sent the application - apparently they will now request the medical. I hope this was the right thing to do. It also means that the expiration of the medical does not become a concern because I plan to land in July 2015.

Interesting. I am sure it's specific for the London VO.

 

[Christoph100]

Interesting. I am sure it's specific for the London VO.

I'm thinking it must be that way too, I had my wife get hers done just before I sent in our application.

 

[rhcohen2014]

Interesting. I am sure it's specific for the London VO.

no, it's not specific for a london. the medical exam is a required document for submitting upfront, applicants just CHOOSE not to send it in until it's requested. while this is a "trend", it isn't the standard per CIC, and there is still risk to the application being considered incomplete. i have a feeling since the medical results are now electronic, cic is kinda just looking the other way and letting the sponsor's app continue. I assume the emedical report is easier to record and track than the old IMM forms applicants used to have to use. The sponsor eligibility letter (SA) will request the medical to be sent to the visa office.

While waiting on the medical won't prevent a sponsor from being found eligible, it will hold up the applicant's application until it is submitted. For the most part this doesn't really matter because the applicant's application ends up sitting in qeue for months before processing is begun, usually providing ample time for an applicant to submit the exam before it's actually needed.

I would imagine in due time, CIC will either continue to ignore it, change the policy, or start refusing applications without an upfront medical. only time will tell.

 

[jonny_rotten]

I definitely read on this forum that they have changed when the medical is required - the checklist is out of date apparently and so it still has medical as a requirement for the initial application. I will start hunting for the thread and link it here when I find it.

Thanks

Jonny

 

[rhcohen2014]

I definitely read on this forum that they have changed when the medical is required - the checklist is out of date apparently and so it still has medical as a requirement for the initial application. I will start hunting for the thread and link it here when I find it.

Thanks

Jonny

no, it's not that CIC has changed the rules, and the checklist is out of date. it is the fact that cic is looking the other way with upfront medicals, and ALLOWING people submit them later. if the OFFICIAL RULES of submitting a family sponsorship application were changed, so would the checklists. posting a thread from this forum will not prove the official "rules" have changed, unless it's quoting a specific bulletin from CIC stating that medicals are no longer required to be submitted upfront. If you can find an official bulletin from CIC suggesting this has changed, then i will believe the "rules" have changed. I suspect this will be impossible to find, as there has not been official word from CIC about this. Until then, this is only happening because applicants are choosing to do it, and cic is not stopping it - for now.

Just because this is the "Trend" applicants are following, does not mean it's still not required per CIC's process. It just means CIC is looking the other way because the medical results of the applicant have nothing to do with whether a person is eligible to sponsor. As already stated, only the future will tell if this is something that will continue or CIC will put a kabosh too.

It's important to remember there is a significant difference between the official rules of processing changing and CIC letting certain things slide because the process is becoming more electronic.

 

[jonny_rotten]

Well I'm a little confused now.

Rhcohen2014, you yourself told me that it was "ok to send medicals along with the application or wait for them to be requested" and that "usually it's requested in the sponsorship approval letter which will be sent to the sponsor by either email or regular post." In this thread: http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/medical-exam-for-family-sponsorship-t133358.15.html.

posting a thread from this forum will not prove the official "rules" have changed, unless it's quoting a specific bulletin from CIC stating that medicals are no longer required to be submitted upfront

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/medical/medexams-perm.asp

CIC website states that "There are two ways you can have an immigration medical exam, depending on your immigration category".

The first option is to "wait for instructions once you have submitted your application".

The second option it gives is to "undergo your exam before you submit your application (only for certain family class applicants)"

It does not say that this second option is mandatory though. It says you "can" rather than "must".

no, it's not that CIC has changed the rules, and the checklist is out of date

You sure?

 

[uskyoot]

I think a lot depends on which Visa office you are using and what the processing time is. If your visa office has a processing time of several months then it might be OK to wait until the medical is requested. For visa offices with quicker processing time ( U.S.) then submitting the medical upfront would be the wise thing to do(and was required as part of the Outland application package). My husband's application from the U.S. was completed in 3 mths so waiting to do medicals would have caused a delay. Just my opinion!

 

[rhcohen2014]

Well I'm a little confused now.

Rhcohen2014, you yourself told me that it was "ok to send medicals along with the application or wait for them to be requested" and that "usually it's requested in the sponsorship approval letter which will be sent to the sponsor by either email or regular post." In this thread: http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/medical-exam-for-family-sponsorship-t133358.15.html.

yes, i did say it was ok, because as this forum indicates, it is OK to do. many people have done this. you will probably also see earlier discussiong of mine saying that it needs to be submitted upfront, because that's what I did and wouldn't have assumed otherwise if that's how i submitted my application. just because I say it's ok doesn't mean it's officially accepted by CIC. I never once say the rule was OFFICIALLY changed by CIC. the fact remains the medical exam is listed as a REQUIRED document on the OUTLAND checklist, therefore it's not safe to assume you application will continue processing without it. And yes, typically when a medical is not included upfront, CIC will request it in the SA letter. Does that mean they will continue to do so? Maybe or maybe not. Could CIC realize too many people are not providing medicals upfront and start returning application? absolutely! I don't write the legislation for immigration guidelines, so what i say doesn't change the way CIC handles medical exams.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/medical/medexams-perm.asp

CIC website states that "There are two ways you can have an immigration medical exam, depending on your immigration category". [/font][/font]

The first option is to "wait for instructions once you have submitted your application".

The second option it gives is to "undergo your exam before you submit your application (only for certain family class applicants)"

It does not say that this second option is mandatory though. It says you "can" rather than "must".
You sure?

the operative phrase here is DEPENDING ON YOUR IMMIGRATION CATEGORY. While some immigration categories such as parents sponsorship and inland sponsorship probably do not have to provide medicals upfront, some do - such as OUTLAND spousal sponsorship. I would imagine if you look at th checklists for those other categories, the medicals may not be listed as a REQUIRED upfront document. Check your checklist for OUTLAND processing. What does it say? And now, how do the checklists for OTHER categories differ?

the fact remains, the OUTLAND application package specifically lists the medical exam as a required document, does it not? If you CHOSE to not send it in upfront, then you chose to not send it upfront and you will get the request in SA. I am not sure what else to say, because i am just repeating myself. IT'S NOT AN OFFICIAL CHANGE TO THE RULES, IT IS BASED ON THE DESCRETION OF THE APPLICANT. Trying to argue the point because you decided to not submit the form upfront doesn't change the facts. I will not entertain this argument any further. i will agree to disagree.

 

[rhcohen2014]

I think a lot depends on which Visa office you are using and what the processing time is. If your visa office has a processing time of several months then it might be OK to wait until the medical is requested. For visa offices with quicker processing time ( U.S.) then submitting the medical upfront would be the wise thing to do. My husband's application from the U.S. was completed in 3 mths so waiting to do medicals would have caused a delay. Just my opinion!

EXACTLY!!!!

 

[jonny_rotten]

Well this escalated quickly - I didn't actually realize I was having an argument..........there is no disagreement, only confusion (on my part).

I do understand what you are saying and as much as I appreciate the advice from the kind strangers on this forum, I wouldn't jeopardize my application by taking said advice as gospel. The link to the CIC page is what persuaded me to send off my application without a medical. Maybe I misread it.

 

[Christoph100]

I do understand what you are saying and as much as I appreciate the advice from the kind strangers on this forum, I wouldn't jeopardize my application by taking said advice as gospel. The link to the CIC page is what persuaded me to send off my application without a medical. Maybe I misread it.

There is only one thing you can do now and that is just to hope that your application is not returned as incomplete,

I am hoping our application is not returned as well..Different circumstances..CIC was nice enough to update 2 forms just before I sent in our application, as the PC's would have expired the time I could get the updated forms signed and sent back here.

Wishing us both good luck.
Chris

 

[rhcohen2014]

There is only one thing you can do now and that is just to hope that your application is not returned as incomplete,

it is very unlikely the application will be returned as incomplete because of the medical. as the "trend" found on this forum seems to still hold true.

 

[Christoph100]

That is great news but it would be nice if CIC would make that change officially.

 

[uskyoot]

I think the best scenario is for the application process to speed up- ( as seems to be happening for some V.O.) Then there are no worries about the medical