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Outworld

Star Member
Oct 25, 2017
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Could not resist a cheeky reply (to your above dig at our respected members). Not necessarily all "doctors" are Canada immigration experts like our respected members here :p;)

:D:D:D
Okay you made yourself happy.
It is justified to provide correct information about the medical condition. I didn't claim to be an immigration expert as some of members who insist on the correctness of the medical information.
Peace
 

express2020

Star Member
Sep 6, 2018
73
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I am HIV Positive for the past three years (living in USA)... Continuously UD and CD4 constantly between 1100 > 1300

Once the new Triple-Threshold rule was introduced in April, I went and I applied for the Entry Draw in May (CRS score: 467) and recently got my medicals cleared (Medical Exam + Additional Medical Exam)

No "Medical Inadmissibility" letter was involved.

I was informed that i may have to just sign few forms like HIV Partner Notification, handout forms and form detailing When / Where to get care once I land

@Nibson2000 Please go ahead and apply if

1) if ur taking Drugs which lost the patent in Canada u are fine. I am on Atripla and it helped my case ( Generic manufactured by Mylan: 4000 CAD per year, even the Brand Ones are lesser than 10000 CAD). If u are not, switch to Atripla for 6 months before applying.

2) if ur VL is continuously Undetectable, Good C and has all the medical records ( here in the US, I waived off the confidentiality agreement with my Clinic to release the Doctor notes for the CIC -Additional medical exam Internal Medicine Specialist who requested it)

Best of Luck for your Application

P.S: People should not have an opinion on everything. Half-mentoring (even if the intention is morally right) is extremely dangerous.
 

Outworld

Star Member
Oct 25, 2017
97
17
I am HIV Positive for the past three years (living in USA)... Continuously UD and CD4 constantly between 1100 > 1300

Once the new Triple-Threshold rule was introduced in April, I went and I applied for the Entry Draw in May (CRS score: 467) and recently got my medicals cleared (Medical Exam + Additional Medical Exam)

No "Medical Inadmissibility" letter was involved.

I was informed that i may have to just sign few forms like HIV Partner Notification, handout forms and form detailing When / Where to get care once I land

@Nibson2000 Please go ahead and apply if

1) if ur taking Drugs which lost the patent in Canada u are fine. I am on Atripla and it helped my case ( Generic manufactured by Mylan: 4000 CAD per year, even the Brand Ones are lesser than 10000 CAD). If u are not, switch to Atripla for 6 months before applying.

2) if ur VL is continuously Undetectable, Good C and has all the medical records ( here in the US, I waived off the confidentiality agreement with my Clinic to release the Doctor notes for the CIC -Additional medical exam Internal Medicine Specialist who requested it)

Best of Luck for your Application

P.S: People should not have an opinion on everything. Half-mentoring (even if the intention is morally right) is extremely dangerous.
Thanks what I was talking about thanks for your post.
And very good luck.
I am also HIv positive and submitted my documents in July. I am taking Mylan generic medicine which cost 5000 CAD per annum.
Immidiately they asked for additional test for Hep B and C which I done and was negative for both and then I submitted my documents at the end of July.
Still waiting for my medical results to be reviewed.
Please can you tell me how long did it take after submitting your application and additional tests to have medicals passed?
 

Outworld

Star Member
Oct 25, 2017
97
17
Thanks what I was talking about thanks for your post.
And very good luck.
I am also HIv positive and submitted my documents in July. I am taking Mylan generic medicine which cost 5000 CAD per annum.
Immidiately they asked for additional test for Hep B and C which I done and was negative for both and then I submitted my documents at the end of July.
Still waiting for my medical results to be reviewed.
Please can you tell me how long did it take after submitting your application and additional tests to have medicals passed?
Also did you have arranged job offer or pnp?
 

express2020

Star Member
Sep 6, 2018
73
26
Thanks what I was talking about thanks for your post.
And very good luck.
I am also HIv positive and submitted my documents in July. I am taking Mylan generic medicine which cost 5000 CAD per annum.
Immidiately they asked for additional test for Hep B and C which I done and was negative for both and then I submitted my documents at the end of July.
Still waiting for my medical results to be reviewed.
Please can you tell me how long did it take after submitting your application and additional tests to have medicals passed?
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It took me about 2 months for the medicals to be cleared. How abt you?. Did u get any update on ur medicals?
 

Nibson2000

Member
Aug 8, 2018
12
1
Hi express2020,

Thank you very much. I'm on Tenolam-E (tenofovir, lamivudine, efavirenz single dose combination).

Pls any idea about this drug in Canada? Will I need to switch to another as proposed?

Thanks
 

express2020

Star Member
Sep 6, 2018
73
26
I had clearedmedicals and after a week or so I received passport request
I didn't have neither pnp or job offer
Congratulations! Hope things go smoothly for all the Positive Guys hereafter.

How many days did it take you from AOR to Medicals Passed?
 

express2020

Star Member
Sep 6, 2018
73
26
Hi express2020,

Thank you very much. I'm on Tenolam-E (tenofovir, lamivudine, efavirenz single dose combination).

Pls any idea about this drug in Canada? Will I need to switch to another as proposed?

Thanks


As of now, there is no Single Tablet regimen exists for your combination in Canada... ie equivalent to Tenolam-E Tablet.

So I believe in your case they will calculate the costs separately...Tenofovir -TDF don't have any generic versions in Canada market as the patent is still active, but Lamivudine & Efavirenz has cheaper generic versions ... U are fine if the separate tablets come under be under $19K mark, but if it crosses the $ 19K they will issue a Medical Inadmissibility letter....No one knows how CIC panel calculates the medical costs of individual tablets. Don't give them a chance

Why don't u switch to Atripla.... if u are in INDIAN SUBCONTINENT ask your doctor to put you on the generic version of Atripla: VIRADAY ( Tenofovir + Efavirenz + Emtricitabine)... U won't feel any difference....even I switched from Vonaday ( another version of Tenolam E) to Viraday back in 2016... Just make sure after a month u continue to be Undetectable in Atripla/Viraday tablet regimen and then get a letter and lab reports from your doctor to confirm the same for submission during Express Entry Medical Exam.

PS: Tenolam-E (tenofovir, lamivudine, efavirenz ) is manufactured and sold (starting in May 2018 only) by Mylan Corporation as "Symfi Lo" in the USA. possibly in Canada in a few years.
 
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Nibson2000

Member
Aug 8, 2018
12
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As of now, there is no Single Tablet regimen exists for your combination in Canada... ie equivalent to Tenolam-E Tablet.

So I believe in your case they will calculate the costs separately...Tenofovir -TDF don't have any generic versions in Canada market as the patent is still active, but Lamivudine & Efavirenz has cheaper generic versions ... U are fine if the separate tablets come under be under $19K mark, but if it crosses the $ 19K they will issue a Medical Inadmissibility letter....No one knows how CIC panel calculates the medical costs of individual tablets. Don't give them a chance

Why don't u switch to Atripla.... if u are in INDIAN SUBCONTINENT ask your doctor to put you on the generic version of Atripla: VIRADAY ( Tenofovir + Efavirenz + Emtricitabine)... U won't feel any difference....even I switched from Vonaday ( another version of Tenolam E) to Viraday back in 2016... Just make sure after a month u continue to be Undetectable in Atripla/Viraday tablet regimen and then get a letter and lab reports from your doctor to confirm the same for sub
As of now, there is no Single Tablet regimen exists for your combination in Canada... ie equivalent to Tenolam-E Tablet.

So I believe in your case they will calculate the costs separately...Tenofovir -TDF don't have any generic versions in Canada market as the patent is still active, but Lamivudine & Efavirenz has cheaper generic versions ... U are fine if the separate tablets come under be under $19K mark, but if it crosses the $ 19K they will issue a Medical Inadmissibility letter....No one knows how CIC panel calculates the medical costs of individual tablets. Don't give them a chance

Why don't u switch to Atripla.... if u are in INDIAN SUBCONTINENT ask your doctor to put you on the generic version of Atripla: VIRADAY ( Tenofovir + Efavirenz + Emtricitabine)... U won't feel any difference....even I switched from Vonaday ( another version of Tenolam E) to Viraday back in 2016... Just make sure after a month u continue to be Undetectable in Atripla/Viraday tablet regimen and then get a letter and lab reports from your doctor to confirm the same for submission during Express Entry Medical Exam.

PS: Tenolam-E (tenofovir, lamivudine, efavirenz ) is manufactured and sold (starting in May 2018 only) by Mylan Corporation as "Symfi Lo" in the USA. possibly in Canada in a few years.
Thank you very much. I leave in Cameroon. Will check the drug options available.
 

AC1987

Newbie
Oct 16, 2018
8
2
Yes I am pretty aware that the threshold is higher now. As you can see nowhere in my post I was mentioning specific sum.
However it is still true, that they will do simulation for 5 years in the future in order to calculate possible costs. There is no medicine that could treat the illness itself. The only offered thing are medicaments that helps to increase the life span and postpone the progress of the illness itself.
it is also true that you will not die from having HIV itself, but rather from the lack of the antibodies in your system.
The biggest problem of this virus is that it is a random lottery what can be fatal in such case.
So what they will do is following.
1. they will check his current state and progression of illness itself.
2. they will compare it with current statistics and lifespan of patients in similar stage.
3. they will project it into the future and compare it with a statistics of such patients 10 years later
4. They will include not just medicaments itself but a possible testing and doctors visits together with statistics of potential complications.
And depending on those statistics (that might include estimated complications), they will or will not accept that person.
Also PFL itself can be still appealed but in that case it is on the applicant to put down all the evidence pointing that the needed medical care will be less than the current threshold.

Funny enough people with previously cured TB or hepatitis B have no problem to immigrate to Canada. People with HIV can have. The simple reason is that TB and certain type of hepatitis are curable unlike HIV.
Hello everyone.
I’m so sorry but this comment is full of miss information. Not only about the HIV virus and treatment but also on the new ammentment made by the Department of immigration.

First of all, when HIV is controlled and the patient is undetectable and the medical regime is working, there is no scientific reason why the patient will suddenly die or get sick. Please people it’s important to educate yourself first about HIV/AIDS and antiretroviral medicine before posting about the issue.

Second, the medical rest you undergo, uses an HIV test called ELISA, this test will react to a protein in your blood that only appears if you were expose or have, or had the virus active. Hence NON REACTIVE and REACTIVE test results.

WHERE EXPOSE: some people were expose to the virus but no longer have it since they quickly stopped it before maturing using PREP drugs.
HAVE HIV: people who have untreated HIV maybe going to AIDS.
HAD IT: even though there is only one person in the world totally cured of HIV; people undergoing treatment and undetectable (this means there is no detectable copies of the virus in a blood sample = the person NO LONGER transmit the virus) are safe and free of sudden death or diying by any opportunistic illness.
As I mentioned before the test ELISA won’t let you know if you have AIDS, for that you need to look at your CD4 or white cells. If you are under medication and undetectable your white cells are fine, healthy and your immune systems is working as good as the next negative person. Therefore you won’t BE DIYING OF GETTING SICK SUDDENTLY OR GETTING AN OPPORTUNISTIC ILNESS.

That is why immigration Canada since a lot of time ago, do not consider having HIV a treat to healthy Canadians but an excessive demand to publish funds for treating people in Canada.

Fourtunately since June 2018 this funds have been raised to 19,000 a year per person. A person who is HIV POSITIVE under treatment and Undetectable is considered in better health. Please read this sample taking out of the CIC WEBSITE

A 40-year‑old female applicant to the Provincial Nominee Program, who intends to live in Toronto, Ontario, has HIV. Without medication, the applicant would develop acquired immune deficiency syndrome (AIDS) and become ill. The applicant takes the medication Atripla to treat her infection and to protect her immune system. She also has regular appointments with a doctor who specializes in HIV, and she gets laboratory tests.

Assuming her costs are

  • Medication: $16,425 per year
  • Specialist doctor visits every 6 months: $210.50 per year
  • Laboratory tests (liver function, viral load, CD4 count and complete blood count every 3 months): $139.80 per year
The total cost of health and social services for this applicant is $16,775 per year (or $83,877 over 5 years). This cost would not exceed the cost threshold of $19,812 per year. This applicant would be admissible because her health condition would not reasonably be expected to cause excessive demand on health or social services.

for more information please go to https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/publications-manuals/excessive-demand.html
 

Outworld

Star Member
Oct 25, 2017
97
17
Hello everyone.
I’m so sorry but this comment is full of miss information. Not only about the HIV virus and treatment but also on the new ammentment made by the Department of immigration.

First of all, when HIV is controlled and the patient is undetectable and the medical regime is working, there is no scientific reason why the patient will suddenly die or get sick. Please people it’s important to educate yourself first about HIV/AIDS and antiretroviral medicine before posting about the issue.

Second, the medical rest you undergo, uses an HIV test called ELISA, this test will react to a protein in your blood that only appears if you were expose or have, or had the virus active. Hence NON REACTIVE and REACTIVE test results.

WHERE EXPOSE: some people were expose to the virus but no longer have it since they quickly stopped it before maturing using PREP drugs.
HAVE HIV: people who have untreated HIV maybe going to AIDS.
HAD IT: even though there is only one person in the world totally cured of HIV; people undergoing treatment and undetectable (this means there is no detectable copies of the virus in a blood sample = the person NO LONGER transmit the virus) are safe and free of sudden death or diying by any opportunistic illness.
As I mentioned before the test ELISA won’t let you know if you have AIDS, for that you need to look at your CD4 or white cells. If you are under medication and undetectable your white cells are fine, healthy and your immune systems is working as good as the next negative person. Therefore you won’t BE DIYING OF GETTING SICK SUDDENTLY OR GETTING AN OPPORTUNISTIC ILNESS.

That is why immigration Canada since a lot of time ago, do not consider having HIV a treat to healthy Canadians but an excessive demand to publish funds for treating people in Canada.

Fourtunately since June 2018 this funds have been raised to 19,000 a year per person. A person who is HIV POSITIVE under treatment and Undetectable is considered in better health. Please read this sample taking out of the CIC WEBSITE

A 40-year‑old female applicant to the Provincial Nominee Program, who intends to live in Toronto, Ontario, has HIV. Without medication, the applicant would develop acquired immune deficiency syndrome (AIDS) and become ill. The applicant takes the medication Atripla to treat her infection and to protect her immune system. She also has regular appointments with a doctor who specializes in HIV, and she gets laboratory tests.

Assuming her costs are

  • Medication: $16,425 per year
  • Specialist doctor visits every 6 months: $210.50 per year
  • Laboratory tests (liver function, viral load, CD4 count and complete blood count every 3 months): $139.80 per year
The total cost of health and social services for this applicant is $16,775 per year (or $83,877 over 5 years). This cost would not exceed the cost threshold of $19,812 per year. This applicant would be admissible because her health condition would not reasonably be expected to cause excessive demand on health or social services.

for more information please go to https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/publications-manuals/excessive-demand.html
I also mentioned biasis regarding that post.