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H&C Humanitarian Ground with/or Without Failed refugee claim

Taweda

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@Taweda i would suggest you call them and speak to an agent they will try and send a message to the necessary office on your behalf since its past the processing time. I just did now and hopefully something good will come out of it.
I did many times and they said a message has been sent and the officer acknowledged that they received the message
 

Thuvakarsn

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Nov 1, 2023
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Pickering
Category........
Other
Visa Office......
Niagara falls
App. Filed.......
12-04-2022
Thank you.
primary office is Vancouver
Secondary office is RROC
Ok this case depends on what city u are in. Please contact ur local mp by email. Ask them for support to urge the processing

THIS CASE MP IS THE BEST CHOICE
 
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Kate_20

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There is so much well documented inconsistency. There are charts about what office gives higher chances of approval, what members give almost 100% approval yet other give 10%. Yet again parent sponsorship is not guaranteed. If it was then people would be able to immigrate with their parents. Extending the length of a supervisa to compromise with people wanting more PGP spots is giving families the false sense impression that their parents are moving to Canada. The government should be very clear from when people apply to come to Canada that bringing parents is not guaranteed. There are quotas for PGP for a reason we don’t have the capacity or money to take care of a lot more seniors. We can’t care for our current seniors. Canada uses immigration to combat an ageing population. If everyone could bring their parents and grandparents we would end up with an even older population. Do you work in healthcare? The projections are very scary and things aren’t great now.
Well, lets then deport all seniors currently residing in Canada since they are burden to health care....you want immigrants to come and work to make country stronger and wealthier but you dont want their family.... unfortunately, does not work that way... every single human is entitled to have immediate family members....if other groups can bring half siblings then people residing here for 20 years and paying taxes should have right to be reunited with their parents... we cannot privilege certain groups and discriminate others.... this is very poor judgment....
 

canuck78

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@canuck78 suggested to wait at least 3 years.... I would never wait that long. I would demand updates from IRCC as soon as the Processing times are passed. But it's your choice. Yet there could be a very nasty officer behind your H&C as most of these officers lack compassion and humanity so not sure if it would anyway impact the decision making. I really hope you see the update on your file but it's concerning that 2 years and nothing has happened. Current processing times are 20 months two years is 24 months so they are clearly sitting on your case...
I said to file mandamus if your file is around 3 years. Never said to not follow-up especially if compared to others your file is not process. You can expect long periods of time where you don’t hear about your application so it is important to compare your file compared to others. For example as long as you have AOR there is no need to follow up during the first year if you don’t hear anything. People should start with GCMS notes.
 

canuck78

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Well, lets then deport all seniors currently residing in Canada since they are burden to health care....you want immigrants to come and work to make country stronger and wealthier but you dont want their family.... unfortunately, does not work that way... every single human is entitled to have immediate family members....if other groups can bring half siblings then people residing here for 20 years and paying taxes should have right to be reunited with their parents... we cannot privilege certain groups and discriminate others.... this is very poor judgment....
If seniors aren’t PRs or citizens they are visiting Canada they have not permanently move to Canada. Just like any other visitor if you overstay your stay in Canada you will get a removal order. The recent change to an even longer length of supervisa stays are likely leading to confusion and a false sense that parents or grandparents will be able to secure PR during the 5-7 years and that many will need to return home. I blame the government for not clarifying so people are prepared and planning accordingly. The other big issue is that parents on supervisas need to secure supervisa insurance each year. If they get sick or need surgery one year securing supervisa insurance the next year may not be possible. If you can’t secure supervisa insurance you no longer qualify to remain in a Canada as a visitor. Immigration in general is not a benevolent system it is intended to benefit the country accepting immigrating and given our ageing population and low fertility Canada needs immigrants. Immigration also allows Canada to fill skills gaps and specific labour needs. Most people chose to immigrate to another country because it will also benefit their own life whether financially, better qualify or life, cleaner air, etc. There is also a small segment of our immigration system that is purely charitable which is our asylum system. It is meant to help the displaced and Canada tends to focus on a few especially vulnerable groups like single mothers, members of the LGBTQIA+, the physically disabled, etc.

Canada does not force people to stay in Canada and many don’t. Many decide not to immigrate in the first place for various reasons and one or the biggest reasons is that there are no guarantees that their extended family will be able to join them inn Canada. There Is so much demand that another person waiting to take their place. If extended families were guaranteed immigration they would have been included in the original PR application. Extended families are not part of immigration to most countries. Canada’s policies are actually very generous since many countries with Medicare don’t allow any parent or grandparent sponsorship or allow very long visits. Even in Canada the have been periods with very limited or no possibility for parent or grandparent sponsorship in the recent times. There are many countries where you can’t even bring your spouse or children and countries that will never guarantee you PR or citizenship yet many still move to these countries. Having your extended family living around you is not something people are entitled to. If that is someone’s top priority then immigration may not be the right option for some people. There is also always the possibility of moving to back you country of origin. You keep on bringing up that you are entitled to have you family members in Canada. Isn’t someone who has lived worked in Canada for decades, including many immigrants, entitled to a doctor or access to various forms of healthcare if they have paid taxes? Should we be adding more people to a system that can’t accommodate the current population? Aren’t those who paid into the system entitled to have access before we add more people who haven’t contributed to the system? Unless you are in the top 5% of taxpayers your taxes would not be enough to cover your extended family as well. Your taxes would cover you and your spouse and your children when they are still dependent on you. Private insurance or paying out of pocket for healthcare is also not a solution. One of the biggest issue in healthcare is the shortage of healthcare staff so even those on supervisas are placing a lot of strain on the healthcare system but there are many who also no longer have insurance or maxed out the 100k of their supervisa insurance. Anyone working in a hospital or walk-in clinic in a region with a large immigrant population will tell you that ERs and walk-in clinics are under extreme stress but so is the whole hospital system. The regional medical systems were already underfunded based on population and because infrastructure planning was done based on a Canadian household size of 2.5 people per household when the reality is that in some areas between multi-generational households and up to multiple rental units average households are substantially larger than 2.5 people. The healthcare system in general is under extreme strain but in these regions you see even more strain.

When you refer to other people being able to have their extended family join them in Canada you never highlight the fact that they are living through a war. Allowing them to qualify for PR, if they want to apply as I explained earlier, is preventing them from applying for asylum which would be approved but would also cost the Canadian taxpayers significantly more. In your country of origin (Turkey) you could have had an extended family member join you in Canada and get a WP if they lived in an area affected by the earthquake. Given earthquakes are not an ongoing phenomenon the work permit allows time for housing to be rebuilt and repaired. The family members could apply for PR like any other person on a WP but most would not qualify for asylum and there is opportunity to return to Turkey in their original home region or another which is why there isn’t a specific PR program for that population.
 

Taweda

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Nov 25, 2016
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I said to file mandamus if your file is around 3 years. Never said to not follow-up especially if compared to others your file is not process. You can expect long periods of time where you don’t hear about your application so it is important to compare your file compared to others. For example as long as you have AOR there is no need to follow up during the first year if you don’t hear anything. People should start with GCMS notes.
What if the GCMS notes just empty pages
Really nothing since the biometric Jan 2022. What they are waiting for no one knows
 

Kate_20

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Aug 13, 2011
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If seniors aren’t PRs or citizens they are visiting Canada they have not permanently move to Canada. Just like any other visitor if you overstay your stay in Canada you will get a removal order. The recent change to an even longer length of supervisa stays are likely leading to confusion and a false sense that parents or grandparents will be able to secure PR during the 5-7 years and that many will need to return home. I blame the government for not clarifying so people are prepared and planning accordingly. The other big issue is that parents on supervisas need to secure supervisa insurance each year. If they get sick or need surgery one year securing supervisa insurance the next year may not be possible. If you can’t secure supervisa insurance you no longer qualify to remain in a Canada as a visitor. Immigration in general is not a benevolent system it is intended to benefit the country accepting immigrating and given our ageing population and low fertility Canada needs immigrants. Immigration also allows Canada to fill skills gaps and specific labour needs. Most people chose to immigrate to another country because it will also benefit their own life whether financially, better qualify or life, cleaner air, etc. There is also a small segment of our immigration system that is purely charitable which is our asylum system. It is meant to help the displaced and Canada tends to focus on a few especially vulnerable groups like single mothers, members of the LGBTQIA+, the physically disabled, etc.

Canada does not force people to stay in Canada and many don’t. Many decide not to immigrate in the first place for various reasons and one or the biggest reasons is that there are no guarantees that their extended family will be able to join them inn Canada. There Is so much demand that another person waiting to take their place. If extended families were guaranteed immigration they would have been included in the original PR application. Extended families are not part of immigration to most countries. Canada’s policies are actually very generous since many countries with Medicare don’t allow any parent or grandparent sponsorship or allow very long visits. Even in Canada the have been periods with very limited or no possibility for parent or grandparent sponsorship in the recent times. There are many countries where you can’t even bring your spouse or children and countries that will never guarantee you PR or citizenship yet many still move to these countries. Having your extended family living around you is not something people are entitled to. If that is someone’s top priority then immigration may not be the right option for some people. There is also always the possibility of moving to back you country of origin. You keep on bringing up that you are entitled to have you family members in Canada. Isn’t someone who has lived worked in Canada for decades, including many immigrants, entitled to a doctor or access to various forms of healthcare if they have paid taxes? Should we be adding more people to a system that can’t accommodate the current population? Aren’t those who paid into the system entitled to have access before we add more people who haven’t contributed to the system? Unless you are in the top 5% of taxpayers your taxes would not be enough to cover your extended family as well. Your taxes would cover you and your spouse and your children when they are still dependent on you. Private insurance or paying out of pocket for healthcare is also not a solution. One of the biggest issue in healthcare is the shortage of healthcare staff so even those on supervisas are placing a lot of strain on the healthcare system but there are many who also no longer have insurance or maxed out the 100k of their supervisa insurance. Anyone working in a hospital or walk-in clinic in a region with a large immigrant population will tell you that ERs and walk-in clinics are under extreme stress but so is the whole hospital system. The regional medical systems were already underfunded based on population and because infrastructure planning was done based on a Canadian household size of 2.5 people per household when the reality is that in some areas between multi-generational households and up to multiple rental units average households are substantially larger than 2.5 people. The healthcare system in general is under extreme strain but in these regions you see even more strain.

When you refer to other people being able to have their extended family join them in Canada you never highlight the fact that they are living through a war. Allowing them to qualify for PR, if they want to apply as I explained earlier, is preventing them from applying for asylum which would be approved but would also cost the Canadian taxpayers significantly more. In your country of origin (Turkey) you could have had an extended family member join you in Canada and get a WP if they lived in an area affected by the earthquake. Given earthquakes are not an ongoing phenomenon the work permit allows time for housing to be rebuilt and repaired. The family members could apply for PR like any other person on a WP but most would not qualify for asylum and there is opportunity to return to Turkey in their original home region or another which is why there isn’t a specific PR program for that population.
Canadian citizens living in Canada for decades and paying taxes should be entitled to have their immediate family members (parents) next to them. If our tax money is supporting refugees, their parents, grandparents, children, spouses, siblings, and half siblings (if we include all relatives' numbers could triple), then we should have right to parents too, no?

Super visa is one option but if they already used 10 year super visa they should not be going for second decade of super visa at that point they should have chance to apply for PR. Thats all. Nothing here to argue about. Every citizen should be treated equally and certainly not deprive right to parents. You cannot have one group of citizens enjoying company of their parents and have ability to care for them when they are elderly and have other group of citizens play lottery which is not even available. This is very wrong. It should be everyone or no one. Or you have to guarantee that my tax money will not go to any govt services that would support other elderly in Canada if you dont want my parents here :) and again Im not saying they should not use super visa, they absolutely should use that... however, once they used 10 year visa next step should be sponsorship if sponsor is eligible of course! Canada is one of the largest countries in the world, so we have enough land space here to accommodate parents + taxes are super high so we pay enough to support each others parents and not only parents of privileged Canadians.
 
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Rashpal094

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Aug 31, 2023
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Hello guys,

uploaded photo in portal and declaration has been done since last Wednesday till I do not see Ecopr in my portal. How long does it take any idea?
Pls help
 
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Pear23

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Hello guys,

uploaded photo in portal and declaration has been done since last Wednesday till I do not see Ecopr in my portal. How long does it take any idea?
Pls help
We received Ecopr 8 days after uploading photos. It will come soon just be patient it's almost over!