Yes you shud be good. If possible add a letter from colleague stating your job as per reference letter.
Got PR without work experience reference letter?
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They will know in time because IRCC verifies the letter directly with them.That was the first thing I tried . Unfortunately looking at the format HR immediately recognised it as a letter for PR purposes. Since it's a large organisation they are very aware of all these requests. Plus I don't know if I'll get into trouble by lying about the real objective, what if they were to find out later that I misused the letter (I.e. using it for PR and not for studies)
No they are not equal. A letter from your manager or colleague is not equal to a letter from you however you want to sign it. In fact, a letter from you bears no value to the application.
Just because your letter was accepted it's not a rule it's because your work experience was not material to the application and could've been approved otherwise.
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Your case was approved either because the experience was not material or you belong to a very narrow set of companies or organizations who's type of work is already known to IRCC and you provided a generic reference letter too showing your job title. Also, for some people it is already evident what they do as their company already has a profile published online for them such as translators or people in media. In those cases if you submit a self signed letter your PR may still be approved and you could be led to believe that it had an effect, but in reality it is no different from submitting a LOE.
So even if you know some applicants who had their PR approved this way it is not a rule that you can advice any one to follow. If you would like my advice it does more harm than good because the applicant would likely set himself up for misrepresentation if he had to reapply again with a letter from his employer or colleagues that was materially different from the letter he wrote for himself.
So even if you know some applicants who had their PR approved this way it is not a rule that you can advice any one to follow. If you would like my advice it does more harm than good because the applicant would likely set himself up for misrepresentation if he had to reapply again with a letter from his employer or colleagues that was materially different from the letter he wrote for himself.
There are many public cases, including for example:
Elisha v. Canada 2012 FC 520
Chadha v. Canada 2013 FC 105
To quote from the decision for Chadha:
The judge agreed with the officer in this case of course. The applicant didn't even get AOR.
This represents the best possible case scenario for what you would advice to an applicant who cannot get proper reference letter from employer or colleagues (i.e. get all letters, pay slips ..etc and then write your own duties and responsibilites). It just doesn't work.
You are stating cases that are from before the EE program began. Your advise of 'it just doesn't work' is as good as any of us telling that it does work. Only difference is we are talking from personal experiences while you are quoting stuff from the internet.
If you read my previous responses I have categorically mentioned the steps I took for my application while clearly stating that it's my personal experience and it's variable depending on VO, country, stream etc. All of us are here to discuss and share our experiences so others can benefit from it. That doesn't mean everyone will do exactly as someone on the forum is telling them to do. In case someone is having troubles with documentation, he is only looking at this forum for alternative solutions. That does not mean he necessarily has to abide by it.
If you read the first two responses to this post that I had put up, even those people told me it absolutely wouldn't work. You have no idea how anxious and desperate that made me. Someone advised getting the letter saying it's for education. Imagine if I had been naive to take that advise. I didn't.
With you telling that it does not work, it puts the person into a dilemma of submitting nothing than atleast submitting something where he doesn't have a choice. If you tell that the work ref letter is absolutely mandatory, someone out of desperation may try to fake it.
If you don't have a solution to provide, atleast don't discourage or respond negatively especially where maybe is an option. Thank you.
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Self declaration does not work, at least from this person's GCMS notes we can see case officer did not acknowledge self declaration which was his primary NOC and awarded him 0 fsw points. His application is pending for quite few months and does not look good from GCMS notes. Please read the post-
https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/threads/all-about-gcms-how-to-order-read-general-questions-answered.482200/page-89#post-7075825
Hello,
Thanks for the post!
I got a reference letter but without job responsibilities. I am going to attach the corespondence with HR that as per the company policy they do not provide job responsibilities for the former employer. I am going to support my application with annual performance review forms which indicated my job reponsibilities with the signatures of HR and Manager on company letter head. Do you think this will work for me?? Please be noted that I need the points of this work experience.
Looking forward to hearing your advice,
Thank you
Express Entry or not it doesn't make a difference. The rules did not change because they introduced Express Entry and you still have the same rules however you want to apply to Canada. The rulings I cited do have significance because they are decisions taken directly from the Federal court in Canada regarding cases without proper reference letters. It's not "stuff from the internet".
I don't know what your profile is or what class you belong to or what your work background is to say why your case was approved. But if there is one thing I can tell you that it's not variable and does not have anything to do with which country, visa office, stream ..etc.
Sure, you can post and write about your experience it is helpful to us and others. However, you cannot assume that because it worked in your case it would work for everybody and therefore advice and encourage others to do the same. You don't know about your own circumstances the officer may have actually called or received information from your workplace confirming your stated duties and responsibilities, or there was something to that effect, you can order your GCMS and see what actually transpired in your case.
When people come to the forum they are looking for answers to their questions, which may be simple questions or things more complex. If they search the forums and find a myriad of opinions then this will only complicate matters more for them nobody is going to pick and choose especially when it concerns a very serious matter such as immigration. They want to accurately predict the outcome of their cases as to not wast time, effort, money and lost hope only to learn later they had made a mistake.
My answer remains the same. It is the answer accepted by the majority of members on this forum and is backed by precedent as shown in case law and member posts. It is also the answer that follows pure common sense as you can't expect people to try to get the letter from employers and colleagues and work hard to get this if they can simply just self declare it. I am sorry that it makes you feel anxious but my role is to only give you an honest prediction. Also, there is no need to fake or doctor a letter as there are many ways by which a person can prove his work experience, unless if they didn't have the experience to begin with.