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What are your thoughts on Kenney's speech today on CBC news?



"The federal government is making it more difficult and more expensive for companies to turn to foreign workers to fill job vacancies in Canada.

A number of changes to the temporary foreign worker program were announced Monday by Citizenship and Immigration Minister Jason Kenney. The program is jointly managed by his department and by Human Resources and Skills Development Canada.

The expected changes came after a CBC Go Public story earlier this month on use of foreign workers by Royal Bank which sparked public outrage and brought renewed focus on the temporary foreign workers program. The controversy dominated Parliament Hill and had the government defending the program but also promising changes to it so that it is not abused.

Kenney said the government is responding to concerns about how the program is being used and is making changes to ensure that Canadians get the first crack at available jobs.

Insiders say Canada 'scammed' by foreign worker industry

"The temporary foreign worker program was intended to fill acute labour shortages on a temporary basis only, not to displace Canadian workers," Kenney told a news conference in Ottawa.

One of the key changes is a new fee that will be imposed on employers when they apply to the government for a labour market opinion (LMO). A positive labour market opinion must be obtained in order for employers to bring foreign workers to Canada. It takes a number of factors into consideration including what potential benefits hiring the foreign workers would have on the labour market and what efforts were made to hire Canadian workers for the positions.

Some work categories are exempt from the LMO requirement. Professionals and business people, for example, who come to Canada as part of international agreements or workers who come as part of an exchange program, do not need a LMO.

The amount of the fee for employers has not been set yet. The government also intends to increase the price of a work permit for foreign workers. It is currently $150. Kenney said the measures will help ensure that employers do more to recruit and train Canadians before looking abroad.

"What we're trying to do is put more financial pressure on employers to look to and hire Canadians first," Kenney said at a news conference.

Another change affects how much employers must pay temporary foreign workers. The government is getting rid of a rule that allowed them to pay foreign workers up to 15 per cent less than the prevailing wage for a classification of job. Employers did have to offer foreign workers the same wage as Canadian workers doing the same/ job in the same geographic region, but the 15 per cent rule drew a lot of controversy and confusion.

Kenney said the rule never meant that foreign workers were paid less than Canadian workers when they were doing the same job at the same workplace. He said less than five per cent of employers used the flexibility that was given to them.

"Given the confusion about this and given the fact that it has not been used we decided to end the pilot," he said.

Kenney said there will still be wage differences among employees depending on their experience level.

"In any workplace there's going to be a range of wages and salaries. If someone is a new hire, and starts at a starting wage, they are going to be paid less than the average. But we hope this will have the effect of raising overall wages and salaries," said Kenney.

Another change that will slow down the growing number of temporary foreign workers who have been coming to Canada in recent years is the suspension of the accelerated process for obtaining a LMO.

The LMO is also being changed to include new questions to ensure that no Canadian workers will be displaced by hiring foreign workers.

The government is also increasing its authority to suspend or revoke permits for employers or workers if it feels the program is being misused.

"This will give us the flexibility to respond to emerging situations and when necessary take immediate action against those who don't follow the rules," said Kenney.

A further change to the rules proposed Monday is that English and French are the only languages that can be stated as part of a job's requirements.

Kenney said his government has taken quick and decisive action to respond to concerns about the program and he acknowledged that some companies will be opposed to the changes.

"This will affect their businesses but we're sending them a message that I think Canadians want us to send: do everything you can to find Canadians first," he said.

The Canadian Chamber of Commerce immediately reacted to the changes by saying they will particularly hurt small businesses.

"While they would much rather employ Canadians, or permanent immigrants, these businesses often have no choice but to look to temporary foreign workers to take jobs that would otherwise go unfilled," the chamber's president, Perrin Beatty, wrote on its website.

There could be more changes to come. The government plans to do cross-country consultations on the program and it says it will closely monitor the effects of the measures announced Monday.

Some labour economists have been calling for a review of the program to determine if it is adequately addressing labour shortages or whether it is undermining wages and job opportunities in Canada.

Erin Weir, a labour economist with the United Steel Workers Union said in an interview earlier this month that some companies go through the motions of pretending to hire Canadians in order to get a positive labour market opinion.

The Alberta Federation of Labour said Monday that the program is being abused and employers are using it as a first choice instead of a last resort.

"Nowhere in the country is the situation more serious than in Alberta where clearly the temporary foreign worker program is being used to displace Canadians and to set off a race to the bottom in terms of wages and conditions," said Gil McGown, the group's president.

McGowan said at a news conference on Parliament Hill that the program is driving down wages and "giving employers an excuse to abdicate their responsibility to train the next generation of Canadians."

McGowan said his group is not reassured by the initiatives being announced Monday and that the government is just trying to give the appearance that it is doing something to respond to public opinion.

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Re: Foreign worker program will get new rules and higher fees ?

Will these proposed changes will also have an impact on existing WP extension applications?
 
Re: Foreign worker program will get new rules and higher fees ?

A further change to the rules proposed Monday is that English and French are the only languages that can be stated as part of a job's requirements.

I dislike this part. If you're trying to hire a caregiver for an elderly Russian man who only speaks Russian...... well, I think I made my point. It would be better if you had to put at least one official language and others if needed....
 
This is the problem when laws/rules are implemented in knee-jerk fashion. Really, what is $150 to a multi-billion dollar corporation? Or companies who hire on average less than 10 foreign workers a year? How is increasing the cost of the permit any deterrent to an employer? The worker pays this most of the time anyway.

@amikety, English and/or French can be requirements and Russian listed as an asset. Or do the new rules prohibit this too? They are going to revisit these rules as they start noticing hick-ups.
 
Just came back from the CBC site, it must be cathartic for so many to spew their venom about foreign workers.

Funny how it seems everyone's missing the fact that the "foreign workers" displacing RBC staff were not hired by RBC. RBC hired a (foreign) company (iGATE Corp.) to outsource some business functions. And I don't see how any of the discussed changes will affect that practice, since the intracompany transfer looks to remain exempt from the LMO.
 
jes_ON said:
Just came back from the CBC site, it must be cathartic for so many to spew their venom about foreign workers.

Funny how it seems everyone's missing the fact that the "foreign workers" displacing RBC staff were not hired by RBC. RBC hired a (foreign) company (iGATE Corp.) to outsource some business functions. And I don't see how any of the discussed changes will affect that practice, since the intracompany transfer looks to remain exempt from the LMO.

It's lip service to make politicans look good. An excuse to raise fees and pretend like they're addressing an issue.
 
amikety said:
It's lip service to make politicans look good. An excuse to raise fees and pretend like they're addressing an issue.

Alas, judging by reader comments, it appears to be working.
 
Re: Foreign worker program will get new rules and higher fees ?

sara007 said:
Will these proposed changes will also have an impact on existing WP extension applications?

Once the rules are in place - yes, these changes will have an impact on existing WP extensions.
 
jes_ON said:
Just came back from the CBC site, it must be cathartic for so many to spew their venom about foreign workers.

Funny how it seems everyone's missing the fact that the "foreign workers" displacing RBC staff were not hired by RBC. RBC hired a (foreign) company (iGATE Corp.) to outsource some business functions. And I don't see how any of the discussed changes will affect that practice, since the intracompany transfer looks to remain exempt from the LMO.

From my perspective, what was wrong in the RBC case is that the foreign workers were brought into Canada for training using the TFW program. These workers were issued visas specifically reserved for those jobs where skilled Canadians were not available; however, in this instance, the TFW were actually replacing actual Canadians who were already in those jobs. This was a clear abuse of the system and will hopefully be stopped under the new rules. Had the workers just stayed in India, then if could have been considered simple outsourcing but obviously this did not happen.

I also think another factor that has angered many of the comment posters is the jobs that foreign workers are being recruited for. For example, you can not argue that a foreign worker is required to work at Tim Horton's or some other fast food restaurant because Canadian residents do not have the skills to perform these jobs. That's ridiculous. Hopefully the Government starts taking a much closer look at the actual jobs and requirements before issuing LMO's and visas under the new system.
 
SenoritaBella said:
This is the problem when laws/rules are implemented in knee-jerk fashion. Really, what is $150 to a multi-billion dollar corporation? Or companies who hire on average less than 10 foreign workers a year? How is increasing the cost of the permit any deterrent to an employer? The worker pays this most of the time anyway.

@ amikety, English and/or French can be requirements and Russian listed as an asset. Or do the new rules prohibit this too? They are going to revisit these rules as they start noticing hick-ups.

True, it may not be much to RBC. But think about a single fast food franchise owner. If they suddenly have to (1) pay $150 per foreign worker; and (2) pay market wages, suddenly it doesn't make much financial sense to hire from outside the country.
 
torontosm said:
True, it may not be much to RBC. But think about a single fast food franchise owner. If they suddenly have to (1) pay $150 per foreign worker; and (2) pay market wages, suddenly it doesn't make much financial sense to hire from outside the country.

This is not a problem with a work permit process but a problem with a LMO process/requirements. If the government want to re-target the TFW program to address just the "acute labor shortages" as they say they should have made LMO obligatory for ALL occupations. Otherwise, you cannot call an employer trying to reduce his business expenses as one "abusing the system", he just used the system as it was intended.
 
sashali78 said:
This is not a problem with a work permit process but a problem with a LMO process/requirements. If the government want to re-target the TFW program to address just the "acute labor shortages" as they say they should have made LMO obligatory for ALL occupations. Otherwise, you cannot call an employer trying to reduce his business expenses as one "abusing the system", he just used the system as it was intended.

Agreed, such an employer is definitely operating within the law and is using the system to his/her advantage. However, I think it is a loophole that has to be shut so that the TFW program is used for what it was originally intended for. I'm curious to see how these changes are implemented.
 
I believe the background of this rules are from inner company transfer. And because a company from India transfer their employees to Canada and work here who are presumably disqualified by Canadian trainers. Especially on the high tech field such as IT. Which eventually lead to the change of rules.

So it shouldn't matter for other caregivers or people who work in cafe because those instances are different IMO.
 
gong0704 said:
I believe the background of this rules are from inner company transfer. And because a company from India transfer their employees to Canada and work here who are presumably disqualified by Canadian trainers. Especially on the high tech field such as IT. Which eventually lead to the change of rules.

So it shouldn't matter for other caregivers or people who work in cafe because those instances are different IMO.

I think it's the opposite.

Multi nationals have the cash and have the skills - they pay there way.

The issue at hand, I believe, is that lots of employers are using the system to bring in foreign workers because they can pay them less and potentially don't need to invest in training to find Canadians to do the work.

While their may be an emphasis on ICT, the problem is much bigger than this alone.