Expired PR card

[drroshanortho]

Greetings

My parents had applied for PR status when I was in university in India, following which we did our landing in 2009. I got my PR card and due to obligations, I was unable to go back. I believe my PR card expired in 2015. If you could help me answer a few questions.

1. can I renew my PR card.
2. If I want to visit canada this year, as my brother has got canadian citizenship. Do I need to renounce my PR status and apply for a visitor visa.
3. If I renounce my PR, Is it difficult to get PR again in the future.

Regards

Roshan

 

[rajkamalmohanram]

Greetings

My parents had applied for PR status when I was in university in India, following which we did our landing in 2009. I got my PR card and due to obligations, I was unable to go back. I believe my PR card expired in 2015. If you could help me answer a few questions.

To be eligible to renew your PR status, you must have lived in Canada for at least 2 years out of any 5 year period. If you haven't met this obligation, you might not be able to renew your PR status.

Fact 1 : You do not lose your PR status because your PR card expired.
Fact 2: You cannot lose your PR status automatically. Unless you are determined by a competent authority and deemed ineligible to re-new or continue as a PR in Canada, you are presumed to have PR status (even though you know you have lost your PR privilege.)

Based on the information above, I am answering your questions.


1. can I renew my PR card.

You can apply but it is extremely likely that your application will be rejected because you have not met your residency obligation.

2. If I want to visit canada this year, as my brother has got canadian citizenship. Do I need to renounce my PR status and apply for a visitor visa.

It is better to renounce and go there on a visitor visa; This can save you hell a lot of trouble. If you renounce your PR status yourself, you do not have to wait for the bureaucrats to waste your time and then decide that you are not eligible for renewing your PR status (A fact that you already know).

3. If I renounce my PR, Is it difficult to get PR again in the future.

I am not sure about this but IMO, I don't think this would pose a significant problem. If you are eligible now or in the future, I do not see why you cannot apply and become a PR again.

Regards

Roshan

 

[Leon]

You can generally not apply to renew your PR card from outside Canada so the proper procedure for you being outside Canada with an expired card and being Indian, therefore not visa exempt, would be to apply for a PR travel document. If you have any humanitarian grounds as to why you could not meet the RO (residency obligation) then you can list them on your application. If you don't have any such grounds or they are not considered good enough, your travel document will be denied and you will lose your PR status. You can then apply for a visit visa.

If your PR travel document is granted based on humanitarian grounds, you can use it to return to Canada and apply to renew your PR card. You should however stay for 2 years straight afterwards in order to meet the RO because just because you got a travel document excusing you not meeting the RO in the past does not excuse you for the future. If you apply to renew your card and then leave Canada again and a year later want to return, you can still get reported for not meeting the RO.

If you know that you don't have a chance to get a travel document, you can renounce your PR status and apply for a visit visa directly instead.

If you know that you don't have a chance to get a travel document but you want to try to keep your PR status at any cost, you can try getting a visa for the US and travel to Canada by land showing your expired PR card on entry. You will be asked about meeting the RO and you will probably get reported for not meeting it in which case you will most likely lose your PR but if you get lucky with the IO, then maybe they don't report you in which case you can stay in Canada for 2 years straight and your PR will again be in good standing.

Having lost your PR due to not meeting the RO is not considered a bad thing and would not hurt your chances of applying for PR again in the future.

 

[drroshanortho]

Hi
rajkamalmohanram
Leon

Thank you guys for the excellent replies. very informative and to the point. keep up the good work. I have decided to renounce the card and get a visa to go to canada. If you could also guide me regarding

1. I am an orthopaedic surgeon by profession- how do I find out if there is any job availability or entry through area of need ( or a similar system).
2. How do I go about renouncing my visa - Can i visit the embassy and do it.
3. what is the pathway to get a pr through investment in Canada.

Regards

Roshan

Roshan

 

[drroshanortho]

Thank you

If you could please help with a few more questions.

 

[drroshanortho]

You can generally not apply to renew your PR card from outside Canada so the proper procedure for you being outside Canada with an expired card and being Indian, therefore not visa exempt, would be to apply for a PR travel document. If you have any humanitarian grounds as to why you could not meet the RO (residency obligation) then you can list them on your application. If you don't have any such grounds or they are not considered good enough, your travel document will be denied and you will lose your PR status. You can then apply for a visit visa.

If your PR travel document is granted based on humanitarian grounds, you can use it to return to Canada and apply to renew your PR card. You should however stay for 2 years straight afterwards in order to meet the RO because just because you got a travel document excusing you not meeting the RO in the past does not excuse you for the future. If you apply to renew your card and then leave Canada again and a year later want to return, you can still get reported for not meeting the RO.

If you know that you don't have a chance to get a travel document, you can renounce your PR status and apply for a visit visa directly instead.

If you know that you don't have a chance to get a travel document but you want to try to keep your PR status at any cost, you can try getting a visa for the US and travel to Canada by land showing your expired PR card on entry. You will be asked about meeting the RO and you will probably get reported for not meeting it in which case you will most likely lose your PR but if you get lucky with the IO, then maybe they don't report you in which case you can stay in Canada for 2 years straight and your PR will again be in good standing.

Having lost your PR due to not meeting the RO is not considered a bad thing and would not hurt your chances of applying for PR again in the future.

Thank you for the information, could you please help with a few more questions that I posted.

 

[scylla]

How much money do you have available to invest in Canada and what is your overall net worth? This will determine if you are even in the right ballpark to obtain PR through investing in Canada.

You'll need to be recertified in order to work as a doctor in Canada. This process typically takes a few years. So I don't think anyone is going to offer you a job in Canada until you have PR and you have completed the recertification process.

If you have at least one year of full time paid work experience, you can try applying under a program like Express Entry without having a job offer in Canada.

 

[Leon]

Hi
rajkamalmohanram
Leon

Thank you guys for the excellent replies. very informative and to the point. keep up the good work. I have decided to renounce the card and get a visa to go to canada. If you could also guide me regarding

1. I am an orthopaedic surgeon by profession- how do I find out if there is any job availability or entry through area of need ( or a similar system).
2. How do I go about renouncing my visa - Can i visit the embassy and do it.
3. what is the pathway to get a pr through investment in Canada.

Regards

Roshan

1. I have heard that it is hard for foreign educated doctors to get certified in Canada. Some doctors opt to get jobs in hospital management or other related jobs where they are not practicing as doctors and not required to get licensed. Others opt to get licensed as nurses because it's easier and work as nurses while they work on their doctor certification. I do not know if there is a shortage of orthopedic surgeons but there probably is because there are mostly long waiting lists to see a specialist in Canada. Many Canadian doctors end up going to the US because the money is better.

2. You can find the form and instructions here: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/voluntarily-renounce.asp

3. You can find all the immigration programs here: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/apply.asp Have you checked if you qualify under express entry? Quebec skilled worker is another option but you'd have to settle in Quebec, at least initially. Provincial nominee programs also tend to have investor classes, at least some of them and their requirements for funds and investment are not as high as the federal requirements for investors.

 

[drroshanortho]

Thank you for the information leon.