Effective date of Bill C24

[screech339]

Nobody will deny a citizenship if the applicant has already fulfilled the physical days requirement before the submission of the application.

That is the practical idea of this clause... the minister emphasize that this intention is only for the period before the application is send to CIC for processing, just to make sure that the applicants have been here physically enough time before the submission of their application.

They will not deny citizenship just because the applicant left the country short after the application is submitted.

You may want to re-read the "intend to reside" clause. It does apply to the period of submitting application to the time of oath. So it forces the applicant to actually stay or resides in Canada during the canadian citizenship process until they say their oath. Once they get their citizenship, they are free to leave Canada.

They can deny the applicant from getting citizenship if they are not in Canada residing during the citizenship application process. It is no difference from denying PR status to applicants who are found to be not residing in Canada during their inland PR processing.

They are reapply again once they are back in Canada and residing and meeting the 1460 days qualification.

 

[MUFC]

With all due respect, It's not the lack of understanding of the bill, its about trust. If somebody can please answer the questions below:

Q) What is the recourse or where can a person appeal who is impacted by the intent to reside clause years after becoming a citizen?

Q) Written law is open to interpretations other than ministers interpretation. How can we be sure that all the CIC staff, judges will apply ministers interpretation? (Written law takes precedence over any other speech to the house or senate)

Q)What would stop the minister from backtracking on his words and simply say I lied to get this through, now deal with it?

Please answer above questions and clarify doubts. Many thanks!

It looks like that all these clauses are just copy pasted from let say the English law.
I really don't see how on earth these can be used against a person. They got absolutely no practical implementation.
These clauses are placed there in order to give a good and complete outlook of the Bill. Nothing more than that...

Have you ever heard a case where an English citizen lost his citizenship just because he is living abroad?
or
Somebody who got his citizenship denied just based on the fact that he left the country after the submission on the application?

 

[MUFC]

You may want to re-read the "intend to reside" clause. It does apply to the period of submitting application to the time of oath. So it forces the applicant to actually stay or resides in Canada during the canadian citizenship process until they say their oath. Once they get their citizenship, they are free to leave Canada.

Yeah right, just like when a Canadian is required to reside in Canada if granted citizenship.

All this has no practical implementation in any way.

 

[screech339]

It looks like that all these clauses are just copy pasted from let say the English law.
I really don't see how on earth these can be used against a person. They got absolutely no practical implementation.
These clauses are placed there in order to give a good and complete outlook of the Bill. Nothing more than that...

Have you ever heard a case where an English citizen lost his citizenship just because he is living abroad?
or
Somebody who got his citizenship denied just based on the fact that he left the country after the submission on the application?

Are you referring to the period whereby the applicant is absence from Canada during the application process or leaving Canada after acquiring citizenship. These are clearly two difference scenarios.

 

[MUFC]

I am talking about both scenarios. Nobody will be denied just because of the fact that he will live abroad when the application is in process.

But he will be denied if he apply with short days of physical presence before the submission of the application.

 

[screech339]

I am talking about both scenarios. Nobody will be denied just because of the fact that he will live abroad when the application is in process.

But he will be denied if he apply with short days of physical presence before the submission of the application.

CIC can deny the applicant if they found that the applicant is not residing in Canada during the citizenship process. They can deem the applicant's application as void as the applicant violated the "intend to reside" clause during the application process.

 

[screech339]

Don't you think it is rather unfair for an applicant to leave Canada after submitting the canadian citizenship application in the mail and then wait for citizenship test and oaths while waiting outside Canada up to 3 years (maintaining only the PR RO requirements). That action clearly shows that the applicant is only interested in getting citizenship. It reeks of Canadian of Convenient.

Meanwhile those who applied inland PR spousal sponsorship have to remain in Canada during the entire process. Rather unfair don't you think.

 

[MUFC]

CIC can deny the applicant if they found that the applicant is not residing in Canada during the citizenship process. They can deem the applicant's application as void as the applicant violated the "intend to reside" clause during the application process.

Here they are talking about that presumably the applicant will not be able to attend the test of the ceremony or he will not be able to provide some new documents on time.

This has nothing to do as if the applicant is abroad and meanwhile he can attend or provide more documents on time.

 

[screech339]

Here they are talking about that presumably the applicant will not be able to attend the test of the ceremony or he will not be able to provide some new documents on time.

This has nothing to do as if the applicant is abroad and meanwhile he can attend or provide more documents on time.

What part of the physical presence in Canada do you not understand in meeting the qualification. By leaving Canada after submitting application is a slap in the face in the intention of qualifying physical presence for canadian citizenship in the first place.

 

[screech339]

This is no difference in proving to meet LICO requirements during the entire PGP sponsorship until parents/grandparents landing as PR. The 3 years of LICO alone is not enough, you must continue to prove you can meet lico requirements in future years during the entire time of parents' Pr processing.

The same concept applies to Canadian citizenship application process. You must maintain your physical presence in Canada during the entire Canadian citizenship process. The "intend to reside" clause forces this on the applicant to maintain the spirit of maintaining physical presence during the process until oath.

 

[MUFC]

What part of the physical presence in Canada do you not understand in meeting the qualification. By leaving Canada after submitting application is a slap in the face in the intention of qualifying physical presence for canadian citizenship in the first place.

The applicant is done with the citizenship requirements once he meets the physical days before he submit his application.

This clause after that is more moral, and it will not have any negative impact of the application. They are just keen to make sure that the applicant has enough days here before he apply.

 

[PMM]

Hi

The applicant is done with the citizenship requirements once he meets the physical days before he submit his application.

This clause after that is more moral, and it will not have any negative impact of the application. They are just keen to make sure that the applicant has enough days here before he apply.

The "intent to remain" clause will probably catch those who apply for citizenship and immediately return to their home country and only return for test and oath.

 

[torontosm]

The applicant is done with the citizenship requirements once he meets the physical days before he submit his application.

Not under the new law. The applicant is done with citizenship when he takes the oath, and not before.

 

[screech339]

Hi


The "intent to remain" clause will probably catch those who apply for citizenship and immediately return to their home country and only return for test and oath.

Thank you PMM for trying to illustrate the purpose of the "intend to reside" clause to MUFC.

 

[MUFC]

Hi


The "intent to remain" clause will probably catch those who apply for citizenship and immediately return to their home country and only return for test and oath.

The primary idea of that clause is more like an additional ingredient to reminds the PRs that they have to be physically here before they apply.

The minister said that couple of times during the clarification, that it is about the period before the submission.

There is no case in the western world civilization that the applicant will be denied just because he is living abroad while the application is pending.