DEPRESSION SETTING IN - HELP - INDIAN - SENIORS - HELPPPPP!!!

[ht711]

Hehe...illegal....I was for few months till I came back to Canada and got the visa to come back to US.
There are about 400,000 illegal indians in US. More and more keep coming everyday...
It a multimillion dollar business for getting people from India to US.
My friend paid $60K to get his wife to US....now they own a gas station...
Most of the people,from India come to US to make money and don't necessarily want to be
Part of the culture, they keep themselves away from integrating with locals ....probably it's trust issues...
There is a wave of immigrants which come and most educated people have stopped going to Western countries...due to lack of jobs or hard visa issues....India is the place to be for next 20-30 years and will keep growing....The quality of immigrant which people are coming in US has sunken to the lowest point..and will keep sinking.....
I live in the US because I love the US, I love the way it respects women, gay population, minorities and there are bunch of bozos to keep denouncing those rights to people...By far Americans are good people.....and these politicians are trying to mess with a wonderful nation......

Hi! Aashay...gr8 interesting posts from your side...I am feeling positive after reading your posts....you are located where in Canada.

 

[david1697]

aashay, are you sure you ever traveled to US?
It seems you are describing other immigrants, or immigrants from other countries when referring to Indian immigrants in US.
The only "issue" Indian immigrants I ever heard complaining of in US is the quota on PR visas.
US has limits on how many people from any single nation can immigrate to US. Due to extremely high rate of
Indians being sponsored for PR (via jobs) they have to wait for years before they can adjust status.
Even then they are not illegally in US, they are legal temp workers authorized to stay until their visa expires.
But many leave, because they want PR and career growth.

 

[jazibkg]

aashay, are you sure you ever traveled to US?
It seems you are describing other immigrants, or immigrants from other countries when referring to Indian immigrants in US.
The only "issue" Indian immigrants I ever heard complaining of in US is the quota on PR visas.
US has limits on how many people from any single nation can immigrate to US. Due to extremely high rate of
Indians being sponsored for PR (via jobs) they have to wait for years before they can adjust status.
Even then they are not illegally in US, they are legal temp workers authorized to stay until their visa expires.
But many leave, because they want PR and career growth.

I went to Seattle for a weekend and met a few indian professionals, mostly working in companies like Amazon or Microsoft.

Most of the indian illegal immigrants ('faujis') end up in the UK. Watch this news report from RT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUs9gIaWD04 or Watch this mini-documentary by the BBC for more information: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBlDz74wnTM to get a picture. I wonder if there are any such parallels in the US too or do they usually have it better over there?

However, with any given nation of such a large population, there's bound to be a few illegals here and there. Plus, what I've heard its relatively easy to live illegaly in the US, as US employers even hire illegal workers without background checks, and bogus documents are easy to forge. This is what I've heard americans tell me. However, my perception of an indian in the US is a 20-somethings guy working at a software firm on the west coast...

I wonder if any city in the US has similar issues?

 

[david1697]

I can't tell what the condition of Indian Immigrants out of US is, and frankly I am not curious either.
But I can tell in US they are doing very well.
You may have visited WA and met lots of very young Indians in IT field.
Where I am currently, I see all Indians are either licensed doctors in medical field or, at very least, CEO's or high executives in IT sector companies.
These are not 20 something aspiring youth who just arrived from India, it's a well established and very large community that made its' bones in early/mid 1990's.

I won't bet my head that there no illegal Indians in US, of course chances are some are, but throughout all the time I have lived in US I have yet to meet illegal Indians. If there are any, they must be few.

 

[aashay12]

Yes my friend I live in chicago for past 12 years...
I have seen the population grow a lot.....and growing faster and faster....
A lot of people come, here and never leave like me.....never been to india in 12 years....
never missed it and will never ever miss it.....
Indian immigrants nightmare for green card is unthinkable...the priority dates are backed up
That it will take 10-15 years to get a green card.....
Even with a approved green card petition, it might be little faster due to changes by obama
But no one knows when people will get their green cards....and it sucks....
A lot of people are struggling because they are not willing to take a risk to go back to india...
Nor they can change jobs quickly....
US has become a curse for indians....than a blessing....

 

[david1697]

Backlogs are due to disproportionately high number of Indians sponsored for PR, not due to Indian PR applicants being treated any worse than any other immigrant category. If there were as many Canadians being sponsored for PR then it would be the same story.

Still, those people who don't get PR are legally staying in US. They are on temp work visas.
And, until recently, many were moving to Canada under FSW program.

The latest trend among IT temps is moving back to India. Because a lot of IT firms went overseas anyway, with big chunk in India itself, it pays for many Indians with US experience to move back and grow their career in India.
And these are only IT folk who came here after the tech boom.
Those who came earlier are not only US Citizens, but also hold high executive positions, owners or CEO's of established IT firms by now.

In general the picture you paint is somewhat inaccurate and sounds more like inferences of someone who had never been in US than of someone who actually lives here and knows what is going on. That's why I wondered if you ever traveled to US.

As to risks of moving, many are mitigated because Indians are communal people. Unlike someone like myself, who only meddles with Americans , Indian will work with American but spend a lot of time in his community, preserving all the ties and cultural traditions that come with it. So popularized in modern times concept of networking is something Indian is very well familiar with. Indian typically doesn't look for a job, he gets referred and hired through personal connections , very often from within his or her own community.

 

[aashay12]

haha...sounds funny when u say that if I ever have been to US....
Anyways....I don't need to prove u or anyone if I ever been to US....
Ur r right, indians love to slave for someone for years......till they get green card....
The backlog for eb2 is about 9 years....eb3 is 10 years....for india...
But this is nonsense......a lot of people got tired and left......
And who have been stuck.....god bless them......

 

[david1697]

I genuinely wondered if you ever visited US. Because Indians are really doing great here.

Backlogs are there, sure, but they are ironically due to how well Indians do: no other nation in the world has so many people being sponsored for PR as skilled workers. US always had quotas on number of immigrants (with exception of imemdiate relatives of US Citizens), so it's no wonder once quota is reached backlog generates. But again, ironically, the very fact of the backlog is due to how well Indians do, because you have to jump many hoops and satisfy many requirements before you can be sponsored as skilled PR. Evidently, great many Indians do.

Also, "slaving" at an IT firm with fixed salary can hardly be compared to slaving as a naked dancer at a gentlmens' club or working in a sweatshop to pay off smugglers. There is global human trafficking and slave labor is part of it, and many suffer greatly from it, but an Indian who works in an IT firm on a temporary work visa, with his passport in his pocket and freedom to leave country whenever he wishes can hardly be categorized as 'slave laborer".

asshay, tell the truth: have you ever been to US?

 

[ht711]

Hey David , Now you correct the spelling buddy, It's Aashay if i am not mistaken. Yea Indians are doing great in USA because they get immigration or work visa in their respected field of work or you can say, US Govt only issues work permits/immigration visa when Indians have Job offer.

Hope you are not jealous of so many Indians successful in USA but sadly it's vice versa in Canada but anyway part of life.

Keep it up Aashay and thanks for your supportive response....

 

[david1697]

ht771,

First, my apologies for misspelling the nickname of user aashay. By all means it was not intentional.

Jealousy is a foreign quality to me, because it's senseless. As long as planet Earth exists some people will do better than others (and if not, then all will come to halt, motivation will die and no one will do anything. Because, why bother if all get the same, no matter what?).
With this being said, out of 5 billion people a lot will always do better than me. Why waste time being jealous , instead of caring for my own lot? As long as Indians don't get preferential treatment because they are Indians and as long as they are as competent or even better than the next guy who applies for the same job, then what is the problem?

But user aashay is painting an inaccurate picture when he states how hard Indians have it in US. I don't know about other countries, so I can't say what the case is in UK or Canada, but I know for sure that Indians are not among those who suffer as immigrants in US

 

[ht711]

ht771,

First, my apologies for misspelling the nickname of user aashay. By all means it was not intentional.

Jealousy is a foreign quality to me, because it's senseless. As long as planet Earth exists some people will do better than others (and if not, then all will come to halt, motivation will die and no one will do anything. Because, why bother if all get the same, no matter what?).
With this being said, out of 5 billion people a lot will always do better than me. Why waste time being jealous , instead of caring for my own lot? As long as Indians don't get preferential treatment because they are Indians and as long as they are as competent or even better than the next guy who applies for the same job, then what is the problem?

But user aashay painting an inaccurate picture when he states how hard Indians have it in US. I don't know about other countries, so I can't say what the case is in UK or Canada, but I know for sure that Indians are not among those who suffer as immigrants in US

Hi! David, buddy i am not taking sides but wanna say one thing that Aashay is not portraying wrong picture when he says it's hard for Indians, because most of Indians come to USA on H1B visa and because of delay in getting immigration/green card due to backlogs then they have to continue the job under same employer until he/she gets the Immigrant visa. They can't change jobs, they cant apply for highly paid jobs as their employer has sponsored them for immigrant visa on a particular post/salary and if anything changes then they have to again apply for the immigrant visa and then the cycle (waiting period) starts from zero again in an already backlogged system, so it's kind of frustrating, people are waiting for more than 10 years for immigrant visas and H1B visas are issued for a duration, once H1b get expired or if they don't get any extension from employer, lets say working for 10 years and the employer says that he is not giving extension to him or embassy/visa office denied the extension for any technicality or for any reason so from that moment, the employee get out of status or you can say Illegal in US of A and if one would get immigrant visa at least he/she can apply for higher positions/salary easily. As long as an employee is on H1B visa his/her spouse cant work, he/she has to apply for work permit which is another difficult part to get as same visa requirements every H1B visa holder's spouse is not S/w engr or doc or Nobel prize winner who will get the visa quickly and it's hard, so people are applying for Canadian immigration rather than returning to India....But it's a concern when one is out of India for 10 years and still on work permit, so it's kind of sword hanging on the neck and nobody knows which way it will fell.....Frustrating....

 

[david1697]

ht771, I am aware of the backlog issue for Indians in US and I have addressed it in my earlier replies.
As I stated, ironically, the very fact of Indians doing so well is the cause of the backlog: it's evidently due to the fact that so many of them qualify for non-immigrant H visa and are sponsired for Green Cards in US. Their numbers are much greater than the quota allowed by US Government for immigration via EB based category. No other nation has so many temp workers being sponsored for PR at such a high rate.
So, this is sort of a blessing (lots of Indians qualifying for skilled jobs) that turned out sour (way too many PR sponsored apps , resulting in very long backlogs). But who do you blame for it? :-\


P.S. By the way , most of Indians I am aware of are not here on temp work visas, but are already US Citizens owning IT companies, practicing doctors, government executives (one is Governor of the State of Louisiana, other is US AG for one of the most important Districts in Nation, in New York), private firm attorneys and such. The specific category you refer to (10+ years waiting for a GC) are Indians who didn't make it into the first wave of IT specialists who came to US, but got into the ongoing/second/big wave of late 90's, when H1 non-immigrant visa numbers were doubled but EB based GC quotas weren't, and got stuck once the backlogs started to build up. These are less fortunate ones in comparison to other Indians, but still a lot better off as immigrants than , let's say, Mexicans or many other immigrants from still other parts of the world.

 

[ht711]

ht771, I am aware of the backlog issue for Indians in US and I have addressed it in my earlier replies.
As I stated, ironically, the very fact of Indians doing so well is the cause of the backlog: it's evidently due to the fact that so many of them qualify for non-immigrant H visa and are sponsired for Green Cards in US. Their numbers are much greater than the quota allowed by US Government for immigration via EB based category. No other nation has so many temp workers being sponsored for PR at such a high rate.
So, this is sort of a blessing (lots of Indians qualifying for skilled jobs) that turned out sour (way too many PR sponsored apps , resulting in very long backlogs). But who do you blame for it? :-\


P.S. By the way , most of Indians I am aware of are not here on temp work visas, but are already US Citizens owning IT companies, practicing doctors, government executives (one is Governor of the State of Louisiana, other is US AG for one of the most important Districts in Nation, in New York), private firm attorneys and such. The specific category you refer to (10+ years waiting for a GC) are Indians who didn't make it into the first wave of IT specialists who came to US, but got into the ongoing/second/big wave of late 90's, when H1 non-immigrant visa numbers were doubled but EB based GC quotas weren't, and got stuck once the backlogs started to build up. These are less fortunate ones in comparison to other Indians, but still a lot better off as immigrants than , let's say, Mexicans or many other immigrants from still other parts of the world.

David...Yea it's good Indians are getting IT jobs or getting hired by US employer because, they are up-to-the-mark according to knowledge, education and intelligence, else US companies won't hire them..I am not talking about who became citizens or who will become citizens....it's up to US Govt...They will do what they will feel right, like in late 90s when there was a Y2K problem that computers will shut if won't change to year 2000 and so on, at that time they increased the H1B Quota and now they changed so it's their wish. I was just answering about the frustration who are on H1B and waiting for too long, it can be corrected by the simple "rule change" but No that won't happen as US Administration wants a single bill on Immigration that too legal path for illegal immigratnts plus adding add-on in improvement in legal immigrant system and not separately. ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION in the form of BILL never happened till now so no-one thinking of improving legal immigration system...Why i am saying legal immigration system, because every year US Govt issues same numbers of immigrant visas to each country of the world lets say 140,000, in EB1, EB2, EB3 and so on (I could be wrong about 140k). So what happens, a country like Mauritius/Sri Lanka/Afghanistan also get the same amount of quota for EB1, EB2 or EB3 as much of India or China, lets say 100 EB3 visas for sri lanka and 100 visas for India. Sri Lanka is sending 10 Immigrants and India 2000 so all Sri Lankans get the Immigrant visa, i.e., 10 and 90 of them go to dustbin and 100 visas to Indians and 1900 people are waiting so backlog increase and US don't carry forward those unused visa numbers, even they allocated 100 visas for Sri Lanka, what if they have used those unused 90 visas available so at least US Govt. could give it to Indians, Chinese who are in waiting, why to waist those numbers/visas. So those who are on H1B are looking for options, best of luck to them for Canada as an option but US is right choice for them as i don't know what Canadians are looking for frankly, govt looking for Nurses/Doctors/Engineers but Employers are just looking for Canadians which they don't have.

 

[david1697]

But how fair it is to have so many PR's admitted from just one country when we have worldwide quotas equally divided among other Nations?

The Immigration Quota system we have in place is based on 1965 Kenendy reform bill, that was a revolutionary bill which changed the immigration into US by removing the restrictions based on Nationality.

The only problem I see is the double increase of temporary H1 visas and resulting impass for those who , while working on H visa, wait to become PR's.
But, H visas are temporary to begin with (although they allow double intention) , and the number of H visas can be increased 10 fold if needed, without corresponding increase of PR visas.

Is it right? I don't make the decision on it, but generally, if it was up to me, if I was a Senator or House rep voting on the floor, I would not vote for substantial increase of H visas without corresponding increase of PR quotas. And if PR quotas didn't increase, I would keep H levels same as they were.

 

[ht711]

But how fair it is to have so many PR's admitted from just one country when we have worldwide quotas equally divided among other Nations?

The Immigration Quota system we have in place is based on 1965 Kenendy reform bill, that was a revolutionary bill which changed the immigration into US by removing the restrictions based on Nationality.

The only problem I see is the double increase of temporary H1 visas and resulting impass for those who , while working on H visa, wait to become PR's.
But, H visas are temporary to begin with (although they allow double intention) , and the number of H visas can be increased 10 fold if needed, without corresponding increase of PR visas.

Is it right? I don't make the decision on it, but generally, if it was up to me, if I was a Senator or House rep voting on the floor, I would not vote for substantial increase of H visas without corresponding increase of PR quotas. And if PR quotas didn't increase, I would keep H levels same as they were.

It's not love or hate for one country or lets say it's nothing to do with so many from one country because here i am talking about Employment-based category and not family based so in EB categories, it make sense to give visas to those people you need. Lets go back to that old example where i said 10 visa issued to Sri Lanka out of 100 visas allocated to that country, it means US wants to give 100 visas to Sri Lanka but because Sri Lanka is not sending 100 as nobody from there eligible or they dont have anymore to send, so why to waste those numbers, 90 visas i mean. When US wants 140K in a year then at least give UNUSED VISAS visas to those guys who are in line waiting for it rather than throwing those unused 90 visas in bins and there are so many so many unused EB visas which they can use and reduce or abolish the backlog completely. Each US govt waste so many unused visas because they issue every country a set numbers of immigrant visa but every country in the world is not sending that many and those who are sending they are stuck in this administrative limbo...but people are used to this and hopeful that something will happen to this.