CRS of 413 for a Civil Engineer

[20india]

What are my chances of getting an ITA either directly or through PNP?

 

[vensak]

Directly you do not stand a chance. ITA did not go under 440 during this year and yes they do send out enough ITA.

When it comes to PNP you need to do more research there (different provinces have different PNP streams).

 

[20india]

Thank you..how do we choose the right NOC code when creating an EOI profile? Being civil engineers we work for a variety of profiles, like planning, procurement, etc. Selecting one NOC gets difficult then

 

[smilewinnipeg16]

Its not true that this year CRS won't go below 440.. Anything can happen, CRS can touch 300 also.. But its very unfair in Canadian Immigration they not giving chance to those have low CRS...I have seen many immigrants here who are jobless and Canadian employers don't find them suitable for what they need.. Some employers gave suggestion to hire immigrants with low scoring can be benificial so let see what happens?

Choosing NOC is very important. If you choose wrong NOC and u get ITA and after it you will get so difficulties to change NOC..Its affects your credibility.

 

[vensak]

Its not true that this year CRS won't go below 440.. Anything can happen, CRS can touch 300 also.. But its very unfair in Canadian Immigration they not giving chance to those have low CRS...I have seen many immigrants here who are jobless and Canadian employers don't find them suitable for what they need.. Some employers gave suggestion to hire immigrants with low scoring can be benificial so let see what happens?

Choosing NOC is very important. If you choose wrong NOC and u get ITA and after it you will get so difficulties to change NOC..Its affects your credibility.

Ok that covered pretty much the possibility to be hit by lightning during a sunny day.

Competition is never fair, competition is when people fight for something limited. There will be always winners and losers.
Usually dreamers waiting for that lightning to happen do not end up on the winning side.

I have seen repeated comments from Canadians not wanting certain type of immigrants - those with weak language, too old or those without education. Why? because they already have plenty people like that here.

There might be several reasons why there is a difference between supply (employees) and demand (employers). One of the reason is that employers do not want to pay enough for the job to be attractive enough. (which is one of the very important factors).

 

[smilewinnipeg16]

What I see is and what I believe people who immigration to Canada under FSW. Once they arrive and start living most of them are not working in their required fields, somebody is driving truck, somebody is waiter, someone working a caregiver etc.. Their education matters only till immigration process and after it nobody cares what you do and really they don't care to do work in their field for which they get immigration.

 

[vensak]

What I see is and what I believe people who immigration to Canada under FSW. Once they arrive and start living most of them are not working in their required fields, somebody is driving truck, somebody is waiter, someone working a caregiver etc.. Their education matters only till immigration process and after it nobody cares what you do and really they don't care to do work in their field for which they get immigration.

Well, this for a bit longer discussion.
Language part is clear - without being able to communicate you have a hard time to become part of the new society. So that one I hope is needless to discuss.

Now the age part is more about thinking how much revenue can Canada potentially get from that person (over the years of working and paying taxes). You might argue that this is individual, but since it is impossible to assess it in advance as you have no idea who will apply and how will they end up doing in Canada, you use a mere statistic data. And what they say is that of course on average potential to pay taxes for younger people is higher than for older people. so if somebody over 35 wants to immigrate, he or she needs to have additional skills that will show a potential to get higher paid salary (French for example).
And of course while you want young people you do not want them too young so that you do not have to pay for their education. That is why those that are barely 18 do not have full points for their age.

And the most tricky education. Here a very long term goal is followed.
Canada as most of the industrial country is heading toward the future when lot of thing will be automated or online. So what it needs are people that are capable to properly understand and live in such society. It already has its good deal of Dufuses, so it is not very willing to import more.
Over the time more requirements on education (even if it is practical knowledge like in trades), do force human brain to excersize and adapt. And these days we know that human DNA is not stable but small mutations do happen over the time as we age, so that pressure to increase mental capacity will eventually lead to the next generation of smarter children.
You might claim what about refugees - well funny enough the way the system is setup if force people to think out of the box to arrive here. And yes they are very prompt to deny lot of visa requests. So same thing apply, mostly only the smartest ones are able to work with system.

EE itself is a type of game where you have several options how to beat your opponent and get your spot on "plane" to Canada. You can either be top of the top (Master or PHD that is under 30 and has a very good language knowledge). You can have plenty money (to pay for different consultants to find a way for you to immigrate). Or you can be smart and seek all options and adapt in order to get through (work on your IELTS, learn French, find a PNP program, or marry a Canadian).

Anyway all those conditions do only apply as a must for the main applicant. There is nor requirement or penalty for children and the points penalty for your spouse is rather mild (no penalty for now official work experience, very mild penalty for education and mild penalty for weak language skills).

So in Canada eyes they only try to get like 50% of people with post secondary education (which is not that much).

So coming back to this case. That person will not get through unless something will change. And that something is rarely point system or immigration system (if then it will be more for worse). So it means that his points or efforts needs to lead to that change (he shall either get more points and get a direct ITA or to find a suitable PNP or other way).

 

[smilewinnipeg16]

Are you already immigrated Canada? Vensak?

 

[vensak]

Are you already immigrated Canada? Vensak?

Yes

 

[smilewinnipeg16]

You are lucky man..I am still in race and No Hope...

 

[vensak]

You are lucky man..I am still in race and No Hope...

I had low points as well when I was trying (mainly because of my IELTS / TEF results).

At that time invitation was somewhere around 460+. There were no bonus points for French back then. So even If I would have maxed IELTS I would be somewhere around 415-420 at best. So for me it meant to search for a suitable PNP.
because of that French I could get through Ontario French stream.
Also in my case in theory I might have been able to hit a direct ITA (if ever I decided to focus on IELTS) during the short period of Spring / Summer 2017. However I just did not count with it and went for what was achievable for me at that time.
And given the current state of the matter that one will not repeat again (EE pool has now 2x so many applicants for example).

During the time when I was applying for PNP and later on for PR itself, I have seen people waiting for years without doing much with their score (one example was somebody who was an English native speaker and who could have gotten her ITA in 2015, but all it needed is to retake IELTS and hit that CBL 9 goal. So instead of that she was sitting for 2 years in EE waiting for the score to go down. And finally at the end of 2016 she took IELTS again a finally got her ITA).
One thing is for sure. Unless some big disaster will hit Canada, do not count for the competition to ease up.

 

[smilewinnipeg16]

My Score is too low 346 only. I applied for PNP already but already 4 months gone and no news.

On what basis they give PNP? Also is it possible if any employer can provide job offer by applying online. I believe chances are much less?

Giving IELTS again can be risky so I try avoid giving it. My NOC falls in Atlantic Pilot Program, but I don't have any job offer.

Can you please tell me if you have any information for Morden Exploratory Visit. Do this has success and how much? As its a risk of just coming Canada but don't assure nomination. I don't know what to do, expect Keep waiting. I hope GOD will hear me one day.

 

[vensak]

My Score is too low 346 only. I applied for PNP already but already 4 months gone and no news.

On what basis they give PNP? Also is it possible if any employer can provide job offer by applying online. I believe chances are much less?

Giving IELTS again can be risky so I try avoid giving it. My NOC falls in Atlantic Pilot Program, but I don't have any job offer.

Can you please tell me if you have any information for Morden Exploratory Visit. Do this has success and how much? As its a risk of just coming Canada but don't assure nomination. I don't know what to do, expect Keep waiting. I hope GOD will hear me one day.

There is nothing risky at all when it comes to IELTS. it is just costy if anything. If you do not know, you are not forced to show your latest IELTS results, but you need to show a valid IELTS results (less than 2 years old) and of course you cannot combine several of them just because you got better results for one part.

As for PNP it really depends. You need to distinguish between applying for PNP as such and sending an EOI to the province (expression of interest). If you apply for PNP (of course if you can apply), you usually pay some fees and they have to answer you sooner or later (either you will be given nomination or not).
If you send EOI, they do not have to answer you at all since EOI is a non binding act.
Some provinces require NOI to get first or a confirmation that your EOI was accepted. others have an online system that ever so often opens and closes so anybody that meets criteria can apply, but only those fastest ones will be accepted (that is why it closes so fast). And yet others do have provincial draws, where you create your account in their system and then wait if you will be noted that you can apply (that your score was high enough in that draw).
So you need to be a bit more specific there.

Atlantic program is job offer based, so without it you can forget about that one.

 

[smilewinnipeg16]

Ok. Thanks

 

[smilewinnipeg16]

Btw I applied to PEI as EOI. Do I get any reply or will never??