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brightredscream

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21-06-2013
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17-07-2013
My husband is American, I'm Canadian.
We got married April 21st, 2011...and he has been staying with me since August. Not working, just living with me.
Is this going to cause a problem for us to apply inland?

We had been told by a family member that he could live with me, since we are married, and apply inland.

I have read about things like - "overstaying a visit record"...what does that mean?
He has a valid passport (US issued)...

Now, I'm scared that we may have done the wrong thing...
Help!
 

Kedeisha

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He can stay here but you just have to extend his visitor record once he is in his 5th month
 

brightredscream

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Ottawa
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
24-12-2012
AOR Received.
17-01-2013
File Transfer...
17-01-2013
Med's Done....
29-11-2012
Interview........
Not required
Passport Req..
21-06-2013
VISA ISSUED...
17-07-2013
What is a visitor record?
How do we extend it?
 

Kedeisha

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How did he get here did u drive or fly in? when u come across the border and you mention you are staying for more than a day they give u a visitor record which is sometimes up to 6 mths (this was my experience witha friend when we picked her up from Buffalo) but normally USA residents can come into Canada for 6 mths at a time

To extend I believe u would complete an online application but I believe what I am referring to is for people who come on a visitor visa not a USA resident

Post your question in the Buffalo thread or Inland 2011 thread and there are few people that can offer better insight ;D

http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/thread-for-outland-buffalo-applicants-t41886.6420.html

or

http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/-t67267.0.html
 

brightredscream

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Stoney Creek, Ontario
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Ottawa
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
24-12-2012
AOR Received.
17-01-2013
File Transfer...
17-01-2013
Med's Done....
29-11-2012
Interview........
Not required
Passport Req..
21-06-2013
VISA ISSUED...
17-07-2013
He drove across, and they didn't give him anything?

I'm freaking out now that we will not be able to do our application from inland...
 

Kedeisha

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you can do your application inland but is there a reason why you are choosing inland as normally the initial stage of inland is about the same time as buffalo outland avg processing time which is 10-11 mths so keep in mind even if he lives with you here you do not have to choose inland you can choose outland as Buffalo can sometime issue you a visa within 5 mths some are more but there were a few quick processing through Buffalo
 

brightredscream

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Stoney Creek, Ontario
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Ottawa
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
24-12-2012
AOR Received.
17-01-2013
File Transfer...
17-01-2013
Med's Done....
29-11-2012
Interview........
Not required
Passport Req..
21-06-2013
VISA ISSUED...
17-07-2013
I thought that if he was living with me, we had to do inland?
 

scylla

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brightredscream said:
I thought that if he was living with me, we had to do inland?
Nope - you can still do outland.
 

brightredscream

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Sep 1, 2010
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Stoney Creek, Ontario
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Visa Office......
Ottawa
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
24-12-2012
AOR Received.
17-01-2013
File Transfer...
17-01-2013
Med's Done....
29-11-2012
Interview........
Not required
Passport Req..
21-06-2013
VISA ISSUED...
17-07-2013
Ok, so him living here won't make a difference on the outland application?
 

Kedeisha

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no its recommended to apply outland as its faster normally and you get to appeal and he can leave and return if he had an emergency back home and left and couldnt return on an inland application your application would be denied so if there is no pressing reason better apply outland
 

brightredscream

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Stoney Creek, Ontario
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Ottawa
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
24-12-2012
AOR Received.
17-01-2013
File Transfer...
17-01-2013
Med's Done....
29-11-2012
Interview........
Not required
Passport Req..
21-06-2013
VISA ISSUED...
17-07-2013
LOL
I am SO confused now....

??? :p
 

Kedeisha

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So you are in the situation that you want to sponsor your foreign spouse for permanent residency of Canada and don't know where to start. Here are some tips:

Married, common law or conjugal partners

First you need to pick an application class. There are three of them: married, common-law and conjugal. For all of them, you need to prove the genuineity of your relationship. For common-law, you need to prove that you have lived together for 12 months or longer. For conjugal, you need to prove that you have combined your affairs as much as possible but there are real immigration barriers or other barriers preventing you from living together or getting married. Conjugal is the hardest to prove. For example, if your partner could get a visit visa to come to Canada for 6 months and then apply for an extension to get the full year, even though they will not be allowed to work, that is not considered an immigration barrier. An immigration barrier is if your partner tries to get a visit visa to come to Canada and is repeatedly refused. Some people have had luck with the conjugal class but try to avoid it if possible.

Outland or inland?

Now you need to decide if to apply outland or inland. If your spouse is not in Canada and can not get a visa to go to Canada, you must apply outland. That means that you will send your application to Mississauga and they will approve you as a sponsor. The time that takes is usually 1-2 months to but current processing times can be seen here: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/times/canada/process-in.asp#sponsorship After that, the application is forwarded to your local visa office. If your spouse is residing in a country other than the country of their nationality, you can pick which of the two visa offices you want. Otherwise it will be processed in their country of nationality. You can see the processing times here: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/times/international/05-fc-spouses.asp

If your spouse is staying in Canada as a visitor or on some other visa, you can pick whether you want to apply outland or inland. Outland is generally faster and has appeal rights but a downside to outland is that if an interview is required, your spouse will have to travel to the visa office in the country where it's being processed. Inland has the downside that it's generally not advised that your spouse travels while you are waiting for your processing because it is a requirement of inland that they reside in Canada and if they are denied entry at the border for some reason, your application is gone. If an interview is required for inland, you may also have to wait a long time for it. The inland application would be sent to Vegreville and if all goes well, you would get a first stage approval, usually in 6 to 8 months. The current processing times can be seen here: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/times/canada/process-in.asp#perm_res Then the file is forwarded to your local CIC office where you live and they will contact you for a landing appointment. Getting the PR with inland usually takes 12-18 months. If an interview is required for inland, Vegreville will not give first stage approval but instead will forward the application to the local CIC office without it and you will have to wait for them to have time for your interview. In some cases that can take a year or two. If you do get the first stage approval, your spouse will usually be eligible for health care and an open work permit. It is actually a good idea when applying inland to send an application form for a visit visa extension as well as the open work permit to be given at first stage approval all in one package so it's tied together.

Which method to pick depends on your situation. If your spouses country of nationality has a long processing time or your spouse does not want to have to travel there for a possible interview, then inland is the way to go. For faster processing and freedom of travel during the processing time, outland would be better. You can find the application forms for inland at http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/spouse.asp and the application forms for outland at http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/fc.asp

Avoiding potential problems with your application

The most common reason for people to be called for an interview is that the visa officer has doubts about the relationship being genuine. It is up to you to send immigration some quality data, emails, chat logs, phone records, photos, letters and other material to prove to them that your relationship is the real thing. Other reasons you might have problems with is eligibility of the sponsor. The sponsor can not be on social assistance, can not be bankrupt and can not have a record of violent crimes or crimes against family members. If that is the case, better talk to a lawyer and get that cleared up before attempting to apply.

Dependent children

If your spouse has dependent children, they must be included in the PR application, even if they are not coming to Canada. They will need to have medicals as well to keep the option open to sponsor them later. The only way that immigration will accept the application without those medicals is if the children are no longer minors and refuse to have it or if the children are in the full custody of their other parent who refuses to make them available for medicals. In that case, your spouse needs to sign a statement stating that they know that they will never be able to sponsor these children to Canada in the future.

Dependent children are classified as single and either under 22 years of age or if they are older, they must have been full time students since before age 22 or dependent on their parent due to a disability or medical problem.

Refusals due to income and medicals

You will be asked to provide information about your income but you will not be denied to sponsor your spouse and dependent children because you do not make enough money. It is possible though that if you make absolutely no money at all that immigration may ask you how you plan to support yourselves.

Spouses and dependent children are also exempt from the clause about excessive demand on health care so you do not have to worry about them being refused for that reason.

Sponsoring your spouse while living in another country

If you are a Canadian citizen, you can sponsor your spouse without being in Canada but you do then have to prove that you are planning on moving to Canada when your spouse gets approved for permanent residency. Such proof can include having arranged jobs, being accepted to college, having arranged housing or letters from friends & relatives stating that they know of your plans and that you can stay with them while you look for housing etc.

If you are a PR, you must reside in Canada in order to sponsor your spouse. You can chance short vacations (remember that a Canadian vacation is generally no longer than 2 weeks) but if immigration finds out that you are not in Canada, you risk getting your application refused.











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brightredscream

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Sep 1, 2010
425
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123
Stoney Creek, Ontario
Category........
Visa Office......
Ottawa
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
24-12-2012
AOR Received.
17-01-2013
File Transfer...
17-01-2013
Med's Done....
29-11-2012
Interview........
Not required
Passport Req..
21-06-2013
VISA ISSUED...
17-07-2013
I think I'm just confused because I was under the understanding that if he was living here with me, we had to apply inland.
 

Maid_Marian

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May 19, 2011
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17-11-2011
VISA ISSUED...
13-12-2011
LANDED..........
30-12-2011
OK, let's break it down:

You can apply inland or outland, it's your choice. For me, being British, Outland is MUCH faster, so that's the option we chose. As Kedeisha says, for you, the difference isn't so great, however inland applications are not really permitted to travel outside the country, so your husband wouldn't be guaranteed re-entry to Canada if he went back to the US during the application process.

As for your husband's status as a visitor: if you apply inland, he will be granted an extension of his visitor record (you fill in a simple online form to get this, about 30 days before his current status expires - usually 6 months for US residents). Once you are approved as his sponsor, which is the first stage of the PR process, he'll be given a Canadian work permit. If you apply outland, he won't be given a work permit (as, strictly speaking this route is for people who don't live with their partners in Canada, but lots and lots of people - inc me! - apply this way and it's allowed) so he'll have to maintain his visitor status by filling in the same online form. Main difference is that, on the form, they ask what you'll be doing and how long you want to extend for. For inland apps, you simply put 'I'm living in Canada with my spouse while processing PR inland' and you'll get it. For outland apps, you're still a true 'visitor', so the office wants to know that you're intending to leave the country again, or they may reject your application. So, for mine, I asked for 6 months and said that we'd be travelling around the country (which we are!) and they gave me an extension.

You just need to weigh up your options in terms of how important travelling out of the country is and whether your husband would like to get a work permit sooner.

Hope that helps? I know it's so complicated!! xx