citizenship application RQ & withdrawal question

[blueshirt]

I have a question...

1. why do people who apply with more than 1095 days also get RQ. I have seen people with 1460 days getting RQ.

2. If you get RQ lot of people suggest withdraw the application and reply. I cannot understand what will change if we withdraw and reapply still there is no issue in residency completion dates. before one had 1460 days completed after a year he will again have 1460 +365 days = 1825

3. is citizenship given on other factors too other than residency obligation? lets say he or she has no criminal record. even cic checked background check at Sydney before transferring the file to local office. why still RQ is issued?

4. 90% of the case when applicant is not withdrawing the application he or she is replying the RQ with tons of proof then why CIC is getting burdened to read those pages.. when they receive huge pile of papers it is certain that it has some kind of proof or ties.. so why this is been requested as usually people response. only 10% who cannot response they just withdraw the application. Technically responding means case accepted but with delays...

 

[SenoritaBella]

1. Could be anything from frequent travel +/- unemployment, self-employment, etc during the relevant 4-year period. I don't know if they also issue RQ for quality assurance purposes.

2. Correct. Withdrawing and re-applying is likely to still bring about the RQ because whatever reason it was issued the first time has not been resolved yet even with a new application. So best to respond to the RQ with requested documents.

3. No, citizenship is given when you meet the requirements and the officer/Judge is satisfied of same. As for why RQ is still issued, see #1.

4. Because some people obtained citizenship without ever living in Canada(fraud), CIC decided to implement the RQ in the hopes that they can catch people who try to lie about their physical presence. See this case: http://article.wn.com/view/2014/04/15/Businessman_fined_70000_in_immigration_fraud_case_Government/

 

[blueshirt]

thanks for a very detailed reply makes sense.
just one clarification on question1.. so if you still exceed 1095 days its better to apply immediately. if we wait and apply we may get frequent travels.. let say a person completed 3 years 6 month and applied after that and he has 4 months of exits in and out many time out of 3 years 6 month. he still has 3 years and 2 months left after subtracting the 4 month trip he will still get RQ as he travelled... so one has better chance to not get RQ if he applies exactly at 1095 days without travel so nothing to report but still he has to reply 4 years back not just 3 years.

 

[SenoritaBella]

That's not what I mean. There are certain risk factors that can increase the chances of getting the RQ which I listed in point #1. Example: if you qualify on Feb 4, 2014 and apply the next day, then the 4-year relevant period is Feb 4, 2010 - Feb 4, 2014.

If you travelled a lot +/- were unemployed, self-employed, etc during that period, then the chances of getting RQ are higher. Some people have applied, then travelled after. When they went for the test, they got RQ.

There is a British citizen here who applied then went to England for a funeral. His PR card expired and I think he applied for a travel document or to renew his PR card. Next thing, he got an RQ. So no one knows for sure what CIC will do.

The best way is to fill out the forms as best you can and include the required documents. For "employment records" they don't specify what you need to submit, so I submitted the following:
a) recently signed employment letter
b) most recent paystub
c) copy of job description (this is to show that the job requires physical presence only)
d) T4 slips for the 4 years - I purposely sent my T4s because they list my addresses in those 4 years and match the ones in my application

I also included a copy of boarding passes for overseas trips and copy of the entry stamp when I first entered Canada. I am using pre-permanent resident time and if the date on initial entry does not match CIC's records, that is also another risk factor for RQ.

 

[Msafiri]

I have a question...

1. why do people who apply with more than 1095 days also get RQ. I have seen people with 1460 days getting RQ.

2. If you get RQ lot of people suggest withdraw the application and reply. I cannot understand what will change if we withdraw and reapply still there is no issue in residency completion dates. before one had 1460 days completed after a year he will again have 1460 +365 days = 1825

3. is citizenship given on other factors too other than residency obligation? lets say he or she has no criminal record. even cic checked background check at Sydney before transferring the file to local office. why still RQ is issued?

4. 90% of the case when applicant is not withdrawing the application he or she is replying the RQ with tons of proof then why CIC is getting burdened to read those pages.. when they receive huge pile of papers it is certain that it has some kind of proof or ties.. so why this is been requested as usually people response. only 10% who cannot response they just withdraw the application. Technically responding means case accepted but with delays...

1. You need to have both 1095 days and for these days to be provable. CIC developed a triage criteria for RQ issuance...the profile for the triage clearly shows what factors CIC took from reviewing residence fraud for both citizenship and pr card renewal applications. Whether in agreement or not fact is that its easier to be fraudulent with residence if you are self employed/ unemployed so this is CIC's number 1 red flag. CIC also issue RQs for quality assurance/ program integrity reasons.

2. Withdrawal is based on reason for RQ issuance...a significant number of people have applied with basic residence (less than 1095 days of physical presence). If this is the reason for RQ issuance then re-applying if you actually have 1095 days of provable physical presence makes sense. Add this to if you are in a fast Local Office then you may find the new application is processed faster than the initial application particularly if you had been referred to an oral hearing with the CJ.

3. If you meet the criteria and its provable you do then you will get to the oath. Until you oath CIC and the CJ can issue RQ.

4. You can send thousands of pages but its about quality more so than quantity - 26 pay stubs for the year for employment earnings in a job requiring your physical presence in Canada for most of the calendar week has more consideration by CIC than 4 years of monthly bank statements for a self employed IT consultant travelling to the ME, USA, EU etc every month in proving physical presence because how does CIC prove that its the consultant carrying out the 'Canadian' transactions on the statement. For all CIC know it could be consultant's spouse, brother, parent etc.

I think your queries deflect that RQ issuance is case specific and without knowing the details of each applicant and what the actual RQ trigger was you can easily result in generalizations.

 

[blueshirt]

Thanks Msafiri

what happens when an RQ is issued and responded before the test. Can a person still get another RQ at the time of post test and interview? Or is pre test RQ something full and final... after test the judge has everything to review or will he still ask another RQ?