Child permanent residence

[stevewbruce]

Just to say a big thankyou for all the advice given. I am now a permanent resident of Canada. Next mission - try to get a job in the mines

 

[frege]

Just to say a big thankyou for all the advice given. I am now a permanent resident of Canada. Next mission - try to get a job in the mines

Congratulations! Enjoy living in Canada.

 

[screech339]

By the way, your son will be a "second-class" citizen of Canada, thanks to our Tory government. He won't be able to pass on Canadian citizenship to his children born outside Canada the way your wife has (probably) passed hers on to him. This will be the case even if he lives in Canada for the rest of his life, but has a child while on vacation with the mother.

You can thanks the Canadian Lebanese that never step foot in Canada for generations and want Canada to bail them out when the war broke out only to move back when war was over. Don't blame the Tory government for changing the citizenship rules for this. They had to do something to stop the abuse of our citizenship laws. This is to prevent our citizenship from being pass on for generations without any contribution to Canada none whatsoever. That had to stop.

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[frege]

You can thanks the Canadian Lebanese that never step foot in Canada for generations and want Canada to bail them out when the war broke out only to move back when war was over. Don't blame the Tory government for changing the citizenship rules for this. They had to do something to stop the abuse of our citizenship laws. This is to prevent our citizenship from being pass on for generations without any contribution to Canada none whatsoever. That had to stop.

Screech339

No, I blame the Tories. They made the law. You can blame the Lebanese or any other particular group if you feel like it.

Any number of alternative schemes would have been possible and preferable.

 

[screech339]

No, I blame the Tories. They made the law. You can blame the Lebanese or any other particular group if you feel like it.

Any number of alternative schemes would have been possible and preferable.

If you have a better alternative to prevent our Canadian Citizenship from passed down for generations without having step foot in Canada at all, I be happy to hear it and ask our current government or future liberal or Ndp government to replace it.

Besides this automatic passing of Canadian citizenship through generations who have not set foot in Canada is a nonpartisan problem. It affects every Canadians/Permanent Residents that work hard to earn their Canadian citizenships.

Sure I can "blame" it on the one lebanese canadian on making the tory change the law. But the problem was that we for years was willing to overlook this flaw of passing canadian citizenship because the abuse of it was so small, canada was willing to suck it up. Until the lebanese canadians took advantage of this flaw and started asking us to bail them out at taxpayers expense, having no graditiude at all by complaining how poor they were accomodiated. That was the last straw.

Even the US has a rule about bailing out americans overseas. If americans stayed longer than 6 months out of US, they are on their own in bailing themselves out. If they want government's help, no problem, expect your expense bill for it in the mail.

So if you want the citizenship laws restored to the old law, sure, I'm for it so long we can take the american approach. Stayed outside Canada longer than 6 months? Sure we can help bail you out, but don't expect the taxpayers to pay for it.

Screech339

 

[screech339]

Without keeping the eternal passing of our citizesnhip in check, as easily as having generations of Canadian Lebaneses we bear witness to, we could have had a generation of Al-Qaeda Canadians hell bent on destroying our western values all without stepping a foot in Canada. Now imagine that.

 

[frege]

If you have a better alternative to prevent our Canadian Citizenship from passed down for generations without having step foot in Canada at all, I be happy to hear it and ask our current government or future liberal or Ndp government to replace it.

You're talking about people setting foot in Canada - but the 2009 citizenship law doesn't care if you've spent 99% of your life in Canada, only where you were born, if you want to pass your citizenship on. That's crazy.

I think it would be preferable to the current law to say that if a person is a Canadian citizen and has lived in Canada for at least one year, then they pass on their Canadian citizenship. There would need to be additional safeguards as well to ensure that we weren't creating any more Lost Canadians.

Since the OP's son is going to be growing up in Canada, it's nonsensical to deprive him of the right to pass on his citizenship as the Tories have done.

I'm not going to go into everything you have to say about Lebanese Canadians and Al-Qaeda because I don't think a discussion about that will be productive.

However, I'd appreciate it if you could post a link about the U.S. not providing free consular assistance to its citizens once they've been out of the country for six months. It sounds weird, so I'd like to see it in writing.

 

[screech339]

As the law stands now, it forces the 2nd generation to come back to Canada if they want to maintain their citizenship to pass on to their children. And beside, the PR child will be granted canadian ciitizenship once in Canada without the 3 year rule. So I think that is a good trade off.

Besides you said OP's son is going to be growing up on Canada so the issue of passing on canadian citizenship is moot point since son will have a choice of having children in Canada or not. At least he will know the consequences.

As for the US 6 month rule, if I dig around I may find it as I came across this during the debate on handling of Canadian Lebanese during the war. If I find it, I will glad to provide the link.

My two children are 2nd generation Canadians. Are you saying my two children are "second class" as you said as you presume to think they are. They are as Canadian as every Canadians in Canada or worldwide. OP's son is a Canadian not "second class" child.

Screech339

 

[frege]

As the law stands now, it forces the 2nd generation to come back to Canada if they want to maintain their citizenship to pass on to their children. And beside, the PR child will be granted canadian ciitizenship once in Canada without the 3 year rule. So I think that is a good trade off.

Besides you said OP's son is going to be growing up on Canada so the issue of passing on canadian citizenship is moot point since son will have a choice of having children in Canada or not. At least he will know the consequences.

It is not moot if he has a child while living abroad for any reason, even if he's grown up in Canada and lived here most of his life. He will know the consequences, but that doesn't mean it's fair.

As for the US 6 month rule, if I dig around I may find it as I came across this during the debate on handling of Canadian Lebanese during the war. If I find it, I will glad to provide the link.

Please do. Forgive me if I'm skeptical in the meantime.

My two children are 2nd generation Canadians. Are you saying my two children are "second class" as you said as you presume to think they are. They are as Canadian as every Canadians in Canada or worldwide. OP's son is a Canadian not "second class" child.

Unfortunately, your children do not have the same rights that you or I do. They can't pass their citizenship on the way we can. There's nothing they can do about it either. No matter how long they live in Canada, they will always be marked by the new Citizenship Act as a different category of citizen with fewer rights, as regards their children.

I wish things weren't this way, and that your children had the same rights we do. But they don't. This is what I meant by "second-class."

 

[screech339]

I am disappointed that you see 2nd Canadians as "second class" citizens. And besides if they were to have children abroad, that's fine by me as their children can get canadian citizenship when they land as PR in Canada with no 3 year wait. So if my child or any 2nd gen Canadian want to live abroad and want their child to have citizenship, they can bring them back to canada and settle. The children will get citizenship when they apply for citizenship and become 1st gen canadian and be able to pass their citizenship along like everyone else.

Screech339

 

[frege]

I am disappointed that you see 2nd Canadians as "second class" citizens.

Screech, if you're honest, you can see that the way I'm using the phrase refers not to who they are as people, but to the way they're treated by the legislation. My criticism isn't directed at them, it's directed at the legislation. I don't know how I can make it any clearer than that.

So there's no need to be "disappointed" that I "see" them as second-class citizens. If you wish, you can be "disappointed" that my opinion is that the government treats them as though they were second-class citizens.

 

[truesmile]

Should put up a poll . . .

I'm ALL FOR putting a stop to the "endless passing of the torch" a.k.a. citizenship. When those 2nd-class citizens have children they will most definitely have a choice. You wanna go on vacation while your 8 months pregnant and take that chance? Have at it! I can't imagine having to calculate %'s of life spent in Canada to determine some sort of "pass-along" criteria, and ONE YEAR?? Not nearly enough! Easy way to do it . . . "where were you born"? So simple it's perfect.

 

[frege]

Should put up a poll . . .

I'm ALL FOR putting a stop to the "endless passing of the torch" a.k.a. citizenship. When those 2nd-class citizens have children they will most definitely have a choice. You wanna go on vacation while your 8 months pregnant and take that chance? Have at it! I can't imagine having to calculate %'s of life spent in Canada to determine some sort of "pass-along" criteria, and ONE YEAR?? Not nearly enough! Easy way to do it . . . "where were you born"? So simple it's perfect.

I don't think the OP's son, or others in his position, should have to be concerned about where their children are born, just to satisfy some twisted notion that this legislation "protects the value of" Canadian citizenship. It may be simple, but so are a lot of bad things.

 

[keesio]

Should put up a poll . . .

I'm ALL FOR putting a stop to the "endless passing of the torch" a.k.a. citizenship. When those 2nd-class citizens have children they will most definitely have a choice. You wanna go on vacation while your 8 months pregnant and take that chance? Have at it! I can't imagine having to calculate %'s of life spent in Canada to determine some sort of "pass-along" criteria, and ONE YEAR?? Not nearly enough! Easy way to do it . . . "where were you born"? So simple it's perfect.

One year is waaaay too short. But i can live with 5 years.

I actually know a couple who came to Canada, then got citizenship as soon as they could and about a year later they were able to move to the US. They always said their end goal was to move to the US and Canadian citizenship was a way to get there (the classic "Canada is a stepping stone to the US" situation). And they also liked that if they had kids, they would be citizens even if they were not in Canada so that they have a way back in (health care, etc) even if they were born elsewhere. Basically lived in Canada citizens for a year. They couldn't name a single PM in Canadian history now (learned the minimum to pass the citizenship test then forgot it all) and they don't pay attention to Canada now at all.

Now 5 years... still a bit short but it does show some commitment and desire to live in Canada beyond the desire for a citizenship. And after that time, you do feel some identity as a Canadian. Even though I'm not a citizen, it was about after 5 years when I started to really identify myself as Canadian even though I was not. I'd say 5 years is good.

Now having to be citizen by birth? That is B.S.

 

[screech339]

Keeslo,

Unfortunately Canada is being treated as a stepping stone to the US. A lot of people immigrated to Canada for the sole purpose to going to the US as they cannot go to US directly. Too hard for them to immigrate to US from their home country so they take the next easy step. Canada.

I know a couple that came from Kuwait and wanted to move out of the middle east so that their female children have a better chance at life. They applied to all the european countries as they didn't care where as long as they were out of kuwait. They were denied in every one of them. Canada was the easiest to immigrate due to the points system. The point system is flawed as it gives points to university degrees that Canada don't even recognized its credential anyway. Thankfully the point system is replaced by a worker skills system. This will help make immigrating to Canada harder and take in needed skilled immigrants based on current work demands.

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