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PositiveEnergy

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Hi,
Does anyone have answer to this question please?
I am a Canadian and wife is pregnant and she lives outside of Canada and she is neither a PR or Canadian.
If she gives birth outside of Canada, does this mean my child is automatically a Canadian citizen?

Thanks in advance!
 

Kiva667

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No I was born in my home country but I immigrated to Canada and became a Canadian after living in Canada for years
The reason that I asked is because my own son was born outside of Canada. I acquired Canadian citizenship for him (I was born in Canada myself) but as I recall citizenship could not be passed by foreign-born citizens, and in fact was limited also depending on the age of the child born outside of Canada.
So you may be out of luck if your child is born abroad.

I recommend checking with a lawyer for current rules. They have been known to change.
 

PositiveEnergy

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https://www.cic.gc.ca/english/helpcentre/answer.asp?qnum=365&top=5

The answer is yes.. But, I think this rule is interrupted if your son himself has children... who will be born outside of Canada, at the second level for a naturalized child, the children will not have the choice of being born in Canada to be Canadian. I remember reading it.

My child is yet to be born and my wife is neither a permanent resident nor a Canadian citizen and she lives outside Canada.
For me, I came to Canada as a student and after years of living here, I became a Canadian citizen.
 

piotrqc

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My child is yet to be born and my wife is neither a permanent resident nor a Canadian citizen and she lives outside Canada.
For me, I came to Canada as a student and after years of living here, I became a Canadian citizen.
I understood your original message.

Did you open the link I posted? ... Your son will be Canadian, de jure. However, in the future, if he has children born outside of Canada, they will not be Canadian.

Here's what the page you didn't bother to open says:

I’m Canadian, but my child was born outside Canada. Are they Canadian?
Your child is likely a Canadian citizen if at least 1 parent (legal parent at birth [opens in a new tab] or biological parent)
  • was born in Canada, or
  • became a naturalized Canadian citizen before the child was born
 
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PositiveEnergy

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I understood your original message.

Did you open the link I posted? ... Your son will be Canadian, de jure. However, in the future, if he has children born outside of Canada, they will not be Canadian.

Here's what the page you didn't bother to open says:

I’m Canadian, but my child was born outside Canada. Are they Canadian?
Your child is likely a Canadian citizen if at least 1 parent (legal parent at birth [opens in a new tab] or biological parent)
  • was born in Canada, or
  • became a naturalized Canadian citizen before the child was born
Thank you Piotrqc. Yes I have seen this link before. This was really what I expected but upon speaking to a CIC agent over the phone last week, she said my unborn child won’t be Canadian citizen if born outside Canada. It’s so contradicting with what’s on the official website.

I was a bit hesitant to agree with her but she emphasized on it again so I decided to do further investigation that’s why I came here.
I am now thinking maybe she doesn’t know what was saying. I will try getting on phone with them again tomorrow. At least I will be able to talk to someone else
 

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Kiva667

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Good information. Back when I got citizenship for my son, they told me he could not pass it on to his future children if they were born outside Canada. And they wanted to make sure I was born in Canada. I even had to show my own birth certificate.

The consulate in question was very unfriendly and... it took a year and a half (!) to actually get my son's certificate of citizenship delivered to me. Seriously bad service.

And sorry to play the devil's advocate but I have seen incorrect information on Canadian government web sites before.

Good luck!
 

canuck78

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You dont need to talk with anyone in CIC...

Just ask directly for a citizenship certificate directly in the Canadian embassy on which the child depends. You are within your rights, you are not asking for alms, but a right.

Pay no attention to a racist or ignorant (or poorly trained) agent.

$75 fee, 14 month processing time right now, good luck.

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/canadian-citizenship/proof-citizenship/about.html
I assume that the agent misunderstood what eas being said or has had poor training which has been seen multiple times in the past. Always best to get a written answer via email from IRCC not a verbal answer. Speaking over the phone can also lead to misunderstandings from both sides.
 

canuck78

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Good information. Back when I got citizenship for my son, they told me he could not pass it on to his future children if they were born outside Canada. And they wanted to make sure I was born in Canada. I even had to show my own birth certificate.

The consulate in question was very unfriendly and... it took a year and a half (!) to actually get my son's certificate of citizenship delivered to me. Seriously bad service.

And sorry to play the devil's advocate but I have seen incorrect information on Canadian government web sites before.

Good luck!
It seems as though you were given correct information about your child not being able to pass on citizenship if their children were born abroad as well. Not sure why that is an issue. This is an argument for having children in Canada versus abroad if the mother has status already in Canada. Many are unaware of this requirement which is likely why the embassy informs Candians having children abroad. There are people who go to apply for their child’s Canadian citizenship only to discover that they don’t qualify. It is not something that the general public is aware of. Having to show your birth certificate is standard procedure for everyone. You can’t determine someone’s citizenship without seeing their documentation. It does take quite some time to get citizenship for children born abroad. A $75 fee doesn’t come close to covering the costs involved so not sure if you can complain about service like it is a restaurant. There are lots of people who have not had the best experience with IRCC immigration staff but the employees have to follow certain procedures like asking for documentation for most applications. The employees also endure a lot of abuse on a daily basis and are just doing their jobs and many things are out of their control.
 

Kiva667

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Yes, I'm aware of all that. A Canadian consulate is not a restaurant and I certainly treated the staff there with respect, but THEY were downright rude to me during the process. They seemed convinced that I - born and raised in Canada - was trying to pull some kind of scam.

I've found over my years of traveling that some Canadian embassies/ consulates treat travellers with dignity, and others seem determined to make inquisitive Canadian visitors go away.

to be precise: one of the most helpful embassies, Cuba

One of the worst, Peru

very nice but confused, Tunisia

But all are generalizations. Past performance does not indicate future results
 
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piotrqc

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It seems as though you were given correct information about your child not being able to pass on citizenship if their children were born abroad as well. Not sure why that is an issue. This is an argument for having children in Canada versus abroad if the mother has status already in Canada. Many are unaware of this requirement which is likely why the embassy informs Candians having children abroad. There are people who go to apply for their child’s Canadian citizenship only to discover that they don’t qualify. It is not something that the general public is aware of. Having to show your birth certificate is standard procedure for everyone. You can’t determine someone’s citizenship without seeing their documentation. It does take quite some time to get citizenship for children born abroad. A $75 fee doesn’t come close to covering the costs involved so not sure if you can complain about service like it is a restaurant. There are lots of people who have not had the best experience with IRCC immigration staff but the employees have to follow certain procedures like asking for documentation for most applications. The employees also endure a lot of abuse on a daily basis and are just doing their jobs and many things are out of their control.
Cic agents are not to be pitied, and they are not '' white as snow '' (I translated the proverb word by word from French, I don't know if it is said in English? ...It does that mean they have nothing to reproach themselves with?), there have been precedents or cases of systemic discriminatory and racist practices have been documented... One example among many others:

https://newcanadianmedia.ca/racism-bias-plaguing-canadas-immigration-processing-system/

https://www.immigration.ca/canada-admits-racism-in-its-immigration-system-vows-to-do-better-by-african-international-students/

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/1925267/racisme-immigration-canada-etudiants-etrangers-gouvernement


Not to mention, of course, the huge backlog they created by abusing the code 699, to take advantage of holidays with sales, at the expense of honest workers and tax payers, on the pretext of covid... ( Citizenship ceremonies in person are still not restarted on this date!!!!).

They are not blameless people with high values, not at all.


Ultimately, CIC officers are human like any other, and can make mistakes... And can even be subject to administrative corrective measures after investigation if a failure is detected, reprimand by the hierarchy, and even dismissal if a fault serious ... Not to mention that an agent can be rectified by name by a judge of the federal court, and that this judge annuls the decision of an agent, and refers the case for examination by a differently constituted panel (which means say = other agent).

My modest opinion is that we must take on peoples like the French, for example, who culturally are very grumbling, and complain and revolt constantly.


There are no second-class Canadians.

I encourage people who have received behaviors or services that lack quality, politeness, and dignity towards them, like the story described by our friend @Kiva667 , do not keep quiet, and report the incidents with the most details. ... To the local press, even the state press, which is very receptive to this kind of subject (CBC, and Radio-Canada for the French-speaking sanction ... There are specific forms to tell them a story ) .

It is a scandal that an embassy of OUR COUNTRY serves us differently because we are naturalized Canadians, or of ethnic origin other than Caucasian... We must denounce this as much as possible so that the racist agents think twice before making the same thing !

Canada is a civilized and democratic country, not an African or Eastern European banana republic: Diplomats and consular agents are at our service, with our tax money: They must provide us with services, and even consular protection in the event of a problem abroad!


, Piotr.