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Fair_Enough

Star Member
Oct 19, 2020
83
88
Bio is done. The profile got updated. No call, no GCMS , no webform. Waiting for the final decision.
CEC Inland
AOR - April 30
Medicals Passed - June 24
BIL - June 24 - Received call October 19 (Toronto/Midtown) - Appointment November 13
After Bio is done on Friday (profile got updated right away), I received a ghost update today and now my additional document part changed to "November 17, 2020, We are reviewing the additional documents you provided."

I was asked to pay an extra fee even though I applied on April 30. Then, I paid by providing a receipt. After a couple of weeks, CIC realized that it was a mistake and they sent me a letter and return my money back.

And now, after more than 4 months, they are saying that the additional document (receipt) is under review.

I was hoping to receive the COPR soon but having this update made me nervous about my application. Has anyone faced this before? Any idea?

Edit: It was N/A before the update.
 
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ee.cec1981

Member
Nov 4, 2020
12
5
42
Toronto
Category........
CEC
Job Offer........
Yes
AOR Received.
28-April-2020
Hi All,

I need help to understand below GCMS notes.
I have received GCMS notes. Below are the comments. Could you please help me to understand and advise if its concerning.

Assessments
Eligibility : Review Required
Security: Not started
Criminality : In Process
Medical : Passed
Info Sharing : Complete
-------------
Notes : 1
Label : EE Eligibility
Office : Centralized Intake Office
Text: A11.2- Case Processing Agent : Lock-in-date:2020-04-28--"***Name***"_EE CEC having analyzed this application based on the documents submitted by the applicant and the information contained in the file, I make the following recommendation.
----------------------A11.2
Review Required R87.1; CEC Minimum Requirements - Review Required Review Required for Duties on employment letter compared to NOC Website, Refer to EDOC: 374250501 Ready to Finalize RPRF : Complete
-----------------------------
Comprehensive Ranking System (CRS) CRS Score at Invitation to apply (ITA) 479 CRS points minimum score for round:467 CRS score at Application (APR) : 479 Total CRS Points Assessed : 429 /Verified CRS score : 429 I have reviewed the following for CRS points : Qualifying Job Offer : LMIA exempted under C12; Letter dated 2019-04-03 confirms employment offer of at least one year. eDOC#374250500 PA gained points as Married at ITA and APR PA gained points for 4 years Canadian Work Experience with "Company Name", edoc#374250137.
 

qzyqzy

Star Member
Apr 20, 2020
57
11
Hi @legalfalcon

The agent told me that eligibility is passed, criminality in progress, security not started. This is also what is no the GCMS note I ordered.

But you mentioned in another post that "If your security has not yet started, then your eligibility is not conclusively passed." Is there a differential eligibility stage? I am not sure why the system does not allow me to reply to you directly on that post. So I asked here.

Can you please explain it a bit?

Thanks!
 

aiqbal96

Star Member
Feb 25, 2020
133
57
Category........
CEC
NOC Code......
2174
AOR Received.
27-04-2020
Med's Done....
18-02-2020
Hi @legalfalcon

The agent told me that eligibility is passed, criminality in progress, security not started. This is also what is no the GCMS note I ordered.

But you mentioned in another post that "If your security has not yet started, then your eligibility is not conclusively passed." Is there a differential eligibility stage? I am not sure why the system does not allow me to reply to you directly on that post. So I asked here.

Can you please explain it a bit?

Thanks!
How did you even get a hold of an agent? When I call them and go through their automated system, after telling me my status that's on the gckey website the automated system tells me that it can't connect me to an agent and hangs up. What number are you calling?
 

hithere123

Hero Member
Jun 11, 2020
298
82
How did you even get a hold of an agent? When I call them and go through their automated system, after telling me my status that's on the gckey website the automated system tells me that it can't connect me to an agent and hangs up. What number are you calling?
after hearing automated status press 0 to speak to an agent. they are mostly busy. I kept trying and fourth time I got it
 
 

aiqbal96

Star Member
Feb 25, 2020
133
57
Category........
CEC
NOC Code......
2174
AOR Received.
27-04-2020
Med's Done....
18-02-2020
after hearing automated status press 0 to speak to an agent. they are mostly busy. I kept trying and fourth time I got it
Hmm weird. That's what I did. It tells me it can't connect to an agent after pressing 0. I have been trying since last Thursday.
 

brokenheart

Star Member
Jan 22, 2016
128
53
Frustrations on its peak. I got BOWP which will expire in April 2023 but the dilemma is if i will go outside Canada and if my PR will approve I can’t come back because all temporary statuses will be invalid. It doesn’t look like we will get the PR until next year. Who is in the same situation?
 

wyxbay224

Member
Apr 22, 2020
17
4
Frustrations on its peak. I got BOWP which will expire in April 2023 but the dilemma is if i will go outside Canada and if my PR will approve I can’t come back because all temporary statuses will be invalid. It doesn’t look like we will get the PR until next year. Who is in the same situation?
When did you apply the BOWP? my work permit will expire in March 2021. I didn't apply yet.
 

qzyqzy

Star Member
Apr 20, 2020
57
11
How did you even get a hold of an agent? When I call them and go through their automated system, after telling me my status that's on the gckey website the automated system tells me that it can't connect me to an agent and hangs up. What number are you calling?
You have to keep trying. After a few times you should be able to get in.
 
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NOC98

Champion Member
Mar 7, 2020
1,916
720
Category........
Other
people help me please :)

I submitted my webform request to ask about my eAPR status which is overdue (more than 6 months passed) on 7th Nov. More than 9 working days have passed. I have not received any automated response (but they said there is no automated response now) and I have also not received any response at all from IRCC.

What should I do? My job offer in Canada will expire with no response. :(

Please send help!!!
It’s taking 10 business days to get a response to a webform query.
 
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legalfalcon

VIP Member
Sep 21, 2015
19,011
9,875
Montréal, Quebec, Canada
Category........
FSW
Visa Office......
Ottawa
NOC Code......
4112
App. Filed.......
03-09-2015
Doc's Request.
01-10-2015
AOR Received.
03-09-2015
Med's Done....
17-08-2015
Passport Req..
05-04-2016
VISA ISSUED...
12-04-2016
LANDED..........
05-05-2016
Hi All,

I need help to understand below GCMS notes.
I have received GCMS notes. Below are the comments. Could you please help me to understand and advise if its concerning.

Assessments
Eligibility : Review Required
Security: Not started
Criminality : In Process
Medical : Passed
Info Sharing : Complete
-------------
Notes : 1
Label : EE Eligibility
Office : Centralized Intake Office
Text: A11.2- Case Processing Agent : Lock-in-date:2020-04-28--"***Name***"_EE CEC having analyzed this application based on the documents submitted by the applicant and the information contained in the file, I make the following recommendation.
----------------------A11.2
Review Required R87.1; CEC Minimum Requirements - Review Required Review Required for Duties on employment letter compared to NOC Website, Refer to EDOC: 374250501 Ready to Finalize RPRF : Complete
-----------------------------
Comprehensive Ranking System (CRS) CRS Score at Invitation to apply (ITA) 479 CRS points minimum score for round:467 CRS score at Application (APR) : 479 Total CRS Points Assessed : 429 /Verified CRS score : 429 I have reviewed the following for CRS points : Qualifying Job Offer : LMIA exempted under C12; Letter dated 2019-04-03 confirms employment offer of at least one year. eDOC#374250500 PA gained points as Married at ITA and APR PA gained points for 4 years Canadian Work Experience with "Company Name", edoc#374250137.
You have a RR for your employment reference letter.

Understanding “Review Required”

A lot of applicants see “review required” in their GCMS notes for eligibility. There are many theories floating around with regard to what “review required” means and if it is alarming.

Before I venture into explaining the significance, it is important to understand that each application goes through the following stages as per the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act and the regulations (Canadian Immigration Law):

R10 – Completeness Check
Criminality
Medicals
A11.2 – eligibility
Security

Out of the above, the most important stage is eligibility. This is also the most time-consuming stage because your documents have to be verified, evaluated and assessed to ascertain that you meet the eligibility criteria for the program you have applied (FSW / CEC / FTW). To stream line this process and make it easier for an immigration officer (decision making authority), all applications are first evaluated by case analysts or program assistants. They review the documents and summarize it in the GCMS. If they have any concerns with any document or want the immigration officer to carefully look into a specific document, they will flag it as “review required.” It is the content of the note that is important here. If the review required is for a specific document, while the summary of the note says that an applicant has met the eligibility, or “ready to finalize” it simply means that while the applicant has met the eligibility criteria, but the specific document needs a careful examination form the officer before promoting (eligibility pass) by the officer.

However, if there are concerns, they will be clearly mentioned in the note. If there is nothing specific and still you have a RR, then it merely indicates that the CPA or analyst is requesting the officer to review the documents once before finalising it.

The specific reasons would be that the job duties do not match, or the employment cannot be verified, or the number of years of work experience claimed cannot be verified. This is where an application can land in muddy waters. But the final decision rests on the immigration officer. He may override the decision of the analyst / assistant or go with the analysis of the analyst / assistant.

If you answered yes to a statutory question, about a prior visa refusal etc, you will have RR. This only indicates to verify if you have criminality or inadmissibility issues based on the refusal.

Even in cases where the analyst / assistant is of the opinion that the applicant has met the eligibility, and there is no “review required,” the officer can replace it with his own opinion. Though rare, but it does happen. This is why the eligibility is only passed when an officer conclusively marks the eligibility as passed.

Finally, there is “review required” for PoF. This is the most common in many applications. This is because, the financial and banking practices of each country are different. Eg. Fixed deposits are know as Certificate of Deposit (CD) in the US. Similarly, treasury bonds, mutual funds, stocks, and many other investment vehicles are there. If your PoF anything other than a bank deposit, it is more likely that it will be marked as “review required.” Also, IRCC does not go by day to day fluctuations in FOREX. Instead, the Canadian federal government issued a quarterly conversion rate for all FOREX vis-a-via CAD. If your PoF is in a foreign currency, then you may have “review required” for the officer to make a determination.

Just because you have “review required” does not mean that you hit the panic mode. Instead, read the context in which it is there. If there is a concern regarding a document, you can send a replacement document via CSE. The most common reasons for RR are:

1. Work reference letter without job duties
2. Work reference letters missing all the details requested by IRCC
3. If you submitted a letter from a colleague because you were unable to get one from your employer, but did not have a LoE on file, this too will lead to RR.
4. Not sufficient work experience in the primary NOC.
5. Inability to verify your employment as your employer details are missing.
6. Answering yes to statutory question.

There are just some of the scenarios.

Hope this helps.
 
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legalfalcon

VIP Member
Sep 21, 2015
19,011
9,875
Montréal, Quebec, Canada
Category........
FSW
Visa Office......
Ottawa
NOC Code......
4112
App. Filed.......
03-09-2015
Doc's Request.
01-10-2015
AOR Received.
03-09-2015
Med's Done....
17-08-2015
Passport Req..
05-04-2016
VISA ISSUED...
12-04-2016
LANDED..........
05-05-2016
Hi @legalfalcon

The agent told me that eligibility is passed, criminality in progress, security not started. This is also what is no the GCMS note I ordered.

But you mentioned in another post that "If your security has not yet started, then your eligibility is not conclusively passed." Is there a differential eligibility stage? I am not sure why the system does not allow me to reply to you directly on that post. So I asked here.

Can you please explain it a bit?

Thanks!

See #2,521


To know if your eligibility is conclusively passed not you will have to call IRCC and specifically ask for it or see your GCMS notes. For most applicants if the security in in progress, i.e. on page 2 if it is blank, then that is an indicator that the eligibility is conclusively passed.

However, in some cases, your eligibility may be conclusively passed and the security not yet started since not all applications are sent to CBSA / CSIS for security screening. Most are, but not all.

For most security is done within 3-7 weeks. If your security is blank then it means that it is either in progress or passed. Security screening details are always redacted in the GCMS notes and you will see s15 on the top right of the page where the security is. To read on s15 see https://bit.ly/3jvbiZO

To read on security screening and the security screening manual see https://bit.ly/3ouIwfG

Most applicants with have 2-4 security activities in there GCMS notes. See my previous post on this to compare yours #4,803
 

caipsnotes

Champion Member
Jan 10, 2020
2,496
1,059
Canada
Category........
FSW
Visa Office......
Buffalo, NY
Hi @legalfalcon

The agent told me that eligibility is passed, criminality in progress, security not started. This is also what is no the GCMS note I ordered.

But you mentioned in another post that "If your security has not yet started, then your eligibility is not conclusively passed." Is there a differential eligibility stage? I am not sure why the system does not allow me to reply to you directly on that post. So I asked here.

Can you please explain it a bit?

Thanks!
If security has not started then most likely Eligibility has not been conclusively passed by an officer.
 
 

caipsnotes

Champion Member
Jan 10, 2020
2,496
1,059
Canada
Category........
FSW
Visa Office......
Buffalo, NY
Hi All,

I need help to understand below GCMS notes.
I have received GCMS notes. Below are the comments. Could you please help me to understand and advise if its concerning.

Assessments
Eligibility : Review Required
Security: Not started
Criminality : In Process
Medical : Passed
Info Sharing : Complete
-------------
Notes : 1
Label : EE Eligibility
Office : Centralized Intake Office
Text: A11.2- Case Processing Agent : Lock-in-date:2020-04-28--"***Name***"_EE CEC having analyzed this application based on the documents submitted by the applicant and the information contained in the file, I make the following recommendation.
----------------------A11.2
Review Required R87.1; CEC Minimum Requirements - Review Required Review Required for Duties on employment letter compared to NOC Website, Refer to EDOC: 374250501 Ready to Finalize RPRF : Complete
-----------------------------
Comprehensive Ranking System (CRS) CRS Score at Invitation to apply (ITA) 479 CRS points minimum score for round:467 CRS score at Application (APR) : 479 Total CRS Points Assessed : 429 /Verified CRS score : 429 I have reviewed the following for CRS points : Qualifying Job Offer : LMIA exempted under C12; Letter dated 2019-04-03 confirms employment offer of at least one year. eDOC#374250500 PA gained points as Married at ITA and APR PA gained points for 4 years Canadian Work Experience with "Company Name", edoc#374250137.
This is the main takeaway from the notes

Review Required for Duties on employment letter compared to NOC Website
 

qaisrani

Newbie
Nov 5, 2020
9
3
Just checked. There is an update on my daughter's medical which says that you passed on November 16. Even though it was passed on 28th October as well. I believe it's a system's glitch.