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No. Including additional information and evidence in the application will not avoid complex processing.
Another excellent post. I agree with all of it, but especially the line I quote above.
If IRCC has concerns, that takes this back to the comment by @armoured: "If your file is so bad you need 250+ pages, you have a credibility problem." Indeed, if IRCC has concerns, meaning IRCC is questioning whether the PR's physical presence in Canada is less than the PR has declared in the application (in an application declaring RO compliance based on physical presence), there is clearly, at least to some extent, a credibility problem.

I did want to add the following observation.

Originally, I interpreted that quote to mean:

"If your situation is so bad that 250+ pages are necessary for your file, then you have a credibility problem with IRCC." - actually no one can think of a serious, non-contrived example of this. (So it's unproven at best, and I'd go as far as to argue that we can consider it untrue unless and until a counter example is found proving it.)

After lots of back and forth (likely because of my thick skill), I eventually realized that this is closer in meaning to what the author had intended:

"If you think you need 250+ pages, it's a possibility that you may end up creating a credibility problem for yourself with IRCC, and you'd almost certainly cause your application to get delayed even if no credibility issues arise." - which seems quite plausible. Also, we have a real life example of this posted to the forum, so perhaps we'll get an update that provides a data point on this.

But now you've come up with a third meaning:

"if IRCC has concerns, meaning IRCC is questioning whether the PR's physical presence in Canada is less than the PR has declared in the application (in an application declaring RO compliance based on physical presence), there is clearly, at least to some extent, a credibility problem."

In fact, although undoubtably correct, this is quite divorced from the original quote. Here's a hypothetical example,

Say CBSA/CBP records are somehow incomplete and an entry record is missing. However, the timing of that entry is important - if it happened the day the applicant said it did, then the applicant meets RO. But it's possible that the entry that's missing missing from the record say happened a couple months later, putting the applicant below RO.

I think it's reasonable that IRCC then asks the applicant for some proof of documentation of the trip (and applicant is able to provide a copy of a taxi receipt from that day or a copy of the bus ticket, etc). It's technically true that there is "a credibility problem" but it's not the applicant's fault, the issue lies with CBSA's own system for having an incomplete record.

Also, in this hypothetical example, this is at most one or two additional pages needed (upon request by IRCC) - nowhere near the 250 number that was an essential part of the original quote. (Although the earlier statement "Including additional information and evidence in the application will not avoid complex processing." addresses that bit quite well.)

I might just be being overly pedantic here, as your overall post agrees with the middle meaning (thus we're all aligned and in agreement) - I'm just observing that your statement affirming that "a credibility problem, at least to some extent" exists, may be affirming something slightly different than what the author of the quote originally intended.
 
Hi All,
I have a different situation and need some expert advice .. I was in USA when I got PR in 2021 July and moved to Canada in August 2024. I been working in USA and have been tarveling to and fro from canada to USA since Aug 2024. I have recently brought a home in 2025 .. and My original PR card was valid till Sep 2026 and unfortunetly I lost my PR card in Dec 2025 and applied for a new PR card and I got this below email where they are asking me to provide below documents along with ..

""you are being asked to provide proof of your compliance with the residency obligation for the period of 2021/07/02 up to the present day, as well as any humanitarian and compassionate considerations. Please submit the following documents:



q All passports and travel documents held by you, used to enter or leave Canada or other countries since 2021/07/02, whether valid or expired.

q A complete and detailed list of your absences from Canada since 2021/07/02.

q Record of Landing / Confirmation of Permanent Residence.

q Photo identification.

q Any documentary proof of your establishment and ties in Canada such as employment. This may include:

q Employment records (for example T-4’s, employment letters and other work records).

q Schooling/training records (for example reports cards, diplomas, awards).

q Social and community involvement (for example proof of any community involvement, volunteer duties).

q Medical records (for example proof of hospitalization, medical appointments).

q Home/family ties (for example rental and mortgage documents, whereabouts of family members).

q Supporting documents showing that there are compelling and compassionate factors in your personal circumstances that justify keeping your permanent resident status.

I am not sure how I can provide the any humanitarian and compassionate considerations along with
Supporting documents showing that there are compelling and compassionate factors in your personal circumstances that justify keeping your permanent resident status.


I really need help to reply to IRCC with above quetsions. Anyone has faced the similar issue.
 
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Hi All,
I have a different situation and need some expert advice .. I was in USA when I got PR in 2021 July and moved to Canada in August 2024. I been working in USA and have been tarveling to and fro from canada to USA since Aug 2024. I have recently brought a home in 2025 .. and My original PR card was valid till Sep 2026 and unfortunetly I lost my PR card in Dec 2025 and applied for a new PR card and I got this below email where they are asking me to provide below documents along with ..

""you are being asked to provide proof of your compliance with the residency obligation for the period of 2021/07/02 up to the present day, as well as any humanitarian and compassionate considerations. Please submit the following documents:



q All passports and travel documents held by you, used to enter or leave Canada or other countries since 2021/07/02, whether valid or expired.

q A complete and detailed list of your absences from Canada since 2021/07/02.

q Record of Landing / Confirmation of Permanent Residence.

q Photo identification.

q Any documentary proof of your establishment and ties in Canada such as employment. This may include:

q Employment records (for example T-4’s, employment letters and other work records).

q Schooling/training records (for example reports cards, diplomas, awards).

q Social and community involvement (for example proof of any community involvement, volunteer duties).

q Medical records (for example proof of hospitalization, medical appointments).

q Home/family ties (for example rental and mortgage documents, whereabouts of family members).

q Supporting documents showing that there are compelling and compassionate factors in your personal circumstances that justify keeping your permanent resident status.

I am not sure how I can provide the any humanitarian and compassionate considerations along with
Supporting documents showing that there are compelling and compassionate factors in your personal circumstances that justify keeping your permanent resident status.


I really need help to reply to IRCC with above quetsions. Anyone has faced the similar issue.
Please don't just ask the same question in multiple threads. It's the same people mostly reading and posting. Stick to your original thread - you got the advice there. If you need more advice - time to see a lawyer.
 
I am seeking your advice regarding my Canadian PR residency obligation and my planned permanent return to Canada.

I became a PR on 12 March 2023, and my PR card expires on 25 March 2028. Due mainly to overseas employment commitments, my physical presence in Canada so far is approximately 91 days:

  • 12 Mar–1 Apr 2023: 21 days
  • 16 Mar–12 Apr 2024: 28 days
  • 4 Apr–15 May 2026: 42 days
My circumstances have now changed. I have secured a permanent full-time job in Canada and plan to return on 15 September 2026 and reside in Canada continuously. My wife and child are also Canadian PRs and will be residing in Canada.

I understand that, based on my current day count, I may not be able to accumulate 730 days by my fifth PR anniversary in March 2028.

I would appreciate your advice on the following:

  1. What is the risk of a residency-obligation examination or Section 44 report when I enter Canada on 15 September 2026?
  2. If I am admitted without an adverse determination and remain continuously in Canada, can I subsequently meet/cure the residency obligation once I accumulate 730 days within the rolling five-year period?
  3. My PR card expires on 25 March 2028. If I remain in Canada, can I continue living and working as a PR after the card expires and apply for renewal once I have accumulated sufficient qualifying days?
  4. Would my permanent Canadian employment and my wife and child's establishment in Canada be relevant considerations if my residency obligation is examined?
  5. Most importantly, given my circumstances, would you recommend that I return to Canada as soon as possible and remain there continuously?
I would appreciate your assessment of the safest approach to protect my PR status before I travel.
 
I am seeking your advice regarding my Canadian PR residency obligation and my planned permanent return to Canada.

I became a PR on 12 March 2023, and my PR card expires on 25 March 2028. Due mainly to overseas employment commitments, my physical presence in Canada so far is approximately 91 days:

  • 12 Mar–1 Apr 2023: 21 days
  • 16 Mar–12 Apr 2024: 28 days
  • 4 Apr–15 May 2026: 42 days
My circumstances have now changed. I have secured a permanent full-time job in Canada and plan to return on 15 September 2026 and reside in Canada continuously. My wife and child are also Canadian PRs and will be residing in Canada.

I understand that, based on my current day count, I may not be able to accumulate 730 days by my fifth PR anniversary in March 2028.

I would appreciate your advice on the following:

  1. What is the risk of a residency-obligation examination or Section 44 report when I enter Canada on 15 September 2026?
  2. If I am admitted without an adverse determination and remain continuously in Canada, can I subsequently meet/cure the residency obligation once I accumulate 730 days within the rolling five-year period?
  3. My PR card expires on 25 March 2028. If I remain in Canada, can I continue living and working as a PR after the card expires and apply for renewal once I have accumulated sufficient qualifying days?
  4. Would my permanent Canadian employment and my wife and child's establishment in Canada be relevant considerations if my residency obligation is examined?
  5. Most importantly, given my circumstances, would you recommend that I return to Canada as soon as possible and remain there continuously?
I would appreciate your assessment of the safest approach to protect my PR status before I travel.
Easy stuff first:
2. Yes.
3. Yes.
5. Yes.

More difficult questions and to which answers are subjective or 'random':
1. It is a non-zero risk. If when you return you are only about 90 days short, I'd /guess/ the risk of being reported is on the lower side. Non-zero, but not high. Be prepared to at least give /some/ reasons why you did not return earlier - be brief if asked - and hopefully you'll just be waved through or given a verbal warning.

I'm not going to get into possible 'reasons' as to why you did not return earlier - I don't think it's all that useful, just tell the truth, even if the reasons are not the strongest (example of reasons are health, kids' schooling, work, economic uncertainty, delay getting this permanent job, whatever). I say this because I /think/ when the non-compliance is fairly low (as in your case), the specific reasons are less important than having /some/ reasons (if asked), and then the CBSA officer is fairly likely to decide it's not worth pursuing.

If warned: all the more reason to travel outside Canada as little as possible.

4. Your employment: may not help much, but certainly is not a negative - if asked, mention it, and that you are coming to stay. Child's establshment: YMMV, my guess is that not relevant (but if delay occurred due to child's reasons, can be relevant in that context).

Good luck.
 
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