Not denying that many governent often have some political reasons. The Venezuelan, Haiti, etc program was part of a compromise with the US and likely wouldn’t have existed without the US government. Bureaucrats at the IRCC wanted CUAET set a precedent that was very dangerous but assume pressure from our NATO partners, the large diaspora in Canada, etc. also had a lot to do with the program. In terms of the H&C program for Ukrainians there is also some hope that peace will happen so people can return home during the long processing period or that people will find other economic pathways while they wait.
H&C Humanitarian Ground with/or Without Failed refugee claim
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Not denying that many governent often have some political reasons. The Venezuelan, Haiti, etc program was part of a compromise with the US and likely wouldn’t have existed without the US government. Bureaucrats at the IRCC wanted CUAET set a precedent that was very dangerous but assume pressure from our NATO partners, the large diaspora in Canada, etc. also had a lot to do with the program. In terms of the H&C program for Ukrainians there is also some hope that peace will happen so people can return home during the long processing period or that people will find other economic pathways while they wait.
The government has never encouraged H&C applications or viewed it as a valid pathway for regularization or PR pathway for people who can’t qualify for other programs. It was also meant for rare exceptional cases. In general for decades Canada was very lax when it came to immigration, when it came to removing people, etc. Increasing the number of people entering Canada, geopolitical issues, the ease of global travel and very poor decision regarding immigration especially around 2019-23/4 just made the problems a lot more obvious.
As I just said yesterday there will likely be some big changes coming
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada...cle_30b16ff8-bf44-4222-9ef6-ab41b1e4e1da.html
Very tough to comment without knowing your whole immigration background and family profile. In general the advice is right. People should be using any time in Canada while in limbo or with status to gain work or education experience, get involved in their community, work in fields in need in Canada, etc. That will not only help your file but also may help you if you have to return home and want to attempt to come back to Canada.
What is the big changes coming!
When premiers push for more control of canada immigration.
It will not be a surprise to see policies to retain some temporary workers who are already contributing to canada economic by next year by given them work permit extension.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/globalnews.ca/news/11317700/canada-immigration-reform-premiers/amp/
https://immigration.ca/canadas-provinces-want-more-power-to-set-immigration-levels/
I can’t access your article, but I’m convinced it’s related to the latest demands from the opposition namely to stop temporary residents, especially foreign workers...
(I can still provide you with articles that explain the situation of educational institutions here and companies that are in very critical conditions due to the risks that such decisions could cause, but I invite you to do your own research. You’ll certainly find them, just as you found that one, if you search in a neutral and unbiased way.)
But this doesn’t explain anything relevant! We already know Poilievre’s position and his political rhetoric it’s either the carbon tax that has been abolished or immigration being led by the Liberals.
You also mentioned that the immigration programs for Haiti and Venezuela, etc., are caused by U.S. pressure, but on the other hand, you said yesterday that immigration should serve the state’s interest... So does a truly sovereign state have an interest in regularizing people already present, or in allowing itself to be influenced by other states, thereby complicating its immigration programs and laws?
I’d add that Canada has not been an easy and lax country for more than 10 years now... There was a time when Canada had easier immigration programs and less mass immigration, before the explosion of media and social work. But things changed drastically since 2014, 2015!
Also, you said that the Humanitarian and Compassionate program has never been a tool for regularization but rather a way to grant permanent residence in exceptional situations. But those exceptional situations are exactly the ones faced by people in very difficult circumstances who risk serious harm if returned from Canada. That is precisely the foundation of regularization not just in Canada but in other countries too! Regularization doesn’t mean granting permanent residence to just anyone, but to those who truly deserve it. Therefore, we can deduce that H&C was created by the legislator precisely to regularize people. The syllogism is quite simple:
Humanitarian and Compassionate consideration is a way to grant permanent residence to those in exceptional situations, based on the hardships they risk suffering.
Many people without permanent status, and without a way to obtain PR through economic programs, sponsorship, or asylum, risk hardships if they leave Canada.
Therefore, people without status who face real difficulties fall under what the legislator intended.
Exceptional certainly doesn’t mean only someone who comes from a remote village, who has lost their entire family, who has neither legs nor arms, who is deaf-mute and mentally ill... Otherwise, the admission rate wouldn’t have exceeded 10 or 20, while it has always been over 3,000 even before 2020.
Yes, I agree that the current socio-political and economic climate has made things more complicated, but even IRCC’s immigration strategies have caused serious harm.
I’d also add that you still haven’t answered all of my comments, and our discussion just keeps going in circles.
For you, refusing people automatically reduces the number of people present but that’s not really the case. To understand this, one has to be close enough to the daily realities of these people...
Imagine asking Ukranians who have been if Canada for more than 3 years to leave and wait from Ukraine because it's (a safe country now)... It's unreal
istic !
Agreed
Ukrainians that arrived in canada with 3 years work permit before march 2024..
They seeked for another 3 years work permit extension from IRCC and was approved ,deadline to submit application for another 3years work permit extended to March 2026.
May be in 2028 or 2029 won't be surprised to see policies allowing Ukrainians further stay in Canada.
Okay, but why don’t they just give them PR instead of handing out temporary work permits every time ?
https://archive.ph/acFou
Many of the proposed changes date back from Marc Miller days who was not able to implement his full plans. The change in the economy and public pressure is the bigger issue. IRCC has been aware of many problems for a long time. Politicians were the ones directing some of the insane policies.
In terms of the H&C program for Haiti, Venezuela, etc the program was part of the negotiation to close the loopholes of the SATC so it benefited Canada to close things like Roxham road. The closing of the loopholes benefited Canada not the US.
The issue is the definition of H&C circumstances may be different than mine and IRCCs. Having to return to your home country where your standard of living may not be the same is not H&C circumstances. There needs to be other elements to make it an H&C case. We do have an asylum system that should protect people from many of the things you are describing like many Ukrainians. If there is a peace in Ukraine there will be people who both want to go back or are from a region that haven’t been as impacted from the war and yes they will no longer have a guaranteed pathway to remain in Canada.
There is plenty of blame to go around including to all levels of government in Canada. That doesn’t change the fact that Canada is going to do what is best for Canada unfortunately. Some will be hurt in the process which is why I constantly tell people to think more strategically about immigration and have a plan B.
No, the original plan was to bring people here on temporary permits since these are processed pretty quickly and then transition them to PR via refugee and H and C pathways. No one expect people from war torn countries to return to their countries since eveyone understands that these countries remain fragile or fragmented for decades if not longer.
Exactly! These are things that are understood either by specialists in immigration law and international law, or only by people who come from recent immigrant backgrounds, and not by those who were born Canadian to parents and grandparents who were also born Canadian, who have never been close to the social dynamics of immigrants and the realities that exist in this world...
You are able to understand me because we both come from the same context, but others limit themselves to reading only what they want to read and believing that this is reality.
This was never the plan. The plan was originally for only a work permit with no support and that was one of the justification for the no cap on applications. Once people arrived it became clear that many would not be able to work, many couldn’t support themselves especially initially, etc. and would then need access to public healthcare, financial support, etc. Where is your proof that there was always going to be a PR pathway and CUAET was the initial step? The H&C PR pathway was announced 1.5 yrs after CUAET and is limited to those with a family member who is a Canadian citizen or PR so not all Ukrainians in Canada. That essentially rules out your argument that CUAET was always meant as a transition to PR program. The hope was that there would be peace in Ukraine much faster and at least some people would be able to return. Nobody predicted that this war last as long as it has. It is now more difficult to get asylum from Syria so yes there is some expectation that some people will return to Ukraine. People’s old lives and home regions have been impacted very differently depending on where you are from in Ukraine. Ukraine will also need people to rebuild their country. Until there is peace and depending on what peace looks like it is impossible to know what impacts it will have impact on Ukrainians longterm immigration prospects in Canada. Immigration is often not black or white.
Literally a child of an immigrant that fled a war and persecution. That was a very long time ago and Canada’s ability to absorb people was very different, immigration was coming mainly from one region of the world, Canada’s median age was young, no government financial or social supports existed so there wasn’t a huge costs associated with asylum & H&C programs, countries did reject people looking for safety from abroad, etc. Canada doesn’t have the ability to welcome everyone coming from wars so in cases where wars have ended Canada will have to make tough decisions whether to welcome the population living through a war or to prioritize some whose countries are now stable enough to return to. There are many other factors that are considered but also way too many conflicts. If for example there is peace in Ukraine but war in Sudan or Gaza for example who do you prioritize? Do you prioritize the Rohingya who have no home to return to since 2017? These are much more complex and difficult decisions to make given the volume of conflict and other geopolitical issues in the world and Canada’s limited ability to absorb non-economic or family sponsorship (spouse and dependent children). Would add that in Europe most countries have given Ukrainians temporary status with the hope they will eventually be able to return home.
According to the 2025 IRCC Minister Transition Binder the estimated processing time for new Humanitarian and Compassionate (H&C) applications ranges from 12 to 600 months.
For the Agri-Food Pilot, it is 228 months.
The Start-Up Visa program is 420 months.
The Caregiver program has an estimated processing time of 108 months for new applicants.
canada.ca/en/immigration...
canada.ca/en/immigration..
Statistics
nitarian & Compassionate &
: Pilot Programs and C
Wait Time
Wait Time
2024)
(Queue length for new applicants)
2025
(vs. 21
H&C (i
(13,75
Agrifood:
228 months
SUV: 420 months
EMPP: 54 months
Caregivers:
(15,875)
12-600 months
2025 Admissi
Federal Econo
108 months
For the Agri-Food Pilot, it is 228 months.
The Start-Up Visa program is 420 months.
The Caregiver program has an estimated processing time of 108 months for new applicants.
canada.ca/en/immigration...
canada.ca/en/immigration..
Statistics
nitarian & Compassionate &
: Pilot Programs and C
Wait Time
Wait Time
2024)
(Queue length for new applicants)
2025
(vs. 21
H&C (i
(13,75
Agrifood:
228 months
SUV: 420 months
EMPP: 54 months
Caregivers:
(15,875)
12-600 months
2025 Admissi
Federal Econo
108 months
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