The real issue is the target admission numbers are so small and do not coincide at all with number of applications in the inventory. To get over this issue IRCC is stating it will only process 13% of the general H and C inventory this year instead of increasing yearly quota. This is very bad stratergy and simply implies silent refusal by putting files in limbo for years.
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Exactly, but approval here most likely means obtaining permanent residence and not the AIP.
If you haven’t received your AIP, you are not logically concerned by the 13%, because you may receive it before the end of the year and get your permanent residence next year in 2026, and we hope that in 2026 the situation will change for the better.
Think IRCC is aware of this and they will attempt to remove people while H&C is in process (already happening), encourage others to abandon the process knowing how long it may take and likelihood of success, how long many will be out of status causing many major issues, discourage others from applying, etc.
IRCC doesn’t have the processing ability process large volumes of H&C cases on an annual basis and the last things they want to do is create an even longer backlog of AIP to PR applications. They will just slow down processing and appear to have already done so and CBSA is attempting to remove those who aren’t expected to have a decision in the near future. We are already seeing this.
I have already replied to you before on a similar comment you wrote… I repeat, the majority will not leave! Many prefer to live here even without legal status rather than return to their home countries. This is a reality, and the government has to take responsibility for its immigration decisions, the consequences of the image it has always wanted to promote around the world, and the chaos and disaster that once again come from its immigration laws, programs, and decisions, as well as from the socio-political and economic realities of our world. That said, if they don’t plan to regularize people and I’m not saying here to regularize everyone, but to regularize those who truly deserve it (and hopefully in the criteria for regularization they will insist on integration) it means they want to take advantage of these people. The government knows very well that many, if not most, prefer to live in the shadows here rather than return home, and this is a huge advantage for it having people who demand no rights, no protection, nothing, who only work in jobs that others refuse and only spend without expecting anything in return. The United States follows this logic, for example, although it cannot really be compared to Canada up to now, since their immigration history, ideological climate, and political realities are different
Given the attempted removal of anyone without status these days (even with valid asylum claims they get withdrawn), I’m not sure I would be suggesting that the US government and a large part of the US population values the work that those without status or even those with temporary status do in the US. They are also trying to cancel all of the TPSs. Canada will attempt to remove people in much larger numbers than they used to while in the past they mainly focused on those with criminal records. Canada actually doesn’t have to consider that many temporary residents thought they had a guaranteed pathway to PR, that parents were often counselled to apply for H&C if not selected for PGP and thought a supervisa was a permanent move to Canada, that other visitors could H&C when they didn’t qualify for other economic pathways, that people who were easily able to obtain a WP while in Canada starting under Fraser could qualify for PR, that failed asylum seekers would be able to get PR through H&C, etc. Unlike the US you are still entitled to due process in Canada at the moment and assume most will still be entitled to due process going forward. Immigration in most cases is selfish and countries put their interests first. People need to be prepared for this and consider other options which may include returning home temporarily to work towards qualifying for PR or just to return home. Some may be able to remain until they receive the result of their H&C and there will be some that get approved. The immigration targets and allocated quotas reinforce how the government in Canada views the current state of immigration and their plans. People can be in denial and think immigration in Canada is unfair but this is just the reality and why people need to think strategically and also need a plan B.
Who on earth will put target admission at 10K in 2025 and at 6.5K in 2026 when the number of applications in the inventory for public policy (Ukraine, Haiti, Sudan) is 60K and for general H and C 54K. IRCC should acknowledge the fact that these numbers were not properly planned and should be revised sooner than later. Otherwise, it will end up in tons of mandamus and JR applications and eventually 99% of applicants will not leave. Indeed, many can not be forced to leave because they come from war torn fragile countries.
see that you didn’t respond to the entirety of my comment, but I will do so for yours.
Regarding the United States, one has to distinguish between what the Trump administration did for populist purposes such as mass deportations, the cancellation of DACA, and the ending of temporary protections and the reality of everyday life. Yes, the stress faced by undocumented people increased under Trump, but that does not mean he was able to deport millions of people. Logistically, it was not feasible even if he wanted to, and on the other hand, the U.S. economy would have been heavily impacted by the departure of tens of millions of people who take jobs that others refuse and live without asking anything from the state.
On the other hand, the Canadian government is indeed trying to adopt a similar approach, but in a much softer way. Of course, a government that wants to win the trust of a population that is starting to get tired of (the massive arrival of immigrants) will certainly play tough for a while for example by increasing refusals of study and work permits, reducing the number of accepted applicants, and so on. But afterward, it will have two options: either face the reality of these people and completely review its immigration policies and decisions, taking into account that many of them (not all, but certainly many) deserve to be here and to be part of Canada, or simply leave them in limbo. Because, as I explained, they are a labor force that demands nothing: they are here, they work, they spend their money, they do not cause problems, they do not claim any rights, and they only want to stay. If only you knew the number of companies and employers providing undeclared jobs to undocumented migrants here in Canada (or even to those who came here as permanent residents the so-called skilled workers you prefer). And if only you knew that even MPs and local authorities are aware of them… They know about these employers who do not respect the law, but they choose to turn a blind eye and not sanction them, because they know this could cause economic disasters in many regions and municipalities.
You also mentioned that Canada never promised these people permanent residence, and that it is therefore legitimate to refuse or deport them. This requires a longer answer: in some cases, for example with temporary workers or international students, nobody can deny that the Canadian government literally advertised to attract them, telling them they would have every opportunity to stay afterward through post-graduate work permits, extra points in programs like Express Entry, and so on. That shows quite clearly how manipulative the government has been. On the other hand, it is true that some never had any promise of PR, but they still wanted to try their luck by demonstrating to this country one that claims to be a beacon of humanity and compassion the difficulties of their situations, such as asylum seekers or visitors with unique circumstances.
Now, the relevance of each case varies enormously depending on many factors, but that does not change the fact that we are dealing with a system that crushes people, where officers have very broad powers to refuse even a very strong application (as was my own case once) without really studying it, and they face no consequences because they act in the name of the Minister and as part of the department, which gives them significant immunity.
This brings us to another point: what does Canadian law say? Is immigration a right? The Canadian Charter, which applies in public law and therefore in all state interactions with the government, insists on the human dignity of every person, on the importance of justice and fairness for all, and this results in the regulation that says every applicant deserves fair consideration of their case (something IRCC does not apply)
Otherwise, is immigration itself a right? Is it a right to become a permanent resident? The answer is no but it is not a privilege either, because in a state governed by the rule of law there are no privileges.... Moreover, there is the notion of natural law, which can even go beyond written (positivist) law, and natural law emphasizes fundamental and universal values such as compassion, the integrity of the person, the right to life and security. And it is precisely this natural law that comes into play in our subject.
let me say once again that undocumented immigrants in Canada are not people who just arrived here three or four years ago. Many have been here since the 1990s and early 2000s and have not left the country despite the precariousness of their situationsjust to show you how many people categorically refuse to return to their countries of origin. These are things only those who are close to these social and political realities can truly understand.
Exactly, and based on this data, we might as well say that the apocalypse is approaching, the consequences will be disastrous if no administrative changes are implemented.
I'm just thinking about the PR programs for Sudan, Venezuela, Haiti, Ukraine, etc. Why did they create PR streams for them under H&C if they can apply for asylum and have a high chance of being accepted?
However, I haven’t found any argument for the Hong Kong program... I can only say that I’m speechless
You are absolutely right. The way that IRCC is lumping all public policies under H and C is ridiculous and will just create enormous hardship on many families with precarious status. I am also surprised there is public policy for Hong Kong. It is economically stable and peaceful country and not on ADR/TDR list. Not all people from these countries apply for asylum and some submit H and C application based on legal advice from lawyers. Advocacy organizations have urged government since long time to create PR pathway for people from these countries. It seems for me that IRCC likes to increase burden on the hugely strained H and C and refugee pathways by not creating specific pathway for people from ADR/TDR list countries.
How does CBSA do this? Do you mean remove their application altogether (without looking at it)?
I have asked the officer ones, it has been three years, do you have any updates that you can share with me? He said longer you wait better for you, use this time wisely. He also said I don’t know how that other departments works whatever I would tell you it would be a lie. What does it mean? I don’t understand what he means.
But Sudan Venezuela haiti Ukraine all had measures to stay in Canada.
With over 300k Ukrainians who arrived in canada with study permit or work permit with extensions in 2025, where some of them have received permanent residents status in canada under Ukraine special measures in province nominee program
Ukrainians was prioritised in the last manitoba pnp draw without cut off points over other Skilled workers in Manitoba even at the time when manitoba have limited pnp quotas .
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Skilled Worker in Manitoba
Citizens of Ukraine Selection
Profiles that declared meeting Skilled Worker in Manitoba pathway eligibility requirements and a principal applicant who is a citizen of Ukraine.
Number of Letters of Advice to Apply issued: 1,466
Skilled Worker Stream
In that case, we wonder whether the humanitarian consideration program has only been delayed because of applicants who simply submit an application without having anything truly special or unique in their situation, or rather by the government itself, which prioritizes through this unique program and the only clear pathway to regularization in Canada those who could immigrate through various other means, notably asylum programs or even provincial programs, as you just mentioned !
Probably both, but I blame the government more. On one hand, it complains about being overwhelmed, but on the other hand, it keeps making utopian ads and breaking its only real system of regularization for permanent residence. It does this by creating streams either for people who already have other ways to immigrate, or for strange cases like in 2020 or 2021, when IRCC created a special permanent residence pathway for public interest reasons for family members of the victims of the January 2020 Iranian plane crash. In the end, I don’t know what else to say but it’s just hypocrisy from this government who wants to show the world a fake image of being caring and compassionate, while it keeps neglecting those who are already living in its territory
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