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[HopelessBR]

The NOC 2021 will be published in early 2021 and will become the departmental standard for data collection and dissemination for occupations at Statistics Canada. Implementation dates for the new classification version will vary based on when programs, entities, organizations or individuals decide to use it. For example, Immigration, Refugee and Citizenship Canada (IRCC), in conjunction with ESDC, is aiming to adopt the revised NOC structure in spring 2022 for the management of temporary and permanent resident programs. These dates will be confirmed on IRCC websites closer to the date of implementation.

 

[FurioGiunta]

I am an engineer and haven't met a single engineer who didn't have an engineering degree. You cannot be employed anywhere in STEM without a (matching) STEM degree. And STEM does not include software or IT; I'm aware that software and IT people come from various backgrounds but it is not the case in STEM occupations.

So I'm saying that, for STEM people, their education already match their jobs.

STEM absolutely includes Software Engineering/IT. What do you think the T stands for lol

 

[HopelessBR]

https://www.statcan.gc.ca/eng/concepts/consult-noc/noc-correspondence-prelim

They literally released this on March and we all missed that.

 

[Deleted member 1050918]

STEM absolutely includes Software Engineering/IT. What do you think the T stands for lol

I didn't wanna say SEM lol nobody would understand. It's clear what I was trying to say. Doctors, scientists and engineers (not software engineers) won't get affected by any of these changes. CompSci and software people with actual computer engineering or software engineering degrees will also probably not be affected.

The way I understand it is that people who mix and match degrees or get tech jobs which are not related to their degrees will have more difficult time.

 

[Alysson]

It will not apply to post AOR - you are already selected lol

Yes, but you still need to pass eligibility. Who knows what these guys think. My eligibility is only passed by the agent. Mexico VO might take a while, because the country is opening and closing frequently.

 

[HopelessBR]

I hope these changes don’t apply to those post AOR. Most of my experience is a B level.

in the document it says IRCC plans to implement this changes in spring 2022, you are mostly safe, but I know how mind nerving this can be... because they do whatever they want

 

[NavjotS123]

holthe started streaming

 

[dankboi]

this nib saying yesterday's crs was too high

 

[Alysson]

I didn't wanna say SEM lol nobody would understand. It's clear what I was trying to say. Doctors, scientists and engineers (not software engineers) won't get affected by any of these changes. CompSci and software people with actual computer engineering or software engineering degrees will also probably not be affected.

I think I get what you mean. IT is more of a skill than a qualification. Employers will hire anyone who knows the skill, since it’s so in demand and qualifications tends to be an extra. My GF father in law works in the field for 10 years, now he is manager at a software’s quality and client experience department. He never cared for doing a bachelors, so if education in the work experience becomes relevant, than it would be an issue for someone like him.

 

[Deleted member 1050918]

I think I get what you mean. IT is more of a skill than a qualification. Employers will hire anyone who knows the skill, since it’s so in demand and qualifications tends to be an extra. My GF father in law works in the field for 10 years, now he is manager at a software’s quality and client experience department. He never cared for doing a bachelors, so if education in the work experience becomes relevant, than it would be an issue for someone like him.

Thanks, yeah that's what I mean. The new NOC suggests that IRCC will not only look for skill, as you said, but also a matching formal university education for skilled occupations. So if you're say a lawyer who practised python on the weekends and got employed as an AI Engineer, the whole NOC thing will get more difficult for you.

 

[arvind92]

I have 2 crs 488 and 467. SOP wont do anything neither your exp. College admissions are based on GPA and GPA alone. Apply to a bunch of universities and colleges, and see if you are able to secure an admit. You must start applying by end of this month with your TOEFL/IELTS score ready.

I think there is something called as indexing of universities as well.
I mean,i come from University of Mumbai where the guy who was second in university had an aggregate of 69%.
Then there are students from rural India who get 85% in engineering.

This is where all this will come into play I believe.

Lets see what will happen. Thank you for your insight.

I hate that i have to apply so early for something which will take place in September of next year..lol..I was quite busy in life right now and it kinda sucks.

 

[kloppity]

The common argument is that unless you go to a few top tier universities like UToronto or UBC, most canadian universities aren't that great, cost a LOT (compared to european universities), and pay in Canada doesn't justify paying that much for going to school there. Note that this isn't a situation where you're going to grad school because you want to go to grad school. This is specifically a way to game the shitty system because going to school in Canada is a guaranteed PR after, which is why it's called "buying a PR". I don't believe canadian education is worth the price tag, but the question is whether or not the PR is...

As to the first point, the 'greatness' of a university depends on your course of study, surely you'd know that. I myself have a stem background and I'd take a McGill or Guelph over UBC, UofT and most universities in Europe (outside of about 5 universities in Germany and the Netherlands and the top tier UK ones).

The fee argument I can understand, but then again the average fee to study in Canada is less than the UK and Australia, even for similarly ranked schools. If saving on tuition and board is the concern, they are better served pursing opportunities in Europe, but might need to learn a new language, less welcoming society, etc. I think people take the tradeoff and settle for Canada regardless as long as they can afford it.

The last one is interesting, like it or not, most students from the developing world make the international education journey with the long-term view of migrating. Outside of a very small percentage that do it because of a genuine reason to advance academically and return back home immediately, staying back features heavily on the minds of students allover the world. These countries know it too, hence the often 'enticing offer' is staying back after school to find work. Nothing about gaming the system there.

When I decided on grad school, asides from the possibility of funding and working on something that I was passionate about, the path to PR was a very important consideration knowing where I was coming from.

 

[dankboi]

CANADA OWES OUTLAND FSW'S NOTHING _ MARK HOLTHE

 

[NavjotS123]

CANADA OWES OUTLAND FSW'S NOTHING _ MARK HOLTHE

FSW LIVES MATTER

 

[HopelessBR]

omg, i can't with this Mark guy.....