Renunciation Timeline? Sent today.

[ONToomler]

I paid and sent my renunciation papers today (registered mail). Does anyone know how long this will take to receive the renunciation certificate? A ballpark guess?

Backstory:

I've been a Canadian citizen my whole life(born here)
My first request to change status

If anyone has experience with this process it will be greatly appreciated. Immigration workers too, the time line says 6 months on the site, I put URGENT on the papers witb an explanation.

Thanks so much!

 

[AllenKai]

Why though?

 

[ONToomler]

Why though?

I'm tired of getting treated like a bag of dirt everywhere. I'm going to be non-citizen or stateless until I can find an organization I support.

 

[Copingwithlife]

I'm tired of getting treated like a bag of dirt everywhere. I'm going to be non-citizen or stateless until I can find an organization I support.

It’s not like leaving a club and then trying to find a new club to join . You’ve got have another citizenship before renunciation

 

[ONToomler]

It’s not like leaving a club and then trying to find a new club to join . You’ve got have another citizenship before renunciation

It's exactly like a members club. If I have the right to be a citizen I have the right to be a non-citizen and I'm choosing that option.

It's like cancelling a costco membership.

 

[mrmrtn]

This sounds like you might be a victim of Sovereign Citizen scams. Be aware ONToomler, you cannot renunciate your citizenship without another.
It is an international crime for a country to leave someone stateless, and Canada will not grant you renunciation that way.

You don't have to believe me, reach out to an immigration lawyer.

I have the right to be a non-citizen

Partially correct. You have that right, so long as you're not trying to strip your only Citizenship.

 

[ONToomler]

I called immigration and spoke with the manager and they allow people to give up citizenship as long as they understand and aren't a security threat. They even said they grant stateless status in certain cases.

You just need to enclose a letter of intent if you're not becoming another citizen.

 

[armoured]

It's exactly like a members club. If I have the right to be a citizen I have the right to be a non-citizen and I'm choosing that option.

It's like cancelling a costco membership.

No, you are a citizen, and have rights as a citizen. Canada will not let you renounce unless you have another. By law.

 

[armoured]

I called immigration and spoke with the manager and they allow people to give up citizenship as long as they understand and aren't a security threat. They even said they grant stateless status in certain cases.

You just need to enclose a letter of intent if you're not becoming another citizen.

Not true.

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigratio...unce-canadian-citizenship-subsection-9-1.html

You have to prove you have another citizenship or will get it. And once you do, you have no status in Canada.

 

[mrmrtn]

I called immigration and spoke with the manager and they allow people to give up citizenship as long as they understand and aren't a security threat. They even said they grant stateless status in certain cases.

You just need to enclose a letter of intent if you're not becoming another citizen.

That's the first I'm hearing that. Are you sure you called the right place?
Besides, I feel like even if that might be potentially a thing, it would likely only apply to people who were forcefully brought into Canada (through human trafficking) or first nations, which is unlikely to be your case.

 

[ONToomler]

Yes right place I even got Ministerial correspondence. Hopefully it doesn't take 6 months, I can't imagine the renunciation office to be very busy.

 

[mrmrtn]

Welp, I wish you good luck!

 

[BOYX]

Yes right place I even got Ministerial correspondence. Hopefully it doesn't take 6 months, I can't imagine the renunciation office to be very busy.

What’s your end goal with this anyways?

If it’s to make a statement, it’s not like the Canadian government will care. Plus, given you are even allowed to renounce your citizenship in the first place, this would only hurt you; and boy, will it hurt you.

You won’t be able to get any jobs, any healthcare provisions nor will the majority of people be willing to offer you a house to rent. You won’t be able to access your bank accounts and you won’t be able to drive a car (legally). You will still face the force of Canadian law exactly as everyone else, except without access to any of the aforementioned rights.

The only way you can do any of the above is by registering yourself with the government which would be make your whole renunciation redundant. And boy will you have to wait a long time if you ever regret the decision - which you very likely will without access to any of above rights.

Nonetheless, this is your decision. It is very interesting however so do keep us posted on what ends up happening.

Good luck!

EDIT: By the way, I say this as something who experienced only a facet of statelessness in Canada during the past 3 years. Without any identification, I struggled immensely to get an identification (every place required an ID to get a bloody ID) and struggled horribly to even access my bank accounts. I can only imagine how life would be for someone who faces not only this facet of statelessness, but also every other equally horrifying facet of it. Once again, I wish you a lot of luck!

 

[scylla]

I paid and sent my renunciation papers today (registered mail). Does anyone know how long this will take to receive the renunciation certificate? A ballpark guess?

Backstory:

I've been a Canadian citizen my whole life(born here)
My first request to change status

If anyone has experience with this process it will be greatly appreciated. Immigration workers too, the time line says 6 months on the site, I put URGENT on the papers witb an explanation.

Thanks so much!

Everything is generally taking longer than the posted processing time right now due to COVID-19. I think you've done the most you can to expedite by marking it urgent. I would count on the process taking a few months at a minimum.

There are no immigration workers here. We are all normal people like you.

 

[scylla]

What’s your end goal with this anyways?

If it’s to make a statement, it’s not like the Canadian government will care. Plus, given you are even allowed to renounce your citizenship in the first place, this would only hurt you; and boy, will it hurt you.

You won’t be able to get any jobs, any healthcare provisions nor will the majority of people be willing to offer you a house to rent. You won’t be able to access your bank accounts and you won’t be able to drive a car (legally). You will still face the force of Canadian law exactly as everyone else, except without access to any of the aforementioned rights.

The only way you can do any of the above is by registering yourself with the government which would be make your whole renunciation redundant. And boy will you have to wait a long time if you ever regret the decision - which you very likely will without access to any of above rights.

Nonetheless, this is your decision. It is very interesting however so do keep us posted on what ends up happening.

Good luck!

EDIT: By the way, I say this as something who experienced only a facet of stateless in Canada during the past 3 years. Without any identification, I struggled immensely to get an identification (every place required an ID to get a bloody ID) and struggled horribly to even access my bank accounts. I can only imagine how life would be for someone who faces not only this facet of statelessness, but also every other equally horrifying facet of it. Once again, I wish you a lot of luck!

I think there may be one exception to the above which is individuals who are Status Indians.