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Ray of Hope - 119th Draw

Punitsingh

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Hi Everyone, my first post here after we created our EE profile in May.

Lots of posts were about trying to anticipate what the draw will be and a lot of people wondering why it was so high and whether it will come down or not.

So I looked into the whole draw format and the total number of profiles (as released on their Rounds of Invitation page) and here is what I feel is happening:

  1. Since 2018, there has been a move towards standardizing the number of profiles they are picking in each draw. It was 3750 and 3900 for most part of last year, and this year it is 3350. Across 24-draws (every 14-days), approximately 80,500 profiles will be picked based on 3350 draws each fortnight.
  2. There were two FST draws last year - in May and in September - and they obviously skew the total number of profiles picked. Will they compensate by picking more profiles in the subsequent draws - depends entirely on how many successful PRs their existing cases convert to
  3. Here's the Ray of Hope: As per the total number of profiles in the 451+ category, approximately 140 - 150 profiles are being added each day to the pool. That means, approximately 1900 to 2100 new profiles are entering the pool before each draw. However, 3350 are being removed from the top in each draw - so from the top, approximately 1250 more profiles are being removed from the existing pool
    1. In the data released on the 24th, 5350+ profiles were in the 451+ category, of which 3350 received an ITA - now, 2000 profiles of 451+ are remaining
    2. By June 6th (assuming profile creation rate remains at 140 to 150), another 2100 profiles will be added, taking the total 451+ profiles to 4100
    3. Out of those, 3350 will probably be picked again, leaving only 750 profiles above 451+ in the pool.
    4. By June 20th, another 2100 will be added to the pool (451+ total will be approximately 2900) and 3350 will be removed, which means that draw may drop to or below 450.
So I believe, here's the thing that everyone needs to focus on: more profiles are being sent ITAs than are being added to the pool every 14-days.

How many more ITAs are being issued? So far, the trend is 3350. Will they reduce it in the future? Depends on whether they are looking for only 451+ profiles but I don't believe they are. Why I don't believe so is because these 401-450, 451-600 and 601+ categories are only being created for statistical purposes and they don't have a real impact on the draw - which is only picking the top 3350 people irrespective of their CRS scores.

Here are some of the assumptions I have made:
  1. The number of 451+ profiles being added each day are 140 to 150. This can be more or less depending on many factors, including US political climate, college graduations, etc.
  2. The number of ITAs issued in each draw is 3350. This can change very easily (more or less)
The one thing everyone has to look forward to is that at every draw, approximately 1200 more profiles are being removed from the pool than those being added to it. Which means that as long as the trend of "more profiles being removed than added" remains true, the draw will keep dropping its CRS score.

I would recommend keeping an eye on the total profiles in the pool more than anything else. The moment the 451+ profiles comes below 2000 (following a draw), the cut-off will become more favourable for those below 451. That said, how low it will go is completely ambiguous as there are over 36,000 profiles in the 400 to 450 scores, so your guess is as good as mine.
I appreciate ur effort for the post but disagree with ur analysis that every day only 140-150 candidates wid 450+ are entering the pool
Actual data:
After May 1 draw 450+ candidates = 0
On 24th May 450+ = 5353
Per day addition = 5353/24= 223

How u calculated 140-150?
 
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Punitsingh

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But I know it is going to be
466 - 12th June
464 - 26th June
462 - 10th July
461 - 24th July
460 - 7th August
459 - 22nd August
PNP in September

people scoring above 460 and 460 are totally safe they just need to wait till July or August
Any data to support ur claim ?
 

SeniorStakes

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The idea of CIC is simple - Get good quality immigrants from any country, bring them to Canada and make Canada more populated and economically strong.

By good quality they mean:
  • Well Educated (ECA)
  • Good in English (IELTS)
  • Diversified Skilled (Work Exp)
  • Healthy (Medical)
  • Law abiding (PCC)

With a single cut-off, Canada will not receive enough immigrants as some skilled immigrants might not get enough CRS primarily due to age factor.
The Express Entry was introduced in 2015 and those skilled immigrants with 10+ years of industry experience might be in their early 30s at that time.
So there has to be some harmony between fresh faces and old ones, emerging skills and in-demand skills, blue collars and white collars, high scoring and low scoring .. and because of all these factors on-going fluctuating CRS cut-off comes into the picture.

The applicants sitting on the CRS score of 450 or more would definitely want CIC to pick them ASAP but applicants who are getting low score (430 or lesser) due to their age & despite scoring CLB9/10 in IELTS, have not fault of theirs.
As CIC is considering all applicants, the applicants sitting on high score should also consider the frustration and agony of fellow applicants sitting on low scores :)
You completely misunderstood and misinterpreted.

All you said - old new faces, education, law abiding etc. can be achieved by a single cut-off.

In fact, the current system is unfair to some and lucky for others. A candidate with 439 on 30 Jan got through but a 450 since 01 Feb is waiting. There could have been a single cut-off of 445 for non-PNP folks.
 

FromFebruary

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Mar 15, 2019
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NOC Code......
0422
AOR Received.
28-06-2019
Med's Done....
31-07-2019
I received my ECA report from WES today and just submitted my profile with a CRS of 467, so hoping to get an ITA in June!

Would like to join the list!
FromFebruary: 467
 

Jabya

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May 29, 2019
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But I know it is going to be
466 - 12th June
464 - 26th June
462 - 10th July
461 - 24th July
460 - 7th August
459 - 22nd August
PNP in September

people scoring above 460 and 460 are totally safe they just need to wait till July or August
I think draw will go below 455 again from July
 

sarak1812

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Any data to support ur claim ?
I calculated based on the trend from Feb 2019 where the rise was from 438 to 457 and the gap was of 4 weeks.
By May it reached to 450 in 5 draws.

Assuming daily 225 people with above 450 get added I think that the score will come down least to 459 even after 7 draws
This is just assumption .
 

royalking

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yea sad but true i would suggest please improve to score above 460 even 460 is fine
I am at 457 and already started working on it .
No my friend 37 years PhD for ielts I and my spouse has spend almost 90000 inr now its heights if God plan is different we can't do much ..... So let's what's happening, I will be having this score till may 2020 if 456 is not a good score let it be like that and also it shows there are more deserving people than me
 
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sarak1812

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No my friend 37 years PhD for ielts I and my spouse has spend almost 90000 inr now its heights if God plan is different we can't do much ..... So let's what's happening I will be having this score till may 2020 if 456 is not a good score let it be like that
ok then I really wish you get an ITA . I will pray for you
 
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sarak1812

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I think draw will go below 455 again from July
No look at the people entering with really high scores even people at 460 have to wait till august.
it would touch 460 in august and big reason to worry if below 460 or even at 460